Dont know how much longer I can keep using eBay (Update)

[sportscardtheory]

Re: I don't know how much longer I can continue to use eBay

I guess it's not surprising that the same people who get "upset" when a buyer doesn't want to pay for something are the same people who get so unreasonably offended by what I have said about selling on eBay being a business.

 

[cartersprings]

Re: I don't know how much longer I can continue to use eBay

I'm not sure why you are so upset about anything I said. I'm just stating my opinion on the matter. Big deal. I'M on a high horse? Nice post. lol

You aren't just stating your opinion. You continually try to talk down and belittle those with differing opinions. It's not just this thread. I'd swear you get off by arguing with people.

I am done with you. Have a good night.
I know you'll reply since you always have to have the last word.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: I don't know how much longer I can continue to use eBay

I'm not sure why you are so upset about anything I said. I'm just stating my opinion on the matter. Big deal. I'M on a high horse? Nice post. lol

You aren't just stating your opinion. You continually try to talk down and belittle those with differing opinions. It's not just this thread. I'd swear you get off by arguing with people.

I am done with you. Have a good night.
I know you'll reply since you always have to have the last word.

No, you just get offended way too easily. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Nice try on the lame "I know you'll reply since you always have to have the last word." bit. I will reply and I don't care one bit what you think about it. Sorry you have a problem with me. It's completely unwarranted.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Re: I don't know how much longer I can continue to use eBay

The only way to remedy this is to cut your losses and not attempt to "force" people to pay. He clearly wasn't going to pay, so you should just give-in to his wishes and cancel the transaction to save yourself the headache. Does it suck, sure. Is it worth trying to force someone to do something they have no intention of doing, nope.

I agree with this and wonder to what, if any, extent, eBay tracks returns. They probably don't. But eBay wants even little sellers to follow business practices that big retailers use.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: I don't know how much longer I can continue to use eBay

The only way to remedy this is to cut your losses and not attempt to "force" people to pay. He clearly wasn't going to pay, so you should just give-in to his wishes and cancel the transaction to save yourself the headache. Does it suck, sure. Is it worth trying to force someone to do something they have no intention of doing, nope.

I agree with this and wonder to what, if any, extent, eBay tracks returns. They probably don't. But eBay wants even little sellers to follow business practices that big retailers use.

This is pretty much the extent of it. You either swim downstream or upstream. It's easier to swim downstream.

 

[homerun28aa]

Re: I don't know how much longer I can continue to use eBay

I truly don't get why sportscardtheory is getting flamed here. You guys who are saying the buyer should pay are all 100% right, the buyer is taking advantage that eBay cannot force buyers to pay and there is little consequence for them not paying. But as the seller there is not much you can do by simply messaging someone, it is not a real-life confrontation when the buyer has to worry about his word and reputation and things like that. Sellers are not protected enough, however, sportscardtheory is just pretty much stats facts. In theory, yes the buyer should have to pay, but in practice, if he doesn't feel like it, he simply won't. Fact of the matter is as a seller, you can't do anything about it except send him a meaningless message stating he's in violation of eBay terms yada yada yada. The buyer can choose not to respond and you'll send an NPB and hopefully get your money back. However, I completely get the frustration the OP is having, unfortunately we should accept that the deal is not face to face and there isn't anything we can do about it. Btw...it seemed like he said wont leave positive feedback, at first, I read that as just meaning he won't leave you any feedback, he didn't specify he'd leave you a neg. Hopefully he just leaves it alone from here on out.

The only way to remedy this is to cut your losses and not attempt to "force" people to pay. He clearly wasn't going to pay, so you should just give-in to his wishes and cancel the transaction to save yourself the headache. Does it suck, sure. Is it worth trying to force someone to do something they have no intention of doing, nope.

I agree with this and wonder to what, if any, extent, eBay tracks returns. They probably don't. But eBay wants even little sellers to follow business practices that big retailers use.

This is pretty much the extent of it. You either swim downstream or upstream. It's easier to swim downstream.

 

[GioCollector1089]

updated in initial post

 

[nyc3]

At this point I would be more afraid of him now saying he got the card but there is damage. I hope you insured them. Cause his feedback threats are nothing, as soon as he leaves a negative contact ebay and let them know he threatened you with feedback extortion cause you asked him to pay. It may take a bit but stay on it and they will lift it.

But like I said there is nothing protecting you if you dont have insurance from him bending the card in half and returning it.

 

[phillyfan0417]

updated in initial post

Well done. I understand both sides of the coin completely but those who are passive on the subject, are really the ones who help cause this issue. the few times i've sold and had an issue, i've allowed ebay to handle it and its worked out fine.

 

[TwinGnats]

Re: I don't know how much longer I can continue to use eBay

I guess since this forum isn't a BUSINESS transaction it's ok to be super emotional about the subject lol.

I agree with the OP. I'd stand my ground based on principle. Buyers shouldn't be allowed to get away with this crap and I HATE the way eBay has become. Keep that email & GL.

BTW, I'd appreciate it if you could post the buyer's ID (or pm it to me). Thanks.

I'm just being practical and looking at it from a business perspective. It's okay that you don't understand it and use emotion to run your eBay practices. Everyone is different. eBay is not the best venue for emotional sellers.

Can you ever make a point without attacking or belittling anyone who disagrees with you?

There's a big difference between having a backbone and 'being emotional'. If a buyer doesn't pay, a NPB should be filed (esp since the buyer had the nerve to state they didn't want it simply due to finding some cheaper). Maybe this will teach the buyer to think twice next time before committing to purchase an item. If every seller let buyers walk all over them, can you imagine how much worse eBay would be?

He called my opinion a "joke", so yeah, I came at him a little. Sue me. Talk about needing a backbone.

About this situation, when you sell something on eBay you enter a BUSINESS transaction. The principles you speak of are meant for people who don't know how to run a BUSINESS. eBay is no longer a garage sale on the internet, so if you can't treat it like a BUSINESS, then stay away from it. It's really that simple. I don't let any buyer "walk all over" me, but if they decide they don't want to pay or can't pay, who am I to put up a stink about it. It's a BUSINESS transaction and not all BUSINESS transactions work out in the favor of the seller 100% of the time. You ever bought something and returned it? Yes, you have. As a seller, if you simply want to end the transaction before paying, you are saving me a LOT of hassle. As a BUSINESSMAN making sales on eBay, I don't let my emotions guide my practices. "Wah wah wah, he said he was going to pay me, boo hoo hoo!!!" isn't good business sense.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: I don't know how much longer I can continue to use eBay

I guess since this forum isn't a BUSINESS transaction it's ok to be super emotional about the subject lol.

I agree with the OP. I'd stand my ground based on principle. Buyers shouldn't be allowed to get away with this crap and I HATE the way eBay has become. Keep that email & GL.

BTW, I'd appreciate it if you could post the buyer's ID (or pm it to me). Thanks.

I'm just being practical and looking at it from a business perspective. It's okay that you don't understand it and use emotion to run your eBay practices. Everyone is different. eBay is not the best venue for emotional sellers.

Can you ever make a point without attacking or belittling anyone who disagrees with you?

There's a big difference between having a backbone and 'being emotional'. If a buyer doesn't pay, a NPB should be filed (esp since the buyer had the nerve to state they didn't want it simply due to finding some cheaper). Maybe this will teach the buyer to think twice next time before committing to purchase an item. If every seller let buyers walk all over them, can you imagine how much worse eBay would be?

He called my opinion a "joke", so yeah, I came at him a little. Sue me. Talk about needing a backbone.

About this situation, when you sell something on eBay you enter a BUSINESS transaction. The principles you speak of are meant for people who don't know how to run a BUSINESS. eBay is no longer a garage sale on the internet, so if you can't treat it like a BUSINESS, then stay away from it. It's really that simple. I don't let any buyer "walk all over" me, but if they decide they don't want to pay or can't pay, who am I to put up a stink about it. It's a BUSINESS transaction and not all BUSINESS transactions work out in the favor of the seller 100% of the time. You ever bought something and returned it? Yes, you have. As a seller, if you simply want to end the transaction before paying, you are saving me a LOT of hassle. As a BUSINESSMAN making sales on eBay, I don't let my emotions guide my practices. "Wah wah wah, he said he was going to pay me, boo hoo hoo!!!" isn't good business sense.

Ron Paul

 

[BunchOBull]

You have proof of delivery, proof of the buyer trying to wiggle out of the transaction and threatening negative feedback for requiring him to honor his contract, and you have a statement in which the buyer claims to have gotten another for cheaper and didn't want your copy. That should be a slam dunk case in your favor should he neg you or push this.

 

[hive17]

I agree with standing your ground. Sellers who let these scumbags wiggle off the hook are the reason they keep doing it.

 

[Jastermereel]

I haven't read all the posts here, so if either of these options are covered, sorry.

You could be preemptive and call eBay and show them the emails and the how your ordeal went down. They might shut him down before he can make any move at all.

You could also tell him that his threats are against eBay TOS and that should he leave a negative you will contact eBay and he will likely get NARU'd.

Either should work just fine.

 

[VandyDan]

I've asked eBay to make preemptive decisions regarding feedback extortion before, and they said they can't block a user from making feedback, and that I'd have to wait for the negative to actually be left by the buyer.

You could also email him this handy-dandy section from the US Criminal Code detailing what mail fraud is.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sec_18_00001341----000-.html

I've had a few buyers attempt the same thing with me (DC says it got there, they say it didn't). I then explain to them that if they are lying to me, what the penalties are (in the world outside eBay), and that what they are doing is actually a federal offense.

Now, I am not sure that doing what buyers like this are doing is mail fraud, but it is a message that I've sent to great effect. I'm not saying I would ever pursue such a case, but the devious buyer need not know that. Sometimes it behooves a person engaging in nefarious ebay practices that there is a world of rules and consequences outside of online auction houses.

 

[GioCollector1089]

The latest in response to me saying "Please go ahead and open up an Item Not Received claim through eBay. The cards were shipped out and delivered. I gave you the tracking number for the package already."

"Ok... Then... I'm a seller too... Im not picking a fight... They weren't received"

 

[shayscards79]

Re: I don't know how much longer I can continue to use eBay

People are idiots. When you bid or place an offer, you are agreeing to pay that amount for the item if you win. It's not an option, it's a binding contract. You break that contract, you should be removed from eBay, plain and simple. It's completely unacceptable.

If they get enough complaints and cases opened against them they will. I've gotten one buyer kicked off of eBay already.

 

[GioCollector1089]

Here is the latest response I got after getting home from work today.

"For a guy with 100% positive feedback, you're kind of a dick... I asked you to cancel the transaction and you refused... I paid and then didn't get the cards... Sounds like you may have sent something somewhere... But not the cards to me... Negative feedback is coming without a refund in the next 24 hours... Please remember you could have avoided this in a couple ways... Canceling when the buyer asks.. And actually sending the cards... And insuring the cards you do actually send"

 

[nyc3]

Here is the latest response I got after getting home from work today.

"For a guy with 100% positive feedback, you're kind of a dick... I asked you to cancel the transaction and you refused... I paid and then didn't get the cards... Sounds like you may have sent something somewhere... But not the cards to me... Negative feedback is coming without a refund in the next 24 hours... Please remember you could have avoided this in a couple ways... Canceling when the buyer asks.. And actually sending the cards... And insuring the cards you do actually send"

Do yourself a favor and ignore him. He is trying to strong arm you into refunding him. Let him open a dispute, if like you say it shows delivered you win 100% of the time. He leaves a negative and you have it removed. He is just trying to get a rise out of you with lame feedback threats.

I suspect he only paid cause this isnt his first time. He was probably about to get naru'ed if he had another npb opened.

 

[GioCollector1089]

Here is the latest response I got after getting home from work today.

"For a guy with 100% positive feedback, you're kind of a dick... I asked you to cancel the transaction and you refused... I paid and then didn't get the cards... Sounds like you may have sent something somewhere... But not the cards to me... Negative feedback is coming without a refund in the next 24 hours... Please remember you could have avoided this in a couple ways... Canceling when the buyer asks.. And actually sending the cards... And insuring the cards you do actually send"

Do yourself a favor and ignore him. He is trying to strong arm you into refunding him. Let him open a dispute, if like you say it shows delivered you win 100% of the time. He leaves a negative and you have it removed. He is just trying to get a rise out of you with lame feedback threats.

I suspect he only paid cause this isnt his first time. He was probably about to get naru'ed if he had another npb opened.

I'm honestly not over-concerned about this. I just went and told him to open up a claim against me again and that I will not be blindly refunding his payment. I just wanted to update the situation here. If anyone would like to block this clown, please PM me and I will give you his eBay handle.