Edwin Jackson wants 5 years/15-17 millon a year

[markakis8]

Rumor has it that he is seeking a 5 year deal worth between 15-17 million annually. He is 28 and definitely can be a GOOD pitcher...but does anyone else feel that 15-17 million a year for this guy is WAY overboard?

I'm not even sure I would give this guy 8 million a year. It seems he has great games and then awful games and, in the end, he's just a guy that will go 13-13 with a 4 ERA.

I mean what has he done in his career to warrant that contract?

 

[mredsox89]

Posted a WAR of 3.6, 3.8, 3.8 the last three seasons, all valued at over $15M

He's been the 20th best pitcher in baseball when combining the past 3 seasons, better than Beckett, Beurhle and Shields.

Will he get 5 @ 15, no. But it's not inconceivable that he gets 4 years are over $10M per season offers from multiple teams

 

[MacK]

That report is about 2 weeks old. Report came out two days ago saying his asking price had dropped, along with Kuroda and Oswalt.

 

[Original Boski]

I think at the most he'll be looking at a three (possibly four) year deal, but even that may be unlikely this late in the game.

 

[clarkfan]

Is Boras his agent???

 

[Y4NK335]

Is Boras his agent???

Yes, and MacK is correct. It has been noted that the price has come down within the past few days. Still unsure how much it has come down though.

 

[Crewfan82]

Rumor has it that he is seeking a 5 year deal worth between 15-17 million annually. He is 28 and definitely can be a GOOD pitcher...but does anyone else feel that 15-17 million a year for this guy is WAY overboard?

I'm not even sure I would give this guy 8 million a year. It seems he has great games and then awful games and, in the end, he's just a guy that will go 13-13 with a 4 ERA.

I mean what has he done in his career to warrant that contract?

An 8 walk 150+ pitch no-hitter. That means you are great right? ::facepalm::

 

[All The Hype]

I really like him, and enjoyed watching him when he was with the Tigers. I was disappointed to see him go. No way he's worth that much though, I'm thinking 8-11 mill per year might not be out of the question. He has great stuff and can be dominant, but he lacks consistency.

 

[D-Lite]

The Yanks out of the market kills his asking price.

Let the Sox pay $80MM for 6 years.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Being on *six* teams in only nine years can't help his value.

 

[vwnut13]

Is it just me or does Edwin Jackson most compare to AJ Burnett?

 

[archiebunkerjr]

Being on *six* teams in only nine years can't help his value.

This. I've never heard of him being a bad influence in the clubhouse but he's always getting traded. He was very good the first half of the year when he was with the Tigers. He kept his fastballs at the knees and he was very effective. The second half of the year he couldn't keep his fastball down and teams beat up on him.

 

[George_Calfas]

Is it just me or does Edwin Jackson most compare to AJ Burnett?

It's just you

 

[vwnut13]

Is it just me or does Edwin Jackson most compare to AJ Burnett?

It's just you

Both are 0.500 pitchers
Both are wild.
Both have good stuff....sometimes.
Both threw high walk no hitters

And Jackson has a higher career ERA.

 

[Sean_C]

I'd rather have a team with a 4 man rotation than have AJ Burnett on my team, and even I would rather have Burnett than Jackson.

 

[FromKoufaxtoEdwin]

I'd rather have a team with a 4 man rotation than have AJ Burnett on my team, and even I would rather have Burnett than Jackson.

Over the last 3 years-
A. ERA- 3.97 FIP- 3.83 XFIP- 3.54 FWAR- 11.2
B. ERA- 3.96 FIP- 3.90 XFIP- 3.93 FWAR- 11.2
C. ERA- 3.91 FIP- 4.12 XFIP- 4.34 FWAR- 10.6
D. ERA- 3.92 FIP- 4.04 XFIP- 4.07 FWAR- 10.7

A is Josh Beckett, B is Edwin Jackson, C is Mark Beurhle, and D is John Danks. Why again is not Edwin not deserving of a big contract?

People look at his career numbers and the reputation he had from his first three years in judging him now, which is ridiculous. How he pitched as a 19-23 year old is meaningless to the pitcher that he has become and how he will pitch in the future. He's not going to be a #1 guy that leads a team into the playoffs, but he will throw innings, take the ball every 5th day, and provide great value to a team.

 

[D-Lite]

I'd rather have a team with a 4 man rotation than have AJ Burnett on my team, and even I would rather have Burnett than Jackson.

Over the last 3 years-
A. ERA- 3.97 FIP- 3.83 XFIP- 3.54 FWAR- 11.2
B. ERA- 3.96 FIP- 3.90 XFIP- 3.93 FWAR- 11.2
C. ERA- 3.91 FIP- 4.12 XFIP- 4.34 FWAR- 10.6
D. ERA- 3.92 FIP- 4.04 XFIP- 4.07 FWAR- 10.7

A is Josh Beckett, B is Edwin Jackson, C is Mark Beurhle, and D is John Danks. Why again is not Edwin not deserving of a big contract?

People look at his career numbers and the reputation he had from his first three years in judging him now, which is ridiculous. How he pitched as a 19-23 year old is meaningless to the pitcher that he has become and how he will pitch in the future. He's not going to be a #1 guy that leads a team into the playoffs, but he will throw innings, take the ball every 5th day, and provide great value to a team.

Sure, there's definitely value in all of that. As one of 5 starters on any team he'd be fine, but not for big money. Why has he played for so many teams already if he's so valuable though? You have to wonder, don't you?

 

[nosterbor]

[quote="Sean_C":3hwhoyqu]I'd rather have a team with a 4 man rotation than have AJ Burnett on my team, and even I would rather have Burnett than Jackson.

Over the last 3 years-
A. ERA- 3.97 FIP- 3.83 XFIP- 3.54 FWAR- 11.2
B. ERA- 3.96 FIP- 3.90 XFIP- 3.93 FWAR- 11.2
C. ERA- 3.91 FIP- 4.12 XFIP- 4.34 FWAR- 10.6
D. ERA- 3.92 FIP- 4.04 XFIP- 4.07 FWAR- 10.7

A is Josh Beckett, B is Edwin Jackson, C is Mark Beurhle, and D is John Danks. Why again is not Edwin not deserving of a big contract?

People look at his career numbers and the reputation he had from his first three years in judging him now, which is ridiculous. How he pitched as a 19-23 year old is meaningless to the pitcher that he has become and how he will pitch in the future. He's not going to be a #1 guy that leads a team into the playoffs, but he will throw innings, take the ball every 5th day, and provide great value to a team.

Sure, there's definitely value in all of that. As one of 5 starters on any team he'd be fine, but not for big money. Why has he played for so many teams already if he's so valuable though? You have to wonder, don't you?[/quote:3hwhoyqu]
I would say none of them pitchers in that list are worth even half that. All of them have an almost 4 era. And y'all know what i think of war.

 

[FromKoufaxtoEdwin]

[quote="Sean_C":2zruu39d]I'd rather have a team with a 4 man rotation than have AJ Burnett on my team, and even I would rather have Burnett than Jackson.

Over the last 3 years-
A. ERA- 3.97 FIP- 3.83 XFIP- 3.54 FWAR- 11.2
B. ERA- 3.96 FIP- 3.90 XFIP- 3.93 FWAR- 11.2
C. ERA- 3.91 FIP- 4.12 XFIP- 4.34 FWAR- 10.6
D. ERA- 3.92 FIP- 4.04 XFIP- 4.07 FWAR- 10.7

A is Josh Beckett, B is Edwin Jackson, C is Mark Beurhle, and D is John Danks. Why again is not Edwin not deserving of a big contract?

People look at his career numbers and the reputation he had from his first three years in judging him now, which is ridiculous. How he pitched as a 19-23 year old is meaningless to the pitcher that he has become and how he will pitch in the future. He's not going to be a #1 guy that leads a team into the playoffs, but he will throw innings, take the ball every 5th day, and provide great value to a team.

Sure, there's definitely value in all of that. As one of 5 starters on any team he'd be fine, but not for big money. Why has he played for so many teams already if he's so valuable though? You have to wonder, don't you?[/quote:2zruu39d]

The easy answer is that because he started so young, his arbitration clock was running high and he was making some pretty good money without much of a track record. The Rays traded him for a solid player because they didn't want to pay him. The Tigers traded him because they got a comparable player in return (Scherzer) who made far less money. The DBacks traded him because they were out of it, they were rebuilding, and got a solid prospect in return. The White Sox traded him because he was going to be a free agent after the season and they are in rebuilding mode. When you look at each trade, it really is pretty basic and apparent why he was moved.

 

[MacK]

I'd rather have a team with a 4 man rotation than have AJ Burnett on my team, and even I would rather have Burnett than Jackson.

Over the last 3 years-
A. ERA- 3.97 FIP- 3.83 XFIP- 3.54 FWAR- 11.2
B. ERA- 3.96 FIP- 3.90 XFIP- 3.93 FWAR- 11.2
C. ERA- 3.91 FIP- 4.12 XFIP- 4.34 FWAR- 10.6
D. ERA- 3.92 FIP- 4.04 XFIP- 4.07 FWAR- 10.7

A is Josh Beckett, B is Edwin Jackson, C is Mark Beurhle, and D is John Danks. Why again is not Edwin not deserving of a big contract?

People look at his career numbers and the reputation he had from his first three years in judging him now, which is ridiculous. How he pitched as a 19-23 year old is meaningless to the pitcher that he has become and how he will pitch in the future. He's not going to be a #1 guy that leads a team into the playoffs, but he will throw innings, take the ball every 5th day, and provide great value to a team.

They really do. Edwin isn't the wild pitcher he once was (2.30+ K/BB ratio the last 3 years), and I definitely haven't seen anything about being bad in the clubhouse. He really shouldn't have be up until 2008, when he was 24. Think about that. He's only had 4 real years of being a mature pitcher, and just turned 28 at the end of the season. He's still really young and has just arrived at his peak. But you're absolutely correct, I hate how people still view him as the same pitcher he was on the Dodgers.