Cliff Lee trade?

[donrusscrusademan]

it seems Lees agent didnt think there would be a resigning in Seattle, so do they trade him for Fielder or Gonzo? should be interesting...

Lee had his first start of the year yesterday and threw 7 innings while giving up only 3 singles and 0 runs/walks.

 

[donrusscrusademan]

hot off the press he says he isnt worrying about it, which is the generic response usually
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03007.html

 

[Sly]

If traded, it wouldn't be for those guys.

No way Milwaukee trades Fielder or SD trades Gonzalez for a "rental"...they'll want prospects.

 

[hive17]

If traded, it wouldn't be for those guys.

No way Milwaukee trades Fielder or SD trades Gonzalez for a "rental"...they'll want prospects.

+1

I didn't get it either.

 

[donrusscrusademan]

If traded, it wouldn't be for those guys.

No way Milwaukee trades Fielder or SD trades Gonzalez for a "rental"...they'll want prospects.

yeah, I was thinking if it was his 4th team in 2 years he might have better chance of staying with that team but I agree, it would be too much of a risk. the Randy Johnson rental was a backfire for example

 

[donrusscrusademan]

was reading this just now.. Id rather see them build for the future but this writer thinks they should go for it

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/s ... ley02.html

 

[Sly]

If traded, it wouldn't be for those guys.

No way Milwaukee trades Fielder or SD trades Gonzalez for a "rental"...they'll want prospects.

yeah, I was thinking if it was his 4th team in 2 years he might have better chance of staying with that team but I agree, it would be too much of a risk. the Randy Johnson rental was a backfire for example

Even if one those teams did trade for Lee with the intent to resign him, he's going to fetch $15M+ a year...why not just resign Fielder or Gonzalez. Plus, Lee is going to be the #1 pitcher out there in Free Agency next year...no chance he'd resign with anyone prior to the offseason.

 

[donrusscrusademan]

If traded, it wouldn't be for those guys.

No way Milwaukee trades Fielder or SD trades Gonzalez for a "rental"...they'll want prospects.

yeah, I was thinking if it was his 4th team in 2 years he might have better chance of staying with that team but I agree, it would be too much of a risk. the Randy Johnson rental was a backfire for example

Even if one those teams did trade for Lee with the intent to resign him, he's going to fetch $15M+ a year...why not just resign Fielder or Gonzalez. Plus, Lee is going to be the #1 pitcher out there in Free Agency next year...no chance he'd resign with anyone prior to the offseason.

right.. forgot how the rental thing works :benson:

how would the Ms get the most out of him?

 

[Sly]

was reading this just now.. Id rather see them build for the future but this writer thinks they should go for it

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/s ... ley02.html

Steve Kelley is an idiot for this part of his article only:

"Obviously Seattle won't be the only team bidding on Fielder and if it takes throwing last year's first round pick Dustin Ackley, instead of Triunfel, into the deal, no problem."

Seriously? Throw Ackley into a deal for Fielder (which would again probably be a rental)?? Please...

 

[Sly]

If traded, it wouldn't be for those guys.

No way Milwaukee trades Fielder or SD trades Gonzalez for a "rental"...they'll want prospects.

yeah, I was thinking if it was his 4th team in 2 years he might have better chance of staying with that team but I agree, it would be too much of a risk. the Randy Johnson rental was a backfire for example

Even if one those teams did trade for Lee with the intent to resign him, he's going to fetch $15M+ a year...why not just resign Fielder or Gonzalez. Plus, Lee is going to be the #1 pitcher out there in Free Agency next year...no chance he'd resign with anyone prior to the offseason.

right.. forgot how the rental thing works :benson:

how would the Ms get the most out of him?

Three ways:

1. If the M's are out of it in July, you trade him for some pretty solid prospects, considering what they gave up for him.
2. They hold him if they are still in it, which is likely considering how weak the AL West is, and offer him arbitration (which he will decline), and take the draft picks.
3. Try to resign him in the offseason.

 

[donrusscrusademan]

was reading this just now.. Id rather see them build for the future but this writer thinks they should go for it

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/s ... ley02.html

Steve Kelley is an idiot for this part of his article only:

"Obviously Seattle won't be the only team bidding on Fielder and if it takes throwing last year's first round pick Dustin Ackley, instead of Triunfel, into the deal, no problem."

Seriously? Throw Ackley into a deal for Fielder (which would again probably be a rental)?? Please...

yeah, Ackley is untouchable. you dont just throw him away for a chubby power hitter.

 

[aaron41984]

If he keeps throwing like he is capable of, the Mariners could contend in the weak AL West. They may be in last right now but that is only a game and half out of first.

 

[stu]

The west is there to be had. If the M's tightened up on defense and got a couple reliable hitters, they could run away in the West.

 

[David Campos]

The west is there to be had. If the M's tightened up on defense and got a couple reliable hitters, they could run away in the West.

After Felix and Lee, who's left that can dominate as a starting pitcher? Where's Seattle's power going to come from?

I think as soon as the angels get their pitching in line (bullpen:Shields,Fuentes) (starters:Kazmir, Pineiro, Saunders), they'll run away with the division again.

Morales, Hunter, Matsui, and even guys like Abreu, Rivera, Kendrick, and Napoli will carry this team all at certain times this year.

I'll take the angels starting 5 of Weaver, Santana, Saunders, Pineiro, and Kazmir over any staff in the AL West. Oakland will have a great staff in a couple of years but they're still too young right now. We'll see how Ben Sheets is at the All Star break.

 

[ballerskrip]

Since when do you need more than 2 "DOMINANT" starting pitchers? Truthfully, the ANGELS don't have a single "dominant" starting pitcher. They have (4) #2-3 starters, not a single ace or #1 starter.

I think this division is completely up in the air, even though I am heavily rooting for the Angels.

The west is there to be had. If the M's tightened up on defense and got a couple reliable hitters, they could run away in the West.

After Felix and Lee, who's left that can dominate as a starting pitcher? Where's Seattle's power going to come from?

I think as soon as the angels get their pitching in line (bullpen:Shields,Fuentes) (starters:Kazmir, Pineiro, Saunders), they'll run away with the division again.

Morales, Hunter, Matsui, and even guys like Abreu, Rivera, Kendrick, and Napoli will carry this team all at certain times this year.

I'll take the angels starting 5 of Weaver, Santana, Saunders, Pineiro, and Kazmir over any staff in the AL West. Oakland will have a great staff in a couple of years but they're still too young right now. We'll see how Ben Sheets is at the All Star break.

 

[David Campos]

Weaver has stepped up this year and should be 5-0. The pen has blown two of his other wins. The halos didn't have a true #1 last year either and still ran away with the division. They always start out slow but eventually Scioscia gets them going. There are a lot of guys with new roles that take some adjusting. Aybar taking over the leadoff role for Figgins, Weaver stepping up for the loss of Lackey, Stokes and Rodney filling roles in the pen(Oliver went to Texas), Wood replacing Figgins at third, etc.

Wood was really struggling but had a 4 game hit streak last week including back to back 3 hit games. I'm not expecting him to hit .300 but if he can hit at least .250-.260, they halos will take that. If not, they can plug Maicer Izturis at third or sign a free agent.

Tomorrow will be a big test to see where this team is. 2 game losing streak with Weaver vs. Verlander tomorrow in Detroit.

 

[RogerMarisCollector61]

I hope the phillies can get him back they never should have traded him in the first place!!!

 

[Sly]

The west is there to be had. If the M's tightened up on defense and got a couple reliable hitters, they could run away in the West.

After Felix and Lee, who's left that can dominate as a starting pitcher? Where's Seattle's power going to come from?

I think as soon as the angels get their pitching in line (bullpen:Shields,Fuentes) (starters:Kazmir, Pineiro, Saunders), they'll run away with the division again.

Morales, Hunter, Matsui, and even guys like Abreu, Rivera, Kendrick, and Napoli will carry this team all at certain times this year.

I'll take the angels starting 5 of Weaver, Santana, Saunders, Pineiro, and Kazmir over any staff in the AL West. Oakland will have a great staff in a couple of years but they're still too young right now. We'll see how Ben Sheets is at the All Star break.

Actually, once Bedard is back, and if healthy, they've basically got 3 #1 pitchers, and behind that...

Ryan Rowland-Smith (who is an excellent #4 starter)
Doug Fister (who has been absolutely on fire this season - and with the exception of about 2 poor starts last season, has been outstanding since coming up to the majors).

And yes, outside of Seattle, these are two guys most probably haven't paid much attention to. The pitching isn't the issue with Seattle, it's obviously their offense (specifically the power).

 

[trademhigh]

I hope the phillies can get him back they never should have traded him in the first place!!!

You want Cliff Lee over Halladay, even though they are very close in age?

 

[RogerMarisCollector61]

I hope the phillies can get him back they never should have traded him in the first place!!!

You want Cliff Lee over Halladay, even though they are very close in age?

What???

The Phillies could have had both Halladay and Lee...

Amaro said he wanted to "replenish the farm system." AKA didnt want to spend the money on him...
Im a huge howard fan but personally I think it would have been best for the team to sign Lee to a 4 yr 80 million dollar deal and resign Werth to a 3 year 45 million dollar deal instead of giving howard 125 million.