Carwin isn't as tall at Mir in shoes.

[NECpilgrims8]

This cracks me up...

 

[Super Mario]

That's pretty much how it went.

 

[JzWand]

I will just add a couple of points.

1. The reason Brock has fought names and Carwin, outside of Gonzaga and Mir, hasnt is name recognition. Its that simple Sam. The UFC could sell Brock right off the bat. Not so much with Carwin. Do you honestly believe Carwin wouldnt have finished Heath Herring around the same time? Cmon.

2. Royce is not considered one of the all time greats. Hes considered more as a pioneer who gave a glimpse of what the sport could really be. He made it cool to train in grappling and BJJ. But we all know that he was a one trick pony in a time when no one knew the trick.

3. Brock has everything IMO. Speed, killer instinct, size, wrestling, and most of all he seems willing to do whatever it takes to get better.

Sam, to say you dont believe the hype behind Carwin is ridiculous when you factor in your man crush on Brock (I dont mean that in a bad way). What has Brock done that makes you believe the hype with him?

This is where I prove you can dissect any fighters record and make it look like ****.

Brocks record:

Loss to Mir - was winning but inexperience led to him being the only person in the world that didnt know the kneebar wasnt coming
Win over Herring - couldnt finish a washed up Herring. The same Herring with a decision loss to Jake fricken O'Brien.
Win over Randy - wow impressive. Outweighing a 45 y/o by 45 lbs at weigh ins (probably 50-60 come fight time) and actually not even maintaining dominant position when he had it.
Win over Mir - Highlight of his career and must give him props on this.

I can do this with ALMOST any fighter but at some point you have to just say we wont truly know whos better until they fight.

 

[HPC]

I will just add a couple of points.

1. The reason Brock has fought names and Carwin, outside of Gonzaga and Mir, hasnt is name recognition. Its that simple Sam. The UFC could sell Brock right off the bat. Not so much with Carwin. Do you honestly believe Carwin wouldnt have finished Heath Herring around the same time? Cmon.

2. Royce is not considered one of the all time greats. Hes considered more as a pioneer who gave a glimpse of what the sport could really be. He made it cool to train in grappling and BJJ. But we all know that he was a one trick pony in a time when no one knew the trick.

3. Brock has everything IMO. Speed, killer instinct, size, wrestling, and most of all he seems willing to do whatever it takes to get better.

Sam, to say you dont believe the hype behind Carwin is ridiculous when you factor in your man crush on Brock (I dont mean that in a bad way). What has Brock done that makes you believe the hype with him?

This is where I prove you can dissect any fighters record and make it look like ****.

Brocks record:

Loss to Mir - was winning but inexperience led to him being the only person in the world that didnt know the kneebar wasnt coming
Win over Herring - couldnt finish a washed up Herring. The same Herring with a decision loss to Jake fricken O'Brien.
Win over Randy - wow impressive. Outweighing a 45 y/o by 45 lbs at weigh ins (probably 50-60 come fight time) and actually not even maintaining dominant position when he had it.
Win over Mir - Highlight of his career and must give him props on this.

I can do this with ALMOST any fighter but at some point you have to just say we wont truly know whos better until they fight.

Damn you are a poet

 

[Super Mario]

The first Mir/Lesnar fight, I didn't even finish watching it. As soon as Brock was standing over Mir with Mirs feet in his hands I got up, said "Well, this fight's over." and walked to the kitchen to get a beer.

 

[Bornagaincollector]

It is going to be a battle for sure,I'm going with Carwin in this match.I just don't think Lesnar can hang in the standup with Carwin.Lesnar will be able to take him down,i believe,Just don't think he is going to be able to manhandle Carwin.

Carwin is way stronger then Mir/Herring/Couture and has a wrestling background also.If Brock win i believe it will be by decision,i just don't think he can finish Carwin.

 

[Super Mario]

It's going to be VERY interesting for sure. I can't waut for 116!

 

[HPC]

Carwin is way stronger then Mir/Herring/Couture and has a wrestling background also.If Brock win i believe it will be by decision,i just don't think he can finish Carwin.

If you think Shane is stronger than Brock, youre mistaken

Check out the clips of Brock's training and workout routines, and even check out the vids of when he was wrestling and lifted 500lb big show over his shoulders and slammed him down.

I dont think Carwin has even done anything close to that. Besides, Carwin was a LB at Colorado State before he began wrestling.

Brock was a 3 Time NCAA D-1 All American wrestler.

I will say, I dont think Brock can match Shane's standup, but then again, we've never actually seen Brock go pound for pound striking in a fight, so it will be something new to see.

But other than Shane's stand up, what's he got?

4 of his 12 wins were by submission, but, only 1 of those 4 was something other than a choke (actually he made Carlton Jones submit to punches, so technically a TKO): armbar on Jay McCown back in 2006.

Basically Shane has been able to overpower guys and either KO them or choke them out. That really doesnt say much about a ground game and technical skills (which is what he needs to beat Brock, since that's where the fight will go)--just that he's been stronger and is able to beat people up easy.

Impressive? Hell yes. Indicative of a great all around fighter? No.

Other than Mir and Gonzaga, who has Shane faced? Lets see some numbers:

1) Carlton Jones (1-4-0)
2) Casey Jackson (4-2-0)
3) Jay McCown (1-3-0)
4) Justice Smith (0-2-0)
5) Chris Guillen (13-12-0)
6) Rick Slaton (2-1-0)
7) Rex Richards (6-2-0)
8) Sherman Pendergarst (11-17-0)
9) Christian Wellisch (8-5-0)
10) Neil Wain (6-2-0)

...then comes Gonzaga and Mir.

So for 10 fights, he basically fight guys who he could beat up and were also inexperienced. Out of 12 fights, he's only fought 5 guys that have more than 6 total fights.

Im not discounting Shane, im saying that until the last 2 fights, he's basically had an easy path to winning.

I cant wait for July!

 

[Super Mario]

Awesome takedowns by Carwin.

If Mir can take down Carwin, you don't think Lesnar can?

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

I think the only way that Lesnar loses this fight is from a stunning punch from Carwin.

No matter the outcome, Lesnar/Carwin II will be within 6 months baring serious injury.

 

[Super Mario]

I think the only way that Lesnar loses this fight is from a stunning punch from Carwin.

No matter the outcome, Lesnar/Carwin II will be within 6 months baring serious injury.

I think it's very possible that Carwin can beat Lesnar if he tags him. I can see a good chance of that happening.

I think if Brock gets mounted he could lose easily.

I just think it's going to be a chore for Carwin to get dominate position on him though.

 

[Bornagaincollector]

Please read my post...I never said that Carwin was stronger then Lesnar! I said that Carwin is stronger then MIR/COUTURE/HERRING,which he is.

You must realize that STRENGTH doesn't mean alot in MMA,I believe Carwin is strong enough to avoid big shots from Lesnar on the ground.NO WAY does Lesnar pin Carwin on the bottom like he did Mir in his last fight.

I'm not saying Carwin is the next big thing,but i believe he is a better all around mma fighter then Brock.Carwin will surprise you guys will he ground skills when they meet.

 

[JzWand]

If Randy can reverse Brock against the cage, you don't think Carwin can?

Fixed.

See sam, I can point to holes in Lesnars game (like letting a guy 60 lbs lighter than you reverse you) that will get Brock destroyed if he lets it happen vs Carwin!

 

[Super Mario]

If Randy can reverse Brock against the cage, you don't think Carwin can?

Fixed.

See sam, I can point to holes in Lesnars game (like letting a guy 60 lbs lighter than you reverse you) that will get Brock destroyed if he lets it happen vs Carwin!

I never claimed that he doesn't have holes in his game.

Couture is a great wrestler and nearly had Brock on his back. But Brock worked his way through it.

And I don't think Carwin is anywhere near the wrestler that Carwin is, even at 45.

Personally, I don't WANT to see Carwin get dominate position on Brock so I don't have to find out what would happen.

 

[kdailey4315]

If Randy can reverse Brock against the cage, you don't think Carwin can?

Fixed.

See sam, I can point to holes in Lesnars game (like letting a guy 60 lbs lighter than you reverse you) that will get Brock destroyed if he lets it happen vs Carwin!

The only thing Carwin has showed is he can KO people seemingly at will. Just because he was a good DII wrestler doesn't mean he can still do it or can do it effectively against Brock.

 

[JzWand]

Absolutely but I am just playing devils advocate.
Just because Lesnar has ragdolled a washed up Herring, a 45 y/o 60lbs lighter opponant, and Mir who Carwin also dispatched rather easily doesnt mean he can do it to Carwin.

I am saying that we dont truly know until they square off but its pointless to say that whatever Carwin has shown has been against crappy competition when both guys have some enormous advantages with whomever they fight.

 

[HPC]

One thing is for sure, I dont think many people will be disputing the call.

It will be a decisive victory by either fighter

If Shane defends takedowns, he's in for a good KO chance
If Brock gets the takedown, he'll GNP his ass, and his ass is huge so trying to move him aint easy

...Alot of IF's here, but I am pretty sure it wont be called because of a hit to the back of the head, or go to decision