Does TOPPS dare to show up at the 2011 Chicago National?

[Seiya]

November 5, 2010. The Day Topps ruined my life forever!

PRETTY SOON FCB!

This is quickly becoming my favorite FCB meme

Inspired by jbone.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

I used to get flamed for this, but why do so many assume that what's always good for sellers is good for buyers and vice versa?

I understand its not the best time to be a seller and I sympathize with this, but that doesn't mean the entire hobby is in the crapper, just the selling part is.

Topps needs to figure it out...with like 12 loser products in a row and only 2 winners all year they need to do something...stop printing every case that is ordered and then extra. Then when Topps figures out that they can't sell the extra to anyone they close it out to a distributor. Topps does not care about anyone in the hobby all they care about is padding their pockets...I have heard from numerous distributor sources that Topps will not listen to anyone about what they should do to better any of their products. I have personally tried calling Dave Reel (top guy at topps) and John Buscalia (V.P. of Sale at Topps), but neither one has the balls to answer their cell phones. Out of the 10,000 2010 Bowman Chrome cases produced, I would say you can make money on maybe 500 of those case....1:20 Cases nets a gain.....Wow!!!! Topps thanks for the great odds...maybe they should put that on the back of the wrapper...or maybe a sound should be activated once you open a case saying " you just got punked" Should Topps be the only company with an MLB license? Why are they still making football products? Once again only 1 winner product all year...way to go NFL at this point I would rather see press pass have the NFL license, then I sure everything would probably be at least be on card autographed. Topps is making Upper Deck look like a Fortune 100 company...

 

[chi_sportscards]

I totally agree right now is the time to buy...the hobby is not in the crapper and will never be. People will always love collecting cards no matter what...

 

[matfanofold]

I'm getting tired with all the complaints against Topps lately, specificly the production runs. Sure, each product they produce has had it's varying degrees of sucess and/or failuer. And thats fine, all worthy of discussion. But when talking about the recent production runs, they are not to blame. The shop/store owners and 'flippers' who pre purchased many more cases than usual because they thought they were going to capitalize are. It was there created demand that allowed this to happen. Topps did not simply produce untold millions of cases and flood the market, inflated demand did.

And since many who pre bought did not really have the money to do so, now they are forced to liquidate at a loss and the market becomes flooded. It was greed that caused this. And not Topps greed, but the greed of thoes thinking they had a fool proof way of making a flip. Welcome to the hobby.

Topps gets a lot of flack from this board, some warrented, some not. But in this perticular situation they are not to blame. They simply tried to fill demand. Lets pretend for a second that this product was a sucess, and 2/3'rds of you could not even get your hands on the product. Would you be praising them? would you be saying 'Thank god for topps not providing us customers what we wanted"? I dont think so.... Again, they did not simply let the presses roll, they filled demand.

Now, want to complain about quality? Lack of substance? Player selection? Design? Ect..? Go right ahead! But if you are one of the many who pre bought this product in hopes of cashing in, and now are stuck with product worth less than you paid(and do not have the proper funds to hold), then you only have one person to blame.

 

[nyc3]

I love the mentality of wahhhh I didnt make money therefore someone needs to answer to me!! How about run your business correctly and not rely on someone else making you money. Heres a free tip, dont pre-order and your tear fest wouldnt be needed. These topics are getting as comical as the wahh I bought 2 boxes and didnt pull a red refractor.

 

[schmidtfan20]

Topps will show up and be offering free food and dealers will drool, then will give away some cards and dealers
will once again drool, then they will ask some stupid questions and topps will have all the answers, then they
will give away some more cards and then it will be done.

Does topps pre-screen who attends their talks? If you watched the video this year there were no great
questions asked and topps was running it the way they wanted. If you remember the big news at that time
was the Strasburg ginter mini, which topps said was not SPed, but no one dealer in that room asked what
was up....sickening.

 

[chi_sportscards]

Bingo you are right one...everyone over ordered on all the recent releases after they saw what 2010 Bowman did...I feel sorry for people who pre-ordered bowman chrome cases at around $900 and didn't a credit on it...I can't wait to but some cases when it's $350 a case

 

[ballerskrip]

I love the mentality of wahhhh I didnt make money therefore someone needs to answer to me!! How about run your business correctly and not rely on someone else making you money. Heres a free tip, dont pre-order and your tear fest wouldnt be needed. These topics are getting as comical as the wahh I bought 2 boxes and didnt pull a red refractor.

Umm, every store pre-orders. So this argument makes ZERO sense. The OP never said anything about personally NOT making money on this product. It appears that many people posting in this thread are taking other peoples complaints and attributing them to the OP.

The only thing worst than all of the complaints nowadays, are the Fact that they are true, and all of the geniuses who are bashing them for having an opinion.

skrip

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Umm, every store pre-orders.

Pre-ordering itself doesn't seem to be an issue, just the amount of pre-ordering. It seems those that pre-order need to figure out how much pre-ordering everyone else is doing and measure that against consumer/collector demand.

 

[ballerskrip]

Umm, every store pre-orders.

Pre-ordering itself doesn't seem to be an issue, just the amount of pre-ordering. It seems those that pre-order need to figure out how much pre-ordering everyone else is doing and measure that against consumer/collector demand.

I was referring to NYC3, who two posts above mine clearly stated the the OP shouldn't pre-order for his shop and that would solve all his problems.

Skrip

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Umm, every store pre-orders.

Pre-ordering itself doesn't seem to be an issue, just the amount of pre-ordering. It seems those that pre-order need to figure out how much pre-ordering everyone else is doing and measure that against consumer/collector demand.

I was referring to NYC3, who two posts above mine clearly stated the the OP shouldn't pre-order for his shop and that would solve all his problems.

Skrip

Yeah its kinda obvious then that finding the right balance when pre-ordering is what matters.

 

[RZimm11]

Umm, every store pre-orders.

Pre-ordering itself doesn't seem to be an issue, just the amount of pre-ordering. It seems those that pre-order need to figure out how much pre-ordering everyone else is doing and measure that against consumer/collector demand.

I was referring to NYC3, who two posts above mine clearly stated the the OP shouldn't pre-order for his shop and that would solve all his problems.

Skrip

Yeah its kinda obvious then that finding the right balance when pre-ordering is what matters.

Exactly. Ordering 10 cases (Because Bowman exploded) when you normally have ordered 1 or 2 in past years was the problem.

I remember posts stating exactly that months ago people were upping their orders. Kinda hard not to see it coming.

 

[sportscardtheory]

lol I love it. Topps releases a shat-ton of product which is lessening it's value, and people are here blaming people who ordered it. What a freaking joke. People can't be this ignorant, can they? Topps is SOLELY responsible for the amount of product they release. A flooded market is bad business for Topps and anyone who bought their product. Wake up, people. Topps is a business, and they messed-up badly. Why isn't Topps responsible for the amount of product they release? Oh, that's right, they are SOLELY responsible for the amount of product they release.

 

[matfanofold]

lol I love it. Topps releases a shat-ton of product which is lessening it's value, and people are here blaming people who ordered it. What a freaking joke. People can't be this ignorant, can they? Topps is SOLELY responsible for the amount of product they release. A flooded market is bad business for Topps and anyone who bought their product. Wake up, people. Topps is a business, and they messed-up badly. Why isn't Topps responsible for the amount of product they release? Oh, that's right, they are SOLELY responsible for the amount of product they release.

Or you could say....

Topps produces a shat-ton of product to fill pre-orders, and the over ordering(and subsiquent liquidation of a product that thoes who pre-ordered too much have to get rid of) is lessening it's value, and people are here blaming Topps?

Kinda depends on which stone you want to throw....

 

[Mahoody]

Ouch! No need to bring it there!

Please try and not let that happen again.

-mod