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D-Lite

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How is the hand cut card a "SP"? One could argue that it was probably printed more than any single card in the set. Therefore making it an anti-SP.
But dude, didn't you read the description? Uh, it makes it pretty clear.

"However, this card is very scarce because most collectors have thrown out their boxes."


Regarding what you should do: pay it since reading the description would have fixed the issue and there's little argument about that, deceptive title or not. The seller's title is pretty much key word spamming, so maybe report that if there's some mechanism to do so?

The slightly less annoying key word spam: NON AUTO
 
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Everyone makes mistakes, in life, and on eBay.
You should not have to pay for every mistake you ever make in life, including this one.
The buyer is owning up to his mistake, the seller should do the right thing and cancel the auction.

Then how about the people who win an item and dont pay, then email the seller with some pity story about why they can't?

Most of the time we ream their ass and make a thread calling them out.

Or how about the sellers who make mistakes, yet we do the same thing?

Why shouldnt we hold people accountable for their actions?

Buyer bid, he did not read description and bought a something that ended up not being what he "thought". "Thought" is the key word there. He thought it was something else.

How is that anyone's fault but the buyers?
 

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Then how about the people who win an item and dont pay, then email the seller with some pity story about why they can't?

Most of the time we ream their ass and make a thread calling them out.

Or how about the sellers who make mistakes, yet we do the same thing?

Why shouldnt we hold people accountable for their actions?

Buyer bid, he did not read description and bought a something that ended up not being what he "thought". "Thought" is the key word there. He thought it was something else.

How is that anyone's fault but the buyers?

Because there, they are telling you a story about why they cannot pay, and you question accordingly. Here, the person is saying that they should not have to pay, due to something the seller did. The "thought" was put in his head by a nefarious seller. Anyone reading that title would have though the same, no question.

When someone messages me saying "poor me, I cannot pay", that has nothing to do with how i listed the item. It is, entirely, on their shoulders. When they message me and claim misleading, then it is partially on me to show it isn't. Let the guy here show how his title is not misleading.

Again, to the "sack up and pay" folks--your argument is that yes, the title is misleading, but a proper description can cure the buyer of deceptive intent. is that correct?
 

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Then how about the people who win an item and dont pay, then email the seller with some pity story about why they can't?

Most of the time we ream their ass and make a thread calling them out.

Or how about the sellers who make mistakes, yet we do the same thing?

Why shouldnt we hold people accountable for their actions?

Buyer bid, he did not read description and bought a something that ended up not being what he "thought". "Thought" is the key word there. He thought it was something else.

How is that anyone's fault but the buyers?

The seller created a misleading title. Thus it is primarily his fault that the transaction is not going smoothly.
 

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Again, again:

Is the seller being purposely deceitful, absolutely.

Is he a scumbag looking to profit off people not paying attention and impulse bidding, most definitely.

Is he wrong for doing so, yes.

Does it mean he is sending items not as described, no. Seller stated the card was handcut from the box and not an actual pack pulled card.

Sure, like I said, file the claim and the buyer will probably win because the seller used the words "SP" and "Auto" in the description, as someone here pointed out already.

All he will do next time is write "facsimile auto" in the description and he'll get the same effect: keyword spamming. Then, it wont be so easy to win a claim anymore.
 

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Again, again:

Is the seller being purposely deceitful, absolutely.

Is he a scumbag looking to profit off people not paying attention and impulse bidding, most definitely.

Is he wrong for doing so, yes.

Does it mean he is sending items not as described, no. Seller stated the card was handcut from the box and not an actual pack pulled card.

Sure, like I said, file the claim and the buyer will probably win because the seller used the words "SP" and "Auto" in the description, as someone here pointed out already.

All he will do next time is write "facsimile auto" in the description and he'll get the same effect: keyword spamming. Then, it wont be so easy to win a claim anymore.

Except that no one will be paying $10+ dollars for a facsimile auto.
 

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Thank you all for your comments and input. My question sure roused quite the debate. I do not care about the $15, it's not that big a deal. I just think this guy is a crum seller. If you check his completed, he sold some other cut outs and got more than the $15 for which the Howard ended.

I think I will report him HPC, thank you for the link.
 

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Don't listen to anyone saying otherwise. Of course you would get your money back. The seller implies TWICE that there is an auto on the card. Pay, get your money back and leave negative feedback.
 

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What you should do is print two photos, one of a $10 bill and the other of a $5 bill. Then cut those out and scan them. Then send him pictures of the images and say, "Here you go. Your cutout box topper for my cutout money."
 

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What you should do is print two photos, one of a $10 bill and the other of a $5 bill. Then cut those out and scan them. Then send him pictures of the images and say, "Here you go. Your cutout box topper for my cutout money."

LOL!! Please do this...
 

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Do you guys know how many times I actually read the description only to find that anywhere from 75 % to 100% is nothing more than info on how/when to pay or info on combined shipping?

A lot of times it's a waste of time to even read it if you actually want info on the card itself. I mean, this auction was a sham.
 

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