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[Guest]

Defensive POY

MVP

 

[KOBEARODLT]

haha yeah espn drools over lebron

 

[Guest]

haha yeah espn drools over lebron

I was clicking on all of the different links.....ROY.....6th Man....and I come to D POY and while I don't disagree.....I was shocked to see all of those pictures of Dwight Howard....then the MVP voting with all the pic's of LeBron :lol: no one picture of Kobe though :evil:

 

[Kutzy]

Kobe will probably end 3rd in MVP voting, or he will get 2nd by a very close margin. I personally believe that Lebron and Dwight have locked up those awards. Same with Jason Terry for 6th man. I would also like to note that I believe Paul should probably be 3rd or in the running for 2nd with these buys but I dont think he will get the votes.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

I agree 100% with these picks.

 

[KandKCards]

haha yeah espn drools over lebron

As well they should. The NBA would be even more pathetic than it already is if it weren't for Lebron.

 

[Kutzy]

haha yeah espn drools over lebron

As well they should. The NBA would be even more pathetic than it already is if it weren't for Lebron.

This is sadly the truth.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

haha yeah espn drools over lebron

As well they should. The NBA would be even more pathetic than it already is if it weren't for Lebron.

This is sadly the truth.

It's usually people that haven't watched the NBA lately that think it's pathetic.

 

[Kutzy]

haha yeah espn drools over lebron

As well they should. The NBA would be even more pathetic than it already is if it weren't for Lebron.

This is sadly the truth.

It's usually people that haven't watched the NBA lately that think it's pathetic.

No its the people who cant stand the way the game are officiated think its pathetic.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

haha yeah espn drools over lebron

As well they should. The NBA would be even more pathetic than it already is if it weren't for Lebron.

This is sadly the truth.

It's usually people that haven't watched the NBA lately that think it's pathetic.

No its the people who cant stand the way the game are officiated think its pathetic.

I'll give you that. I just feel like that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There are so many great things going on in the NBA with so many amazing players, and it's actually turning out to be a great time to be an NBA fan. Sure there are some flaws, but overall it's far from pathetic.

 

[KandKCards]

[quote="KOBEARODLT":41ym9pva]haha yeah espn drools over lebron

As well they should. The NBA would be even more pathetic than it already is if it weren't for Lebron.

This is sadly the truth.

It's usually people that haven't watched the NBA lately that think it's pathetic.

No its the people who cant stand the way the game are officiated think its pathetic.

I'll give you that. I just feel like that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There are so many great things going on in the NBA with so many amazing players, and it's actually turning out to be a great time to be an NBA fan. Sure there are some flaws, but overall it's far from pathetic.[/quote:41ym9pva]
Bill Simmons had a quote in his MVP article that really summed it up.
"Vince Carter is trying tonight."
Just as an FYI, my father worked in college and pro basketball, and I currently work in college basketball. On the road, my dad said it wouldn't be uncommon for guys in the locker room before the game to basically just make up their minds that they aren't going to try that night. The NBA doesn't care about the actual product they put on the floor as much as they should, and that's why I can't stand it.

 

[Wehttam6]

I'm surprised two people picked Brook Lopez for ROY.
I also agree with all of the picks even though I would have liked to see Wade get more votes.

 

[Guest]

I'm surprised two people picked Brook Lopez for ROY.
I also agree with all of the picks even though I would have liked to see Wade get more votes.

Don't see how Wade got a vote and Kobe didn't....East Coast biased media

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

I'm surprised two people picked Brook Lopez for ROY.
I also agree with all of the picks even though I would have liked to see Wade get more votes.

Don't see how Wade got a vote and Kobe didn't....East Coast biased media

Wade: 30.2/5.0/7.5 with .491 FG%, 2.2 ST, 1.3 BLK
Kobe: 26.8/5.2/4.9 with .467 FG%, 1.5 ST, and 0.5 BLK

Wade scored more, and did it with more efficiency. Rebounds are a wash, but Wade got his teammates involved more. Also, while defensive stats are limited and don't tell the whole story, Wade has the better numbers there.

Also, I would think everyone can agree that Kobe has a better supporting cast in Gasol, Odom, and Bynum (when healthy). The Heat would be near the very bottom of the league without Wade this year, and the Lakers would still probably be decent.

 

[Guest]

I'm surprised two people picked Brook Lopez for ROY.
I also agree with all of the picks even though I would have liked to see Wade get more votes.

Don't see how Wade got a vote and Kobe didn't....East Coast biased media

Wade: 30.2/5.0/7.5 with .491 FG%, 2.2 ST, 1.3 BLK
Kobe: 26.8/5.2/4.9 with .467 FG%, 1.5 ST, and 0.5 BLK

Wade scored more, and did it with more efficiency. Rebounds are a wash, but Wade got his teammates involved more. Also, while defensive stats are limited and don't tell the whole story, Wade has the better numbers there.

Also, I would think everyone can agree that Kobe has a better supporting cast in Gasol, Odom, and Bynum (when healthy). The Heat would be near the very bottom of the league without Wade this year, and the Lakers would still probably be decent.

the Lakers would suck without Kobe....he draws attention away from guys (with the exception of Gasol) who would just be average at best on other teams....Kobe is the only reason you can say the name Odom or Bynum.......those guys SUCK! and I disagree with you on the efficiency....while his % is greater it's by 3/10's which is nothing......also....Wade doesn't average that much more a game then Kobe who has played 3 more games total then Wade has.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

I'm surprised two people picked Brook Lopez for ROY.
I also agree with all of the picks even though I would have liked to see Wade get more votes.

Don't see how Wade got a vote and Kobe didn't....East Coast biased media

Wade: 30.2/5.0/7.5 with .491 FG%, 2.2 ST, 1.3 BLK
Kobe: 26.8/5.2/4.9 with .467 FG%, 1.5 ST, and 0.5 BLK

Wade scored more, and did it with more efficiency. Rebounds are a wash, but Wade got his teammates involved more. Also, while defensive stats are limited and don't tell the whole story, Wade has the better numbers there.

Also, I would think everyone can agree that Kobe has a better supporting cast in Gasol, Odom, and Bynum (when healthy). The Heat would be near the very bottom of the league without Wade this year, and the Lakers would still probably be decent.

the Lakers would suck without Kobe....he draws attention away from guys (with the exception of Gasol) who would just be average at best on other teams....Kobe is the only reason you can say the name Odom or Bynum.......those guys SUCK! and I disagree with you on the efficiency....while his % is greater it's by 3/10's which is nothing......also....Wade doesn't average that much more a game then Kobe who has played 3 more games total then Wade has.

you're right, the % isn't a huge deal. Wade only hit about 54 more shots on around 30 more attempts. I would think it's worth mentioning in the discussion though.

I guess what I'm trying to point out is that the numbers are better in almost every category. They're so close and you look at a team like LA with the guys I mentioned vs the team Miami has and Wade means more to that team.

Gasol: 18.9
Bynum: 14.3
Odom: 11.3

Beasley (Rookie): 13.8
O'Neal/Marion: 13.0/12.0
Haslem: 10.6

I would say Wade has the same effect on his supporting cast as Kobe has on his, so it's harder for me to say that the supporting cast is worse than Miami's but Kobe inflates their numbers to look better. I only get to watch the Lakers and Heat when they are a national broadcast or are playing the Celts so I only have the numbers to look at. I can see it being a toss up, but I'd understand either perspective on it and definitely wouldn't fault someone for voting Wade over Kobe.

 

[Guest]

I'm surprised two people picked Brook Lopez for ROY.
I also agree with all of the picks even though I would have liked to see Wade get more votes.

Don't see how Wade got a vote and Kobe didn't....East Coast biased media

Wade: 30.2/5.0/7.5 with .491 FG%, 2.2 ST, 1.3 BLK
Kobe: 26.8/5.2/4.9 with .467 FG%, 1.5 ST, and 0.5 BLK

Wade scored more, and did it with more efficiency. Rebounds are a wash, but Wade got his teammates involved more. Also, while defensive stats are limited and don't tell the whole story, Wade has the better numbers there.

Also, I would think everyone can agree that Kobe has a better supporting cast in Gasol, Odom, and Bynum (when healthy). The Heat would be near the very bottom of the league without Wade this year, and the Lakers would still probably be decent.

the Lakers would suck without Kobe....he draws attention away from guys (with the exception of Gasol) who would just be average at best on other teams....Kobe is the only reason you can say the name Odom or Bynum.......those guys SUCK! and I disagree with you on the efficiency....while his % is greater it's by 3/10's which is nothing......also....Wade doesn't average that much more a game then Kobe who has played 3 more games total then Wade has.

you're right, the % isn't a huge deal. Wade only hit about 54 more shots on around 30 more attempts. I would think it's worth mentioning in the discussion though.

I guess what I'm trying to point out is that the numbers are better in almost every category. They're so close and you look at a team like LA with the guys I mentioned vs the team Miami has and Wade means more to that team.

Gasol: 18.9
Bynum: 14.3
Odom: 11.3

Beasley (Rookie): 13.8
O'Neal/Marion: 13.0/12.0
Haslem: 10.6

I would say Wade has the same effect on his supporting cast as Kobe has on his, so it's harder for me to say that the supporting cast is worse than Miami's but Kobe inflates their numbers to look better. I only get to watch the Lakers and Heat when they are a national broadcast or are playing the Celts so I only have the numbers to look at. I can see it being a toss up, but I'd understand either perspective on it and definitely wouldn't fault someone for voting Wade over Kobe.

Gasol was a good player before he came to LA and lived up to the value that the Lakers were expecting....but you can't just hand Wade the MVP because guys like O'Neal and Marion didn't live up to what the Heat expected them to be.....Beasley, O'Neal and Marion would put up those numbers or maybe better on any other team....Bynum and Odom suck....they wouldn't have those kinds of numbers if Kobe didn't draw double teams.....not to take anything away from D. Wade....but comparing supporting casts to justify his right for MVP considerations over Kobe is a moot point.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

The reason I'm comparing supporting casts is because one way to look at MVP is by numbers (Wade in my opinion has a slight edge there) and then value to his team. I have no way to back this up, and I don't think anyone else does either, but I personally feel that Miami would be a much worse team without Wade and the Lakers would be worse but not terrible without Kobe. So in my opinion that makes Wade more valuable to his team than Kobe to his. Yes, it's kind of a silly way to justify it but the numbers and the value are the only two ways I can think of to determine MVP.

I'm not saying I'd have a problem with Kobe coming in 2nd because he's right there with Wade. I'd personally vote for Wade, but it's completely understandable to go the other way.

So let me ask you, if you can't look at supporting casts and Wade has better numbers then why is Kobe more valuable?

Edit: Thanks for posting on the basketball boards lately. I enjoy good debates/discussions like this.

 

[Guest]

The reason I'm comparing supporting casts is because one way to look at MVP is by numbers (Wade in my opinion has a slight edge there) and then value to his team. I have no way to back this up, and I don't think anyone else does either, but I personally feel that Miami would be a much worse team without Wade and the Lakers would be worse but not terrible without Kobe. So in my opinion that makes Wade more valuable to his team than Kobe to his. Yes, it's kind of a silly way to justify it but the numbers and the value are the only two ways I can think of to determine MVP.

I'm not saying I'd have a problem with Kobe coming in 2nd because he's right there with Wade. I'd personally vote for Wade, but it's completely understandable to go the other way.

So let me ask you, if you can't look at supporting casts and Wade has better numbers then why is Kobe more valuable?

Edit: Thanks for posting on the basketball boards lately. I enjoy good debates/discussions like this.

No problem bud....I can respect your opinion....and I'm glad that you appreciate mine....but back to the discussion...I just think I just think Kobe carries his team and makes others look better....I don't see how Marion and O'Neal go from being good players on other teams and are barely average playing with Wade.....it could go either way....I was just surprised to see that D. Wade got a vote and Kobe didn't....but if you want to talk about all around numbers and a guy who's team would REALLY SUCK without him.....how about Dwight Howard???

 

[BGSRCGUY]

I'm surprised two people picked Brook Lopez for ROY.
I also agree with all of the picks even though I would have liked to see Wade get more votes.

Don't see how Wade got a vote and Kobe didn't....East Coast biased media

Wade: 30.2/5.0/7.5 with .491 FG%, 2.2 ST, 1.3 BLK
Kobe: 26.8/5.2/4.9 with .467 FG%, 1.5 ST, and 0.5 BLK

Wade scored more, and did it with more efficiency. Rebounds are a wash, but Wade got his teammates involved more. Also, while defensive stats are limited and don't tell the whole story, Wade has the better numbers there.

Also, I would think everyone can agree that Kobe has a better supporting cast in Gasol, Odom, and Bynum (when healthy). The Heat would be near the very bottom of the league without Wade this year, and the Lakers would still probably be decent.

the Lakers would suck without Kobe....he draws attention away from guys (with the exception of Gasol) who would just be average at best on other teams....Kobe is the only reason you can say the name Odom or Bynum.......those guys SUCK! and I disagree with you on the efficiency....while his % is greater it's by 3/10's which is nothing......also....Wade doesn't average that much more a game then Kobe who has played 3 more games total then Wade has.

you're right, the % isn't a huge deal. Wade only hit about 54 more shots on around 30 more attempts. I would think it's worth mentioning in the discussion though.

I guess what I'm trying to point out is that the numbers are better in almost every category. They're so close and you look at a team like LA with the guys I mentioned vs the team Miami has and Wade means more to that team.

Gasol: 18.9
Bynum: 14.3
Odom: 11.3

Beasley (Rookie): 13.8
O'Neal/Marion: 13.0/12.0
Haslem: 10.6

I would say Wade has the same effect on his supporting cast as Kobe has on his, so it's harder for me to say that the supporting cast is worse than Miami's but Kobe inflates their numbers to look better. I only get to watch the Lakers and Heat when they are a national broadcast or are playing the Celts so I only have the numbers to look at. I can see it being a toss up, but I'd understand either perspective on it and definitely wouldn't fault someone for voting Wade over Kobe.

Kobe differs a lot more than he really has too(if you ever watch lakers games, you notice he doesn't really get offensive minded till the end of the game, instead opting to get his team involved). If he had the team wade had, and played in the east, he would 100% put up the same record(the heat are not that good, and play against 3 good teams in the east), and likely would be putting up larger numbers in scoring, rebounding. The Heat are 42-39 in the east, substitute Kobe and Wade with the same teams, I don't think Wade win's 60 games in the west, but I do think Kobe wins 42 or more games. The MVP should be about who makes their team the best, for me this year its Lebron, Kobe, Chris Paul, then Wade. Just my opinion(and I love wade, hes my second favorite player in the league).