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DAVEPETERS239
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Thanks everyone for the response but I wanted to clear up a few things. There are quite a few people who say an autograph can be removed from an autograph card and depending on the surface of the card I do think that may be true. I do think though that if an autograph is removed it will leave some sort of damage to the card or some chemical residue that will be easily seen when being graded and the graders at BGS seem to agree with this.
I am not trying to be rude or cause trouble or anything but until I see proof of an autograph being removed and then Beckett or PSA grading it I don't believe it is possible.
Some have mentioned backdoored cards and that is possible with some of the cards I have but the two red refractors I mentioned and the Oscar Tavereas cards I mentioned are for sure not backdoor cards.
I also know for sure they are not from uncut sheets and here is why.
In the old days they would print up extras of cards like the Pujols and Hamilton without the serial numbers and then say I got a Pujols 01/25 or whatever and sent it in they would restamp my same serial number and destroy the damaged card. From what I understand now is they do not do that anymore. Topps also confirmed they were not backdoored cards with the email saying they were errors.
The Taveras cards could be considered backdoored cards or from an uncut sheet but I know this is 100% not true in either case because I did my homework on them.
I collect errors and when these started popping up awhile back I got one, then I saw another and picked up another, then another and another and another. This got me curious and I realized it was a widespread error and the cards seemed to be coming from jumbo packs. Since he was beginning to become a hot player and with so many instances of the error I thought for sure Topps would address it and Beckett would have a story about them. Well after waiting no such luck and Beckett even told me to let them know what I found out from Topps.
I even proposed a solution for Topps to take care of this mistake in an awesome way that would reward collectors who had these cards. The Press Pass card company had a problem with a driver signing his cards with an autopen. So what the company did was basically recall all the cards and offered collectors who sent them in a fresh new card with the drivers real autograph and a free box of cards and a chance to win a trip to a race. I offered Topps a similar solution where they could make a public announcement about what happened with the Taveras cards and anyone who had one would be welcome to send it in by such and such date. Topps then would take the cards and authenticate them to make sure no tampering was done to them and then have Mr. Taveras sign them in red. They could even take it a step further and have them slabbed and authenticated for the people who sent them in. Well that idea has fallen on deaf ears at Topps and was totally ignored.
I did try and am continuing to try to either get them acknowledged by Beckett as errors or get them signed by Mr Taveras in red ink without much luck so far.
As for the arod autograph error, I believe that is probably the most rare error of all time. This has been confirmed by Topps it is an error because the gentleman who owned it before me wrote into the December 2005 Beckett readers writes secton to ask a question about this card and this was the response by a Mr. Clay Luraschi.
"During production, chrome cards have a tendency to stick together. This is what most likely happened and an unknown number of unsigned cards were accidentally inserted into packs. Any collector in possession of these cards needs to contact our customer service department so we can resolve the situation."
He was commenting on this specific card so I know 100% sure it is legit and was not backdoored.
Last but not least the Scott and Huggins auctions for the sheets, I have seen those auctions and none of my cards come from those sheets.
Thanks
I am not trying to be rude or cause trouble or anything but until I see proof of an autograph being removed and then Beckett or PSA grading it I don't believe it is possible.
Some have mentioned backdoored cards and that is possible with some of the cards I have but the two red refractors I mentioned and the Oscar Tavereas cards I mentioned are for sure not backdoor cards.
I also know for sure they are not from uncut sheets and here is why.
In the old days they would print up extras of cards like the Pujols and Hamilton without the serial numbers and then say I got a Pujols 01/25 or whatever and sent it in they would restamp my same serial number and destroy the damaged card. From what I understand now is they do not do that anymore. Topps also confirmed they were not backdoored cards with the email saying they were errors.
The Taveras cards could be considered backdoored cards or from an uncut sheet but I know this is 100% not true in either case because I did my homework on them.
I collect errors and when these started popping up awhile back I got one, then I saw another and picked up another, then another and another and another. This got me curious and I realized it was a widespread error and the cards seemed to be coming from jumbo packs. Since he was beginning to become a hot player and with so many instances of the error I thought for sure Topps would address it and Beckett would have a story about them. Well after waiting no such luck and Beckett even told me to let them know what I found out from Topps.
I even proposed a solution for Topps to take care of this mistake in an awesome way that would reward collectors who had these cards. The Press Pass card company had a problem with a driver signing his cards with an autopen. So what the company did was basically recall all the cards and offered collectors who sent them in a fresh new card with the drivers real autograph and a free box of cards and a chance to win a trip to a race. I offered Topps a similar solution where they could make a public announcement about what happened with the Taveras cards and anyone who had one would be welcome to send it in by such and such date. Topps then would take the cards and authenticate them to make sure no tampering was done to them and then have Mr. Taveras sign them in red. They could even take it a step further and have them slabbed and authenticated for the people who sent them in. Well that idea has fallen on deaf ears at Topps and was totally ignored.
I did try and am continuing to try to either get them acknowledged by Beckett as errors or get them signed by Mr Taveras in red ink without much luck so far.
As for the arod autograph error, I believe that is probably the most rare error of all time. This has been confirmed by Topps it is an error because the gentleman who owned it before me wrote into the December 2005 Beckett readers writes secton to ask a question about this card and this was the response by a Mr. Clay Luraschi.
"During production, chrome cards have a tendency to stick together. This is what most likely happened and an unknown number of unsigned cards were accidentally inserted into packs. Any collector in possession of these cards needs to contact our customer service department so we can resolve the situation."
He was commenting on this specific card so I know 100% sure it is legit and was not backdoored.
Last but not least the Scott and Huggins auctions for the sheets, I have seen those auctions and none of my cards come from those sheets.
Thanks
