Bored...throwing out a trade idea for the Yanks to land Doc

[teachervido]

The Mets would need to trade their three "studs" :lol: in order to obtain Mr. Holliday. Holt, Flores and Martinez.

 

[Brett Keith]

If I'm trading Roy friggin' Halladay, I'm asking for an absolute stud prospect, or a really good young big leaguer. Halladay is the Blue Jays, the Blue Jays are Halladay, so you need to get another "face of the franchise" type player back. A Montero, Stanton, or Heyward type of player.

I honestly don't even think one would do it. I believe it would take a ML pitcher and a stud prospect, or ML ready position player. That's why I only really see the Dodgers as a potential fit. Billingsley and Kemp is what I'd be asking for.

Sorry, I didn't make myself completely clear. I meant a deal would have to involve a player like that, not that one of those types alone would get it done. The only other type of deal I would consider would be a deal involving like five or six top 100-like prospects or quality young big leaguers. No filler, no guys with average upside.

 

[jdacunha]

Well I think an offer of Phil Hughes, Austin Jackson, Zach McAllister and ????? would be one of the better deals most teams could offer. Phil Hughes is an MLB talent, A Jax is batting .320+ in AAA, Zach McAllister is probably the 2nd best pitcher in the Eastern league (only behind Bumgarner). I would make this deal if I were the Jays.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Well I think an offer of Phil Hughes, Austin Jackson, Zach McAllister and ????? would be one of the better deals most teams could offer. Phil Hughes is an MLB talent, A Jax is batting .320+ in AAA, Zach McAllister is probably the 2nd best pitcher in the Eastern league (only behind Bumgarner). I would make this deal if I were the Jays.

When did Phil Hughes become a major league talent?

Remember, your configuring a trade for the best pitcher in the game.

 

[blitzerlover]

What do you think the Braves could get if they moved Vasquez?

 

[thegreathambino]

if the jays don't that trade.. i think that would be dumb.

Phil hughes has so much potential to be a #2 starter
Austin jackson can be a starting CF sooner than later
McCallister has maybe the most potential of any yankee pitchers

 

[jdacunha]

Well I think an offer of Phil Hughes, Austin Jackson, Zach McAllister and ????? would be one of the better deals most teams could offer. Phil Hughes is an MLB talent, A Jax is batting .320+ in AAA, Zach McAllister is probably the 2nd best pitcher in the Eastern league (only behind Bumgarner). I would make this deal if I were the Jays.

When did Phil Hughes become a major league talent?

Remember, your configuring a trade for the best pitcher in the game.

23 years old:
ERA: 4.20
IP 49.1
H 43
ER 23
HR 7
BB 18
SO 47 .
AVG .234
WHIP 1.24

If you take out his 1 horrible start (8 ERs in 1 IP vs. BALT) he would have an ERA of 2.74.

Hughes was the best starting pitching prospect in all of baseball 2 years ago. Just because he started off slowly does not mean he isn't good. Look at David Price. Be patient with these kids.

 

[Brett Keith]

Well I think an offer of Phil Hughes, Austin Jackson, Zach McAllister and ????? would be one of the better deals most teams could offer. Phil Hughes is an MLB talent, A Jax is batting .320+ in AAA, Zach McAllister is probably the 2nd best pitcher in the Eastern league (only behind Bumgarner). I would make this deal if I were the Jays.

Hughes is talented, but has had injury issues and hasn't been able to stick as a big league starter, right now he's a really good reliever. Jackson, I believe, has a sub-130 IsoP over the past two seasons and doesn't seem to really stand out in any area, he looks like a future "good" player. I like McAllister, he's underrated, but this deal doesn't get you Roy Halladay, nor should it. You may do this if you were the Jays, but you wouldn't if you were a Jays FAN. You're a Yankee fan pretending to be the Jays GM. We M'd fans will give you Bedard for this deal, maybe even something else, but you aint getting Halladay.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Well I think an offer of Phil Hughes, Austin Jackson, Zach McAllister and ????? would be one of the better deals most teams could offer. Phil Hughes is an MLB talent, A Jax is batting .320+ in AAA, Zach McAllister is probably the 2nd best pitcher in the Eastern league (only behind Bumgarner). I would make this deal if I were the Jays.

When did Phil Hughes become a major league talent?

Remember, your configuring a trade for the best pitcher in the game.

23 years old:
ERA: 4.20
IP 49.1
H 43
ER 23
HR 7
BB 18
SO 47 .
AVG .234
WHIP 1.24

If you take out his 1 horrible start (8 ERs in 1 IP vs. BALT) he would have an ERA of 2.74.

Hughes was the best starting pitching prospect in all of baseball 2 years ago. Just because he started off slowly does not mean he isn't good. Look at David Price. Be patient with these kids.

Best starter in baseball for an average reliever? No thanks.

 

[jdacunha]

Well I think an offer of Phil Hughes, Austin Jackson, Zach McAllister and ????? would be one of the better deals most teams could offer. Phil Hughes is an MLB talent, A Jax is batting .320+ in AAA, Zach McAllister is probably the 2nd best pitcher in the Eastern league (only behind Bumgarner). I would make this deal if I were the Jays.

Hughes is talented, but has had injury issues and hasn't been able to stick as a big league starter, right now he's a really good reliever. Jackson, I believe, has a sub-130 IsoP over the past two seasons and doesn't seem to really stand out in any area, he looks like a future "good" player. I like McAllister, he's underrated, but this deal doesn't get you Roy Halladay, nor should it. You may do this if you were the Jays, but you wouldn't if you were a Jays FAN. You're a Yankee fan pretending to be the Jays GM. We M'd fans will give you Bedard for this deal, maybe even something else, but you aint getting Halladay.

Right...I wouldn't give you that for Bedard. You think you are going to get more now for Bedard that the M's gave up for him? LOL

 

[jdacunha]

Well I think an offer of Phil Hughes, Austin Jackson, Zach McAllister and ????? would be one of the better deals most teams could offer. Phil Hughes is an MLB talent, A Jax is batting .320+ in AAA, Zach McAllister is probably the 2nd best pitcher in the Eastern league (only behind Bumgarner). I would make this deal if I were the Jays.

When did Phil Hughes become a major league talent?

Remember, your configuring a trade for the best pitcher in the game.

23 years old:
ERA: 4.20
IP 49.1
H 43
ER 23
HR 7
BB 18
SO 47 .
AVG .234
WHIP 1.24

If you take out his 1 horrible start (8 ERs in 1 IP vs. BALT) he would have an ERA of 2.74.

Hughes was the best starting pitching prospect in all of baseball 2 years ago. Just because he started off slowly does not mean he isn't good. Look at David Price. Be patient with these kids.

Best starter in baseball for an average reliever? No thanks.

So maybe David Price is a crappy starting pitcher...maybe the Jays can get Price for a bag of balls

Let these prospects grow and show what they can do.

 

[timryan111]

Well I think an offer of Phil Hughes, Austin Jackson, Zach McAllister and ????? would be one of the better deals most teams could offer. Phil Hughes is an MLB talent, A Jax is batting .320+ in AAA, Zach McAllister is probably the 2nd best pitcher in the Eastern league (only behind Bumgarner). I would make this deal if I were the Jays.

Hughes is talented, but has had injury issues and hasn't been able to stick as a big league starter, right now he's a really good reliever. Jackson, I believe, has a sub-130 IsoP over the past two seasons and doesn't seem to really stand out in any area, he looks like a future "good" player. I like McAllister, he's underrated, but this deal doesn't get you Roy Halladay, nor should it. You may do this if you were the Jays, but you wouldn't if you were a Jays FAN. You're a Yankee fan pretending to be the Jays GM. We M'd fans will give you Bedard for this deal, maybe even something else, but you aint getting Halladay.

Right...I wouldn't give you that for Bedard. You think you are going to get more now for Bedard that the M's gave up for him? LOL

Didn't the Mariners give up Adam Jones, Chris Tillman and 2 other players for Bedard? Not sure Jackson, Hughes and McAllister is more than that..

 

[braden]

Well I think an offer of Phil Hughes, Austin Jackson, Zach McAllister and ????? would be one of the better deals most teams could offer. Phil Hughes is an MLB talent, A Jax is batting .320+ in AAA, Zach McAllister is probably the 2nd best pitcher in the Eastern league (only behind Bumgarner). I would make this deal if I were the Jays.

When did Phil Hughes become a major league talent?

Remember, your configuring a trade for the best pitcher in the game.

23 years old:
ERA: 4.20
IP 49.1
H 43
ER 23
HR 7
BB 18
SO 47 .
AVG .234
WHIP 1.24

If you take out his 1 horrible start (8 ERs in 1 IP vs. BALT) he would have an ERA of 2.74.

Hughes was the best starting pitching prospect in all of baseball 2 years ago. Just because he started off slowly does not mean he isn't good. Look at David Price. Be patient with these kids.

Best starter in baseball for an average reliever? No thanks.

So maybe David Price is a crappy starting pitcher...maybe the Jays can get Price for a bag of balls

Let these prospects grow and show what they can do.

But again, you are theorizing a trade for the best pitcher in baseball. One who has proven he can pitch in the AL East. The Jays aren't going to let him go for the guys you wouldn't mind giving away. He won't be traded for a collection of # 3-5 prospects and a current reliever who may turn it around, regardless of potential.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Well I think an offer of Phil Hughes, Austin Jackson, Zach McAllister and ????? would be one of the better deals most teams could offer. Phil Hughes is an MLB talent, A Jax is batting .320+ in AAA, Zach McAllister is probably the 2nd best pitcher in the Eastern league (only behind Bumgarner). I would make this deal if I were the Jays.

When did Phil Hughes become a major league talent?

Remember, your configuring a trade for the best pitcher in the game.

23 years old:
ERA: 4.20
IP 49.1
H 43
ER 23
HR 7
BB 18
SO 47 .
AVG .234
WHIP 1.24

If you take out his 1 horrible start (8 ERs in 1 IP vs. BALT) he would have an ERA of 2.74.

Hughes was the best starting pitching prospect in all of baseball 2 years ago. Just because he started off slowly does not mean he isn't good. Look at David Price. Be patient with these kids.

Best starter in baseball for an average reliever? No thanks.

So maybe David Price is a crappy starting pitcher...maybe the Jays can get Price for a bag of balls

Let these prospects grow and show what they can do.

The problem is that your assuming they all reach their potential. The Jays are giving up a huge piece in your trade, and getting nothing that is a sure thing. They also need something that would produce right away or VERY soon because they are trading their fan favorite. Hughes is just not that.

The Yankees missed the boat when they refused to deal Hughes and Kennedy for Santana. Now they either need to hope he reaches what they thought he would or trade him for his new and significantly lowered value.

 

[Brett Keith]

Well I think an offer of Phil Hughes, Austin Jackson, Zach McAllister and ????? would be one of the better deals most teams could offer. Phil Hughes is an MLB talent, A Jax is batting .320+ in AAA, Zach McAllister is probably the 2nd best pitcher in the Eastern league (only behind Bumgarner). I would make this deal if I were the Jays.

Hughes is talented, but has had injury issues and hasn't been able to stick as a big league starter, right now he's a really good reliever. Jackson, I believe, has a sub-130 IsoP over the past two seasons and doesn't seem to really stand out in any area, he looks like a future "good" player. I like McAllister, he's underrated, but this deal doesn't get you Roy Halladay, nor should it. You may do this if you were the Jays, but you wouldn't if you were a Jays FAN. You're a Yankee fan pretending to be the Jays GM. We M'd fans will give you Bedard for this deal, maybe even something else, but you aint getting Halladay.

Right...I wouldn't give you that for Bedard. You think you are going to get more now for Bedard that the M's gave up for him? LOL

If you think that deal is more than Adam Jones, Chris Tillman, George Sherrill, Kam Mickolio, well, then you're showing your hand as a homer. To answer your question though, no, I don't expect to get more for Bedard than we gave up, I don't even expect to get a lesser deal like the one you're talking about giving for Halladay, I'm not delusional.

 

[jdacunha]

[quote="jdacunha":1263fd40]Well I think an offer of Phil Hughes, Austin Jackson, Zach McAllister and ????? would be one of the better deals most teams could offer. Phil Hughes is an MLB talent, A Jax is batting .320+ in AAA, Zach McAllister is probably the 2nd best pitcher in the Eastern league (only behind Bumgarner). I would make this deal if I were the Jays.

When did Phil Hughes become a major league talent?

Remember, your configuring a trade for the best pitcher in the game.

23 years old:
ERA: 4.20
IP 49.1
H 43
ER 23
HR 7
BB 18
SO 47 .
AVG .234
WHIP 1.24

If you take out his 1 horrible start (8 ERs in 1 IP vs. BALT) he would have an ERA of 2.74.

Hughes was the best starting pitching prospect in all of baseball 2 years ago. Just because he started off slowly does not mean he isn't good. Look at David Price. Be patient with these kids.

Best starter in baseball for an average reliever? No thanks.

So maybe David Price is a crappy starting pitcher...maybe the Jays can get Price for a bag of balls

Let these prospects grow and show what they can do.

The problem is that your assuming they all reach their potential. The Jays are giving up a huge piece in your trade, and getting nothing that is a sure thing. They also need something that would produce right away or VERY soon because they are trading their fan favorite. Hughes is just not that.

The Yankees missed the boat when they refused to deal Hughes and Kennedy for Santana. Now they either need to hope he reaches what they thought he would or trade him for his new and significantly lowered value.[/quote:1263fd40]

No prospect is a sure thing. Price and Wieters were considered sure things are are both struggling. You will never know with prospects.

Hughes has pitched well all year long, as a starter and a reliever. He went to the pen because the Yanks wanted to straighten out ****. So stop calling him a reliever! Was David Price a reliever when TB throw him there last year? No!

Everyone soured on him because he bombed in 30 some innings last year. He was consistantly dominate in every level. Hughes will be a #1-2 type starter give him time.

 

[shepsspot]

You are still not getting what I said earlier and what everyone is trying to tell you! If the Jays trade Doc they are going to want something proven in return for him, and if they are trading within there own division its going to take more than Hughes, and two prospects! You need to stop being a Yankees fan for one second and actually think before you post.

Shep

 

[trevordchi]

I hate the Yankees and would personally LOVE to see them over-pay for another 10 million + player but you would think Yankees fans would realize by now they haven't been very good since they started signing all these mercenaries. Their championship teams were built around home grown players.

 

[jdacunha]

You are still not getting what I said earlier and what everyone is trying to tell you! If the Jays trade Doc they are going to want something proven in return for him, and if they are trading within there own division its going to take more than Hughes, and two prospects! You need to stop being a Yankees fan for one second and actually think before you post.

Shep

WHO Will the Jays get that is PROVEN? Kershaw? Billingsley? No and No. The Dodgers wouldn't deal them. If they are proven and cost nothing why trade them?

You are going to get very good potential and that is it.

 

[jdacunha]

I hate the Yankees and would personally LOVE to see them over-pay for another 10 million + player but you would think Yankees fans would realize by now they haven't been very good since they started signing all these mercenaries. Their championship teams were built around home grown players.

The Yankees have home grown talent on there roster now than in any championship year.

Joba, Coke, Hughes, Rivera, Robertson, Cervelli, Posada, Cano, Jeter, Melky, Gardner, ****

thats 12 of 25 players.