Can I do this here??? CHALLENGE TO ALL.

[sportscardtheory]

Sorry. I didn't realize that helping someone else, no matter the cause, was beneath you. My apologies.

I never once said it was not good to give to a cause, or even the cause I was commenting on... I merely stated that we wouldn't have to if our government took care of their business. THAT'S IT.

 

[tonyrios]

If we fall into the altruism and do this, why would the government ever find a need to support the troops more fiscally? Instead of doing this, get people to sign a petition to have the government give more support to the troops. If this is something that really gets to you, then do something more about it than post on a baseball card forum or donating ten dollars.
If you never give a baby a reason to walk, it'll just keep crawling.

 

[sportscardtheory]

If we fall into the altruism and do this, why would the government ever find a need to support the troops more fiscally? Instead of doing this, get people to sign a petition to have the government give more support to the troops. If this is something that really gets to you, then do something more about it than post on a baseball card forum or donating ten dollars.
If you never give a baby a reason to walk, it'll just keep crawling.

Post thanked...

 

[Pete14Rose]

Sorry. I didn't realize that helping someone else, no matter the cause, was beneath you. My apologies.

I never once said it was not good to give to a cause, or even the cause I was commenting on... I merely stated that we wouldn't have to if our government took care of their business. THAT' IT.

"..of the people, by the people, for the people..."

Dont rely of your government for everything. You'll be disappointed every time.

There are those that rely of others, including the government, to help a stranger, a neighbor, a soldier..etc They point fingers and play the blame game. And then there are those who just do it themselves...do what they can to help a situation. Whether it's donating to St. Judes, donating a few bucks a year to a veteran's foundation, donating a few cans of food to your local food drive, dropping off clothes at your local GoodWill or sending care packages to our active soldiers....it's all for the right reasons and all towards helping someone out who may be less fortunate than yourself. It's call having a heart. Try it sometime, you actually might like it.


No one says you have to. But it would be appreciated if you didn't come onto a thread that is about good will and start posting your negative opinions on what our government should or should not be doing.


It's the Holiday Season....try spreading some cheer. Or am I a tool and a ****** for being nice?

 

[tonyrios]

Sorry. I didn't realize that helping someone else, no matter the cause, was beneath you. My apologies.

I never once said it was not good to give to a cause, or even the cause I was commenting on... I merely stated that we wouldn't have to if our government took care of their business. THAT' IT.

"..of the people, by the people, for the people..."

Dont rely of your government for everything. You'll be disappointed every time.

That quote means that the people are the government, sovereignty lies within you. If this were a monarchy and we couldn't bring up our issues with the leader, it'd make sense to slip petty dollars under the door to our soldiers who are in need. But you all have the ability to call a Senators office or write to a local government leader. If you made ten dollars worth of phone calls, your effort would be infinitely greater.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Sorry. I didn't realize that helping someone else, no matter the cause, was beneath you. My apologies.

I never once said it was not good to give to a cause, or even the cause I was commenting on... I merely stated that we wouldn't have to if our government took care of their business. THAT' IT.

"..of the people, by the people, for the people..."

Dont rely of your government for everything. You'll be disappointed every time.

There are those that rely of others, including the government, to help a stranger, a neighbor, a soldier..etc They point fingers and play the blame game. And then there are those who just do it themselves...do what they can to help a situation. Whether it's donating to St. Judes, donating a few bucks a year to a veteran's foundation, donating a few cans of food to your local food drive, dropping off clothes at your local GoodWill or sending care packages to our active soldiers....it's all for the right reasons and all towards helping someone out who may be less fortunate than yourself. It's call having a heart. Try it sometime, you actually might like it.


No one says you have to. But it would be appreciated if you didn't come onto a thread that is about good will and start posting your negative opinions on what our government should or should not be doing.


It's the Holiday Season....try spreading some cheer. Or am I a tool and a ****** for being nice?

I'm sorry, but no. I am not a sheep when it comes to our government... and I never will be. I just wish I could have made a well thought out and poignant a post as tonyrios. You my friend can give as much as you like to causes that don't even have to exist, but to fault someone for having a opposing opinion about their validity is absurd. I am allowed to post my opinions here, and I will. It's people like you that get into government and fill it with censorship and tyranny and expect the "people" to bail themselves out of all the messes you create while you and yours get fat wallets. I don't think pointing out our government's failures in any way makes me unpatriotic or a bad person. Maybe if you could just listen to other's opinions without calling them "big mouths", they would not call you such things...

 

[Pete14Rose]

Sorry. I didn't realize that helping someone else, no matter the cause, was beneath you. My apologies.

I never once said it was not good to give to a cause, or even the cause I was commenting on... I merely stated that we wouldn't have to if our government took care of their business. THAT' IT.

"..of the people, by the people, for the people..."

Dont rely of your government for everything. You'll be disappointed every time.

That quote means that the people are the government, sovereignty lies within you. If this were a monarchy and we couldn't bring up our issues with the leader, it'd make sense to slip petty dollars under the door to our soldiers who are in need. But you all have the ability to call a Senators office or write to a local government leader. If you made ten dollars worth of phone calls, your effort would be infinitely greater.

I know exactly what the quote means. It was used more as an analogy. Let's not nitpick on words here. My point was clear. If we all we to took a few seconds out of our lives to do one small thing to help someone less fortunate....we might...no guarantee....but just might see a change for the better.

Or should I use this board as an analogy? How about when a collector with very limited funds receives a very nice card from a higher end collector for nothing...just a random gift? It's the same principle.

Or would you like me to call it the trickle down effect?


However you look at it...my point stands. The power of the people, collectively, can do more than any government could. I believe that. You may not. That's fine.

Or we could just all continue to live in a society were greed and selfishness reign supreme.

 

[tonyrios]

Sorry. I didn't realize that helping someone else, no matter the cause, was beneath you. My apologies.

I never once said it was not good to give to a cause, or even the cause I was commenting on... I merely stated that we wouldn't have to if our government took care of their business. THAT' IT.

"..of the people, by the people, for the people..."

Dont rely of your government for everything. You'll be disappointed every time.

That quote means that the people are the government, sovereignty lies within you. If this were a monarchy and we couldn't bring up our issues with the leader, it'd make sense to slip petty dollars under the door to our soldiers who are in need. But you all have the ability to call a Senators office or write to a local government leader. If you made ten dollars worth of phone calls, your effort would be infinitely greater.

I know exactly what the quote means. It was used more as an analogy. Let's not nitpick on words here. My point was clear. If we all we to took a few seconds out of our lives to do one small thing to help someone less fortunate....we might...no guarantee....but just might see a change for the better.

Or should I use this board as an analogy? How about when a collector with very limited funds receives a very nice card from a higher end collector for nothing...just a random gift? It's the same principle.

Or would you like me to call it the trickle down effect?


However you look at it...my point stands. The power of the people, collectively, can do more than any government could. I believe that. You may not. That's fine.

Or we could just all continue to live in a society were greed and selfishness reign supreme.

I'm not being nitpicky. I really think that you just look for reasons to get disgruntled in things that people say on here.
I believe in the power of the people more than anything, and that is why I think that if the people contacted officials on a matter like this, the impact could be huge. Even people without money could do this, as to your analogy of the forum, not everyone can offer a free item to another member.
We do not live in a society where greed and selfishness are supreme, but in days when an economy is flailing and people are losing retirement funds, people might have no pocket money at all.
Best,
Tony

 

[Pete14Rose]

Sorry. I didn't realize that helping someone else, no matter the cause, was beneath you. My apologies.

I never once said it was not good to give to a cause, or even the cause I was commenting on... I merely stated that we wouldn't have to if our government took care of their business. THAT' IT.

"..of the people, by the people, for the people..."

Dont rely of your government for everything. You'll be disappointed every time.

There are those that rely of others, including the government, to help a stranger, a neighbor, a soldier..etc They point fingers and play the blame game. And then there are those who just do it themselves...do what they can to help a situation. Whether it's donating to St. Judes, donating a few bucks a year to a veteran's foundation, donating a few cans of food to your local food drive, dropping off clothes at your local GoodWill or sending care packages to our active soldiers....it's all for the right reasons and all towards helping someone out who may be less fortunate than yourself. It's call having a heart. Try it sometime, you actually might like it.


No one says you have to. But it would be appreciated if you didn't come onto a thread that is about good will and start posting your negative opinions on what our government should or should not be doing.


It's the Holiday Season....try spreading some cheer. Or am I a tool and a ****** for being nice?

I'm sorry, but no. I am not a sheep when it comes to our government... and I never will be. I just wish I could have made a well thought out and poignant a post as tonyrios. You my friend can give as much as you like to causes that don't even have to exist, but to fault someone for having a opposing opinion about their validity is absurd. I am allowed to post my opinions here, and I will. It's people like you that get into government and fill it with censorship and tyranny and expect the "people" to bail themselves out of all the messes you create while you and yours get fat wallets. I don't think pointing out our government's failures in any way makes me unpatriotic or a bad person. Maybe if you could just listen to other's opinions without calling them "big mouths", they would not call you such things...

Wow. It's kind of fun to watch how you comprehend what someone types. Never did I call you a "Big mouth". I said, and I quote..."Do you ever actually think before opening your mouth?" Huge difference my friend.

And further more....How on God's green earth did you come to the conclusion that I am a tyrant who expects people to bail themselves out while I sit and fatten my wallet? Your words. How does my donating to charities or sending care packages to soldiers even remotely give you that absurd opinion of me? lol Sorry, but I really had to laugh at that one.

Just wow. lol

 

[tonyrios]

Sorry. I didn't realize that helping someone else, no matter the cause, was beneath you. My apologies.

I never once said it was not good to give to a cause, or even the cause I was commenting on... I merely stated that we wouldn't have to if our government took care of their business. THAT' IT.

"..of the people, by the people, for the people..."

Dont rely of your government for everything. You'll be disappointed every time.

There are those that rely of others, including the government, to help a stranger, a neighbor, a soldier..etc They point fingers and play the blame game. And then there are those who just do it themselves...do what they can to help a situation. Whether it's donating to St. Judes, donating a few bucks a year to a veteran's foundation, donating a few cans of food to your local food drive, dropping off clothes at your local GoodWill or sending care packages to our active soldiers....it's all for the right reasons and all towards helping someone out who may be less fortunate than yourself. It's call having a heart. Try it sometime, you actually might like it.


No one says you have to. But it would be appreciated if you didn't come onto a thread that is about good will and start posting your negative opinions on what our government should or should not be doing.


It's the Holiday Season....try spreading some cheer. Or am I a tool and a ****** for being nice?

I'm sorry, but no. I am not a sheep when it comes to our government... and I never will be. I just wish I could have made a well thought out and poignant a post as tonyrios. You my friend can give as much as you like to causes that don't even have to exist, but to fault someone for having a opposing opinion about their validity is absurd. I am allowed to post my opinions here, and I will. It's people like you that get into government and fill it with censorship and tyranny and expect the "people" to bail themselves out of all the messes you create while you and yours get fat wallets. I don't think pointing out our government's failures in any way makes me unpatriotic or a bad person. Maybe if you could just listen to other's opinions without calling them "big mouths", they would not call you such things...

Wow. It's kind of fun to watch how you comprehend what someone types. Never did I call you a "Big mouth". I said, and I quote..."Do you ever actually think before opening your mouth?" Huge difference my friend.

And further more....How on God's green earth did you come to the conclusion that I am a tyrant who expects people to bail themselves out while I sit and fatten my wallet? Your words. How does my donating to charities or sending care packages to soldiers even remotely give you that absurd opinion of me? lol Sorry, but I really had to laugh at that one.

Just wow. lol

You're a filthy tyrant! :lol:

 

[sportscardtheory]

I'm sorry, but no. I am not a sheep when it comes to our government... and I never will be. I just wish I could have made a well thought out and poignant a post as tonyrios. You my friend can give as much as you like to causes that don't even have to exist, but to fault someone for having a opposing opinion about their validity is absurd. I am allowed to post my opinions here, and I will. It's people like you that get into government and fill it with censorship and tyranny and expect the "people" to bail themselves out of all the messes you create while you and yours get fat wallets. I don't think pointing out our government's failures in any way makes me unpatriotic or a bad person. Maybe if you could just listen to other's opinions without calling them "big mouths", they would not call you such things...

Wow. It's kind of fun to watch how you comprehend what someone types. Never did I call you a "Big mouth". I said, and I quote..."Do you ever actually think before opening your mouth?" Huge difference my friend.

And further more....How on God's green earth did you come to the conclusion that I am a tyrant who expects people to bail themselves out while I sit and fatten my wallet? Your words. How does my donating to charities or sending care packages to soldiers even remotely give you that absurd opinion of me? lol Sorry, but I really had to laugh at that one.

Just wow. lol

Well I'm sorry, I agree the "fat wallets" comment was a little off base... but the rest still stands. You came at me trying to censor my opinions, that is what I was referencing.

 

[lordsepic]

Not to hickjack this thread but there are lots of ways to support the troops. My son just organized a school project of sending "stuff" to the troops. His school gathered candy, snacks, books/mags (clean of course), toiletries, cards, stationery, etc....and they are sending this out tomorrow. It helps that my brother-in-law is in Baghdad and we have a connection to send things to but I bet everyone knows of someone who could use a "taste of home."

Also, read about Curt Schillings recent visit to the tropps here:

http://38pitches.weei.com/general/uso-t ... /#more-238

He actually spent some time with my brother-in-law

I would rather have a midget puke in my mouth than read Schillings awful blog... With that said I'll donate soon

 

[Pete14Rose]

[quote="Pete14Rose":1uc72qvb]


Sorry. I didn't realize that helping someone else, no matter the cause, was beneath you. My apologies.

I never once said it was not good to give to a cause, or even the cause I was commenting on... I merely stated that we wouldn't have to if our government took care of their business. THAT' IT.

"..of the people, by the people, for the people..."

Dont rely of your government for everything. You'll be disappointed every time.

That quote means that the people are the government, sovereignty lies within you. If this were a monarchy and we couldn't bring up our issues with the leader, it'd make sense to slip petty dollars under the door to our soldiers who are in need. But you all have the ability to call a Senators office or write to a local government leader. If you made ten dollars worth of phone calls, your effort would be infinitely greater.

I know exactly what the quote means. It was used more as an analogy. Let's not nitpick on words here. My point was clear. If we all we to took a few seconds out of our lives to do one small thing to help someone less fortunate....we might...no guarantee....but just might see a change for the better.

Or should I use this board as an analogy? How about when a collector with very limited funds receives a very nice card from a higher end collector for nothing...just a random gift? It's the same principle.

Or would you like me to call it the trickle down effect?


However you look at it...my point stands. The power of the people, collectively, can do more than any government could. I believe that. You may not. That's fine.

Or we could just all continue to live in a society were greed and selfishness reign supreme.

I'm not being nitpicky. I really think that you just look for reasons to get disgruntled in things that people say on here.
I believe in the power of the people more than anything, and that is why I think that if the people contacted officials on a matter like this, the impact could be huge. Even people without money could do this, as to your analogy of the forum, not everyone can offer a free item to another member.
We do not live in a society where greed and selfishness are supreme, but in days when an economy is flailing and people are losing retirement funds, people might have no pocket money at all.
Best,
Tony[/quote:1uc72qvb]

Fianlly, someone who can have a normal discussion. Thank you.

I do have to disagree about your opinion of me just looking for reasons to argue. That is not the case here at all.

I don't expect anyone to buy into my opinions or theories....but as a rebuttle to what you've said about the economy...please think about this for one second and let me know your opinon on the idea. Mind you, I am not naive and know that it would NEVER happen.


Yes. Our economy is is a horrible state. But, while you say we should contact the goverment to assist our veterans families with financial aid...I said hogwash to that because it would never work. Our government mishandles this country finances horribly.

I fully, wholeheartedly believe in the "trickle Down Effect". In many fascets of life...but primarily when it comes to todays economy. What was it recently....a $150 billion bailout? For how many companies? AIG, Citi...who else?


Thnk about this for two seconds...sort of a "What if" scenerio.

What if the government had taken that $150 billion and evenly distributed it amongst every single person in the US over the age of 18. That calcultes to roughly $450,000 per person, give or take. Now, tax that money...roughly leaving each person with $200,000 (to spend...it's what we do best as a consumer based society) while generating approx. $250,000 PER PERSON back into the economy.

Instead we give $150 billion to a few companies to bail them out and what do they do with it? One CEO was let go and given $40 MILLION dollars as his severence pay! Citi is still planning on paying the Mets $400 MILLION to name thier new stadium Citi Field. AIG is paying the Manchester United soccer team $125 MILLION to have their logo on their uniforms. And the list goes on.....

Of course my figures are not exact to the penny..but you see my point. Our government "bailed" these companies out..just so that their CEO's could get richer while laying off thousands of employees and they continue to spend the bailout money. Instead the money could have been put to better use to stimulate the economy.

Like I said...these are just my thoughts. No one has to agree. But I do consider myself a fairly intelligent person who thinks outside the box from time to time. I think that had the money been divided as I said we would have seen an immediate boost to the economy.


Getting back to the point on hand.....what I typed above is why I don't believe in asking the government for help and why I believe that we should be helping each other out....one way or another. There are many other things that I head up that I won't get into because I don't want to be seen and "tooting my own horn". But in the end, I know that ever single person does count and can make a difference.


But anyway...I could go on all day..apparently...lol But thanks for the decent discussion.


Jay

 

[Resident Bay Fan]

Not to hickjack this thread but there are lots of ways to support the troops. My son just organized a school project of sending "stuff" to the troops. His school gathered candy, snacks, books/mags (clean of course), toiletries, cards, stationery, etc....and they are sending this out tomorrow. It helps that my brother-in-law is in Baghdad and we have a connection to send things to but I bet everyone knows of someone who could use a "taste of home."

Also, read about Curt Schillings recent visit to the tropps here:

http://38pitches.weei.com/general/uso-t ... /#more-238

He actually spent some time with my brother-in-law

I would rather have a midget puke in my mouth than read Schillings awful blog... With that said I'll donate soon

Thanks for the support. With THAT being said, I'd like to say that I wasn't intentionally trying to give anyone a "guilt" trip. I was merely trying to get some folks to put up a few dollars to help those that are doing the ultimate for us.

If I was to write to my government official's about this, it would take 10 years or more before it ever came to light, if at all. These guys/gals coming home with the injuries they have need something now, not 10 years from now.

I apoligize to those that took offense to my "challenge". It was just my way of trying to do something worthwhile. I'll make sure not to bring it to a baseball card message board called "Freedom" cardboard.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Not to hickjack this thread but there are lots of ways to support the troops. My son just organized a school project of sending "stuff" to the troops. His school gathered candy, snacks, books/mags (clean of course), toiletries, cards, stationery, etc....and they are sending this out tomorrow. It helps that my brother-in-law is in Baghdad and we have a connection to send things to but I bet everyone knows of someone who could use a "taste of home."

Also, read about Curt Schillings recent visit to the tropps here:

http://38pitches.weei.com/general/uso-t ... /#more-238

He actually spent some time with my brother-in-law

I would rather have a midget puke in my mouth than read Schillings awful blog... With that said I'll donate soon

Thanks for the support. With THAT being said, I'd like to say that I wasn't intentionally trying to give anyone a "guilt" trip. I was merely trying to get some folks to put up a few dollars to help those that are doing the ultimate for us.

If I was to write to my government official's about this, it would take 10 years or more before it ever came to light, if at all. These guys/gals coming home with the injuries they have need something now, not 10 years from now.

I apoligize to those that took offense to my "challenge". It was just my way of trying to do something worthwhile. I'll make sure not to bring it to a baseball card message board called "Freedom" cardboard.

I don't think anyone has an actual problem with posts like this. It just struck up conversation...

 

[tonyrios]

Not to hickjack this thread but there are lots of ways to support the troops. My son just organized a school project of sending "stuff" to the troops. His school gathered candy, snacks, books/mags (clean of course), toiletries, cards, stationery, etc....and they are sending this out tomorrow. It helps that my brother-in-law is in Baghdad and we have a connection to send things to but I bet everyone knows of someone who could use a "taste of home."

Also, read about Curt Schillings recent visit to the tropps here:

http://38pitches.weei.com/general/uso-t ... /#more-238

He actually spent some time with my brother-in-law

I would rather have a midget puke in my mouth than read Schillings awful blog... With that said I'll donate soon

Thanks for the support. With THAT being said, I'd like to say that I wasn't intentionally trying to give anyone a "guilt" trip. I was merely trying to get some folks to put up a few dollars to help those that are doing the ultimate for us.

If I was to write to my government official's about this, it would take 10 years or more before it ever came to light, if at all. These guys/gals coming home with the injuries they have need something now, not 10 years from now.

I apoligize to those that took offense to my "challenge". It was just my way of trying to do something worthwhile. I'll make sure not to bring it to a baseball card message board called "Freedom" cardboard.

No one had / has a problem with it as far as I'm concerned, I'm glad you posted it. It just struck me because it made me begin to think what the best way to support our troops is, how people without money can support, and how far our altruism for troops should go and still let our government know that they need to change their support for them.
And it wouldn't take ten years to get something like that done. If you've tried or rallied before, you'd see that.
All the best,
Tony

 

[MaineMule]

Not to hickjack this thread but there are lots of ways to support the troops. My son just organized a school project of sending "stuff" to the troops. His school gathered candy, snacks, books/mags (clean of course), toiletries, cards, stationery, etc....and they are sending this out tomorrow. It helps that my brother-in-law is in Baghdad and we have a connection to send things to but I bet everyone knows of someone who could use a "taste of home."

Also, read about Curt Schillings recent visit to the tropps here:

http://38pitches.weei.com/general/uso-t ... /#more-238

He actually spent some time with my brother-in-law

I would rather have a midget puke in my mouth than read Schillings awful blog... With that said I'll donate soon

....a completely ridiculous comment- if you heard about how excited the troops were to have spent time with Schilling, doing something as simple as a game of catch, you might reconsider what you say. I know Schilling can be a pompous you know what, but taking his time to provide support at this time to year to the service men/women is a very noble effort. More folks who have fame/fortune should do this same sort of thing, like what Bob Hope use to do in entertaining the troops.

Whatever your thoughts are about the conflicts we are engaged in around the world, we should all do what we can to support these true heroes.