eBay ID jet0002au - Anyone recognize this ID?

[RiceLynnEvans75]

Only thing I'm wondering is does the seller agree there was a scratch on the card ? The scan does look pretty clear, but I know it will not pick up everything.

The trouble I have with situations like this is, who is to say the buyer didn't scratch the card ? Not saying that happened here, but its something to think about.

This all sums up to the reason why graded cards exist. A 3rd party to at least judge the card before you buy. I'm not sure who is in the right and wrong here. Both side have good points.

True on all counts.

In regards to the seller agreeing if there was a scratch or not, statements such as "I didn't see a scratch that warranted concern." lead me to believe that he was aware of something.

In any event, I'd say just refund and move on. One of the things I don't understand is that I see posts like this all the time on this board so I don't understand why sellers from this board still don't give detailed item descriptions knowing full well that this could happen. Though it's been over 10 years, I've sold approximately 500 items, about 125 in the past couple of months, and have never run into this matter. All my customers have been satisfied and I provide front/back scans of each card and give a description.

 

[aaron41984]

Only thing I'm wondering is does the seller agree there was a scratch on the card ? The scan does look pretty clear, but I know it will not pick up everything.

The trouble I have with situations like this is, who is to say the buyer didn't scratch the card ? Not saying that happened here, but its something to think about.

This all sums up to the reason why graded cards exist. A 3rd party to at least judge the card before you buy. I'm not sure who is in the right and wrong here. Both side have good points.

True on all counts.

In regards to the seller agreeing if there was a scratch or not, statements such as "I didn't see a scratch that warranted concern." lead me to believe that he was aware of something.

In any event, I'd say just refund and move on. One of the things I don't understand is that I see posts like this all the time on this board so I don't understand why sellers from this board still don't give detailed item descriptions knowing full well that this could happen. Though it's been over 10 years, I've sold approximately 500 items, about 125 in the past couple of months, and have never run into this matter. All my customers have been satisfied and I provide front/back scans of each card and give a description.

I have contacted the buyer and the situation will be resolved. I didn't look at the card as closely as I should have. For that I take fault. I did not notice a surface imperfection that made me stop to look at it closer. I have seen quite a few 09 Chrome Draft auto's and they seem to have a common theme of surface issues, not justifying but only stating fact. If asked, I have no problem giving a card a second look and closer examination but I will definitely be making sure to take the proper precautions from here on out. One thing I know is if everyone expected every card to come out of a pack in pristine form, there would be no reason for grading and the premiums that graded cards command.

 

[bouwob]

The customer is always right (even when they are wrong).

Not saying that jet was wrong or that aaron is right. What I can say is that 95% of the time paypal will side with the bidder and if so, the bidder will likely leave a negative. Better just to take the upper hand and provided the refund after the card is returned and move on with your life.

 

[jcmint]

cards with surface scratch which most do have falls under nr-mt-mint. even a casual chrome buyer knows that year is prone to minor scratches.

Surface scratches are commonplace on 2010 Bowman Chrome cards. There wasn't anything I did to make the card in worse condtition then when it was pulled from the pack. My item description says all cards nr-mt or better.

Its obvious I am not the only person that was discouraged by how the transaction went.

But, as a seller, the only persons opinion that should matter is the buyers.

And although surface scratches are more common this year, it is still NOT a charesteristic of a pack fresh, nr-mt or better card. It's a card that came out of a pack with surface damage. It should be listed as such by any seller with integrity.

 

[ballerskrip]

cards with surface scratch which most do have falls under nr-mt-mint. even a casual chrome buyer knows that year is prone to minor scratches.

Surface scratches are commonplace on 2010 Bowman Chrome cards. There wasn't anything I did to make the card in worse condtition then when it was pulled from the pack. My item description says all cards nr-mt or better.

Its obvious I am not the only person that was discouraged by how the transaction went.

But, as a seller, the only persons opinion that should matter is the buyers.

And although surface scratches are more common this year, it is still NOT a charesteristic of a pack fresh, nr-mt or better card. It's a card that came out of a pack with surface damage. It should be listed as such by any seller with integrity.

agreed 100%, if you are only looking for Gems on ebay, then you might as well stop buying there. Almost every card I buy on ebay has more flaws than what is described.....But you know what, I DEAL WITH IT. Because buying RAW cards site unseen is a crap shoot and I expect them to have flaws. I suggest you do the same.

 

[Rickzcards]

I would think that with the internet/Ebay being around as long as it has, everyone should know by now that a scan will not show every single minor flaw that a card has.
My feelings lean towards the seller here.
If you are that particular with the cards you purchase, either buy graded cards or buy your cards in person where you can inspect it to your satisfaction rather than over the internet.
With that said it's up to you how you deal with this. Refund his money and move on or stand your ground. Is it worth taking a chance Paypal will side with him?
Regardless I'm glad you posted this because I intend to block this Ebayer.
Nothing personal against the buyer, I just don't want to deal with nitpicky buyers.
One man's NM/MT is another man's Paypal chargeback.
My feelings with purchasing anything over the internet, phone or newspaper sight useen.......buyer beware.
David

And that right there sums it up. None of us are card graders and none of us are perfect and list every little flaw. None. You want flawless cards then buy graded only.

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

I would think that with the internet/Ebay being around as long as it has, everyone should know by now that a scan will not show every single minor flaw that a card has.
My feelings lean towards the seller here.
If you are that particular with the cards you purchase, either buy graded cards or buy your cards in person where you can inspect it to your satisfaction rather than over the internet.
With that said it's up to you how you deal with this. Refund his money and move on or stand your ground. Is it worth taking a chance Paypal will side with him?
Regardless I'm glad you posted this because I intend to block this Ebayer.
Nothing personal against the buyer, I just don't want to deal with nitpicky buyers.
One man's NM/MT is another man's Paypal chargeback.
My feelings with purchasing anything over the internet, phone or newspaper sight useen.......buyer beware.
David

And that right there sums it up. None of us are card graders and none of us are perfect and list every little flaw. None. You want flawless cards then buy graded only.

Or the seller could just be honest and say what is wrong with the card. Anyone with common sense knows that not everything shows up in a scan and also knows that since the potential buyer CAN'T have it in their hand to look at, maybe some decent customer service would be to list a flaw that someone might not like. It takes all of 5 seconds.

I see multiple threads of people stating to block buyers because they want a refund due to the seller's own garbage description. But it is apparent that deceit by omission is OK with some and some sellers on here can't own up to the problem originating with them. ::facepalm::

 

[jcmint]

I would think that with the internet/Ebay being around as long as it has, everyone should know by now that a scan will not show every single minor flaw that a card has.
My feelings lean towards the seller here.
If you are that particular with the cards you purchase, either buy graded cards or buy your cards in person where you can inspect it to your satisfaction rather than over the internet.
With that said it's up to you how you deal with this. Refund his money and move on or stand your ground. Is it worth taking a chance Paypal will side with him?
Regardless I'm glad you posted this because I intend to block this Ebayer.
Nothing personal against the buyer, I just don't want to deal with nitpicky buyers.
One man's NM/MT is another man's Paypal chargeback.
My feelings with purchasing anything over the internet, phone or newspaper sight useen.......buyer beware.
David

And that right there sums it up. None of us are card graders and none of us are perfect and list every little flaw. None. You want flawless cards then buy graded only.

Or the seller could just be honest and say what is wrong with the card. Anyone with common sense knows that not everything shows up in a scan and also knows that since the potential buyer CAN'T have it in their hand to look at, maybe some decent customer service would be to list a flaw that someone might not like. It takes all of 5 seconds.

I see multiple threads of people stating to block buyers because they want a refund due to the seller's own garbage description. But it is apparent that deceit by omission is OK with some and some sellers on here can't own up to the problem originating with them. ::facepalm::

No one lists Minor surface scratches in their auctions it is basically understood that majority of these have some minor scratches.

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

I would think that with the internet/Ebay being around as long as it has, everyone should know by now that a scan will not show every single minor flaw that a card has.
My feelings lean towards the seller here.
If you are that particular with the cards you purchase, either buy graded cards or buy your cards in person where you can inspect it to your satisfaction rather than over the internet.
With that said it's up to you how you deal with this. Refund his money and move on or stand your ground. Is it worth taking a chance Paypal will side with him?
Regardless I'm glad you posted this because I intend to block this Ebayer.
Nothing personal against the buyer, I just don't want to deal with nitpicky buyers.
One man's NM/MT is another man's Paypal chargeback.
My feelings with purchasing anything over the internet, phone or newspaper sight useen.......buyer beware.
David

And that right there sums it up. None of us are card graders and none of us are perfect and list every little flaw. None. You want flawless cards then buy graded only.

Or the seller could just be honest and say what is wrong with the card. Anyone with common sense knows that not everything shows up in a scan and also knows that since the potential buyer CAN'T have it in their hand to look at, maybe some decent customer service would be to list a flaw that someone might not like. It takes all of 5 seconds.

I see multiple threads of people stating to block buyers because they want a refund due to the seller's own garbage description. But it is apparent that deceit by omission is OK with some and some sellers on here can't own up to the problem originating with them. ::facepalm::

No one lists Minor surface scratches in their auctions it is basically understood that majority of these have some minor scratches.

Apparently the only people who think it is "understood" are the sellers since buyers want to return the items.

If there is a scratch, which is a flaw, it should be noted otherwise a blanket statement of "see the scan" is useless. To assume that everyone believes it is understood for scratches to be present is just a way for a seller to justify not putting the flaw in there.

Again, all these situations can be avoided if the sellers actually put a whole extra 10 seconds into an auction. If buyers are expected to just expect scratches on the card, then the seller had better just accept that they are going to get returns when they don't disclose the flaw. Why the seller should think otherwise is beyond me.

 

[Rickzcards]

I would think that with the internet/Ebay being around as long as it has, everyone should know by now that a scan will not show every single minor flaw that a card has.
My feelings lean towards the seller here.
If you are that particular with the cards you purchase, either buy graded cards or buy your cards in person where you can inspect it to your satisfaction rather than over the internet.
With that said it's up to you how you deal with this. Refund his money and move on or stand your ground. Is it worth taking a chance Paypal will side with him?
Regardless I'm glad you posted this because I intend to block this Ebayer.
Nothing personal against the buyer, I just don't want to deal with nitpicky buyers.
One man's NM/MT is another man's Paypal chargeback.
My feelings with purchasing anything over the internet, phone or newspaper sight useen.......buyer beware.
David

And that right there sums it up. None of us are card graders and none of us are perfect and list every little flaw. None. You want flawless cards then buy graded only.

Or the seller could just be honest and say what is wrong with the card. Anyone with common sense knows that not everything shows up in a scan and also knows that since the potential buyer CAN'T have it in their hand to look at, maybe some decent customer service would be to list a flaw that someone might not like. It takes all of 5 seconds.

I see multiple threads of people stating to block buyers because they want a refund due to the seller's own garbage description. But it is apparent that deceit by omission is OK with some and some sellers on here can't own up to the problem originating with them. ::facepalm::

No one lists Minor surface scratches in their auctions it is basically understood that majority of these have some minor scratches.

Apparently the only people who think it is "understood" are the sellers since buyers want to return the items.

If there is a scratch, which is a flaw, it should be noted otherwise a blanket statement of "see the scan" is useless. To assume that everyone believes it is understood for scratches to be present is just a way for a seller to justify not putting the flaw in there.

Again, all these situations can be avoided if the sellers actually put a whole extra 10 seconds into an auction. If buyers are expected to just expect scratches on the card, then the seller had better just accept that they are going to get returns when they don't disclose the flaw. Why the seller should think otherwise is beyond me.

Well then let's have your ebay ID. I'll bet that you don't use a graders loupe and list every little thing in your descriptions.

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

[quote="David T.":19wbhwze]I would think that with the internet/Ebay being around as long as it has, everyone should know by now that a scan will not show every single minor flaw that a card has.
My feelings lean towards the seller here.
If you are that particular with the cards you purchase, either buy graded cards or buy your cards in person where you can inspect it to your satisfaction rather than over the internet.
With that said it's up to you how you deal with this. Refund his money and move on or stand your ground. Is it worth taking a chance Paypal will side with him?
Regardless I'm glad you posted this because I intend to block this Ebayer.
Nothing personal against the buyer, I just don't want to deal with nitpicky buyers.
One man's NM/MT is another man's Paypal chargeback.
My feelings with purchasing anything over the internet, phone or newspaper sight useen.......buyer beware.
David

And that right there sums it up. None of us are card graders and none of us are perfect and list every little flaw. None. You want flawless cards then buy graded only.

Or the seller could just be honest and say what is wrong with the card. Anyone with common sense knows that not everything shows up in a scan and also knows that since the potential buyer CAN'T have it in their hand to look at, maybe some decent customer service would be to list a flaw that someone might not like. It takes all of 5 seconds.

I see multiple threads of people stating to block buyers because they want a refund due to the seller's own garbage description. But it is apparent that deceit by omission is OK with some and some sellers on here can't own up to the problem originating with them. ::facepalm::

No one lists Minor surface scratches in their auctions it is basically understood that majority of these have some minor scratches.

Apparently the only people who think it is "understood" are the sellers since buyers want to return the items.

If there is a scratch, which is a flaw, it should be noted otherwise a blanket statement of "see the scan" is useless. To assume that everyone believes it is understood for scratches to be present is just a way for a seller to justify not putting the flaw in there.

Again, all these situations can be avoided if the sellers actually put a whole extra 10 seconds into an auction. If buyers are expected to just expect scratches on the card, then the seller had better just accept that they are going to get returns when they don't disclose the flaw. Why the seller should think otherwise is beyond me.

Well then let's have your ebay ID. I'll bet that you don't use a graders loupe and list every little thing in your descriptions.[/quote:19wbhwze]

No, I don't use a graders loupe as I'm not a "professional" grader. However, yes I do list every little thing possible, include a front AND back scan, and will knock the grade a little lower if need be so that I don't run into this scenario. It's called taking responsibility and taking care of the customer. Maybe that's why I've never had someone want to return an item or ask for a refund because I'm honest about the product I'm selling and I know how I would want to be treated if I was on the buying end of the card.

 

[Rickzcards]

[quote="Rickzcards":26dnbkkg][quote="David T.":26dnbkkg]I would think that with the internet/Ebay being around as long as it has, everyone should know by now that a scan will not show every single minor flaw that a card has.
My feelings lean towards the seller here.
If you are that particular with the cards you purchase, either buy graded cards or buy your cards in person where you can inspect it to your satisfaction rather than over the internet.
With that said it's up to you how you deal with this. Refund his money and move on or stand your ground. Is it worth taking a chance Paypal will side with him?
Regardless I'm glad you posted this because I intend to block this Ebayer.
Nothing personal against the buyer, I just don't want to deal with nitpicky buyers.
One man's NM/MT is another man's Paypal chargeback.
My feelings with purchasing anything over the internet, phone or newspaper sight useen.......buyer beware.
David

And that right there sums it up. None of us are card graders and none of us are perfect and list every little flaw. None. You want flawless cards then buy graded only.

Or the seller could just be honest and say what is wrong with the card. Anyone with common sense knows that not everything shows up in a scan and also knows that since the potential buyer CAN'T have it in their hand to look at, maybe some decent customer service would be to list a flaw that someone might not like. It takes all of 5 seconds.

I see multiple threads of people stating to block buyers because they want a refund due to the seller's own garbage description. But it is apparent that deceit by omission is OK with some and some sellers on here can't own up to the problem originating with them. ::facepalm::

No one lists Minor surface scratches in their auctions it is basically understood that majority of these have some minor scratches.

Apparently the only people who think it is "understood" are the sellers since buyers want to return the items.

If there is a scratch, which is a flaw, it should be noted otherwise a blanket statement of "see the scan" is useless. To assume that everyone believes it is understood for scratches to be present is just a way for a seller to justify not putting the flaw in there.

Again, all these situations can be avoided if the sellers actually put a whole extra 10 seconds into an auction. If buyers are expected to just expect scratches on the card, then the seller had better just accept that they are going to get returns when they don't disclose the flaw. Why the seller should think otherwise is beyond me.

Well then let's have your ebay ID. I'll bet that you don't use a graders loupe and list every little thing in your descriptions.[/quote:26dnbkkg]

No, I don't use a graders loupe as I'm not a "professional" grader. However, yes I do list every little thing possible, include a front AND back scan, and will knock the grade a little lower if need be so that I don't run into this scenario. It's called taking responsibility and taking care of the customer. Maybe that's why I've never had someone want to return an item or ask for a refund because I'm honest about the product I'm selling and I know how I would want to be treated if I was on the buying end of the card.[/quote:26dnbkkg]
I would understand if it's a huge scratch but if it's one of the many surface scratches that occur during packing, as long as it's not a big noticeable one no seller can list them all. Almost every card that has a chrome finish has them and I call BS on anyone that claims they list them all which is why I want to see your listings as I doubt that even you list every little scratch. If it's a dinged or soft corner, rough edge, or huge scratch that's one thing but like I said almost every chrome type does have manufacturer scratches. It's the nature of the card and most recognize it.

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

[quote="RiceLynnEvans75":ebfuzcqf][quote="Rickzcards":ebfuzcqf][quote="David T.":ebfuzcqf]I would think that with the internet/Ebay being around as long as it has, everyone should know by now that a scan will not show every single minor flaw that a card has.
My feelings lean towards the seller here.
If you are that particular with the cards you purchase, either buy graded cards or buy your cards in person where you can inspect it to your satisfaction rather than over the internet.
With that said it's up to you how you deal with this. Refund his money and move on or stand your ground. Is it worth taking a chance Paypal will side with him?
Regardless I'm glad you posted this because I intend to block this Ebayer.
Nothing personal against the buyer, I just don't want to deal with nitpicky buyers.
One man's NM/MT is another man's Paypal chargeback.
My feelings with purchasing anything over the internet, phone or newspaper sight useen.......buyer beware.
David

And that right there sums it up. None of us are card graders and none of us are perfect and list every little flaw. None. You want flawless cards then buy graded only.

Or the seller could just be honest and say what is wrong with the card. Anyone with common sense knows that not everything shows up in a scan and also knows that since the potential buyer CAN'T have it in their hand to look at, maybe some decent customer service would be to list a flaw that someone might not like. It takes all of 5 seconds.

I see multiple threads of people stating to block buyers because they want a refund due to the seller's own garbage description. But it is apparent that deceit by omission is OK with some and some sellers on here can't own up to the problem originating with them. ::facepalm::

No one lists Minor surface scratches in their auctions it is basically understood that majority of these have some minor scratches.

Apparently the only people who think it is "understood" are the sellers since buyers want to return the items.

If there is a scratch, which is a flaw, it should be noted otherwise a blanket statement of "see the scan" is useless. To assume that everyone believes it is understood for scratches to be present is just a way for a seller to justify not putting the flaw in there.

Again, all these situations can be avoided if the sellers actually put a whole extra 10 seconds into an auction. If buyers are expected to just expect scratches on the card, then the seller had better just accept that they are going to get returns when they don't disclose the flaw. Why the seller should think otherwise is beyond me.

Well then let's have your ebay ID. I'll bet that you don't use a graders loupe and list every little thing in your descriptions.[/quote:ebfuzcqf]

No, I don't use a graders loupe as I'm not a "professional" grader. However, yes I do list every little thing possible, include a front AND back scan, and will knock the grade a little lower if need be so that I don't run into this scenario. It's called taking responsibility and taking care of the customer. Maybe that's why I've never had someone want to return an item or ask for a refund because I'm honest about the product I'm selling and I know how I would want to be treated if I was on the buying end of the card.[/quote:ebfuzcqf]
I would understand if it's a huge scratch but if it's one of the many surface scratches that occur during packing, as long as it's not a big noticeable one no seller can list them all. Almost every card that has a chrome finish has them and I call BS on anyone that claims they list them all which is why I want to see your listings as I doubt that even you list every little scratch. If it's a dinged or soft corner, rough edge, or huge scratch that's one thing but like I said almost every chrome type does have manufacturer scratches. It's the nature of the card and most recognize it.[/quote:ebfuzcqf]

There it is. "Most" recognize it. Not "all", "most". Therefore, for a seller to protect themselves from these potential issues, wouldn't it make sense to list the flaws?

And really, just because you might not list every flaw does not mean others do not. Others put a little more effort into their listings, which really isn't that hard.

 

[brokenliz1]

A good visual inspection should show any flaws in any card a seller is putting online,,,, as a seller in todays market its a "reasonable" expectation that the we should be looking at what we are selling,,,,,, not just merely throw cards up on Ebay,,,,, that being said-- 90% of the sellers on eBay are common people who do not sell for a living-- so we should cut some slack to them,,,,,

Cards are "fillers" until graded by a major 3rd party authenticator,,,,, so we should NEVER put in any auction description a guess of card condition,,,,, its a FILLER until someone who grades for a living assigns it a numeric grade,,,,, as someone else said = one mans Nrmt is another mans PayPal dispute,,,,,,, so leave out grades unless your a former professional grader with flawless pic skills who lists every minor detail in the descriptions,,,,,,

Buyers have complaints == if its less than $10 tell them to keep the card and send the refund its just not worth arguing with a disgruntled buyer ,,,,, if its more than $10 have the buyer send it back & indicate you'll happily send the refund to them when it returns,,,,,why bother arguing with some anal OCD buyer over the semantics of should you have listed this flaw or not-- who cares ????? Just refund them,,,,,,, if they bother you as a seller just block them from future buys if desired,,,,,, and move on,,,,,,,,

Selling on eBay today is like selling everywhere else-- you'll encounter honest people with everyday complaints, and also the thieves & cons,,,,, just not worth figuring out who is who until something absolutely blatant happens where it needs to be questioned appropriately,,,,, this issue sounds like a normal run of the mill refund issue,,,,, why it needed to go public is beyond me,,,,, you may be right & you may be wrong but the damage your reputation takes is just not worth publicizing normal everyday buyer complaints,,,,,,

My opinion of course,,,,
Jeff

Well said sir.