Evan vs. Silva raises some scoring questsions

[kdailey4315]

I think this fight highlights a clear flaw in MMA scoring. Rashad took Silva down at will and Silva would immediately yet Evans was given each round. Should Evans take downs not be scored as highly since Silva would just stand up immediately? Once on the ground Evans couldn't do anything.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

I think this fight highlights a clear flaw in MMA scoring. Rashad took Silva down at will and Silva would immediately yet Evans was given each round. Should Evans take downs not be scored as highly since Silva would just stand up immediately? Once on the ground Evans couldn't do anything.

scored perfectly, the smarter fighter won. Silva was helpless and couldnt stop evans take downs in the first two rounds, evans also hit him with a few right during those rounds were as silva may have thrown one punch that landed decently

 

[bigredmachine]

Silva should have pushed the fight earlier instead of the dancing around in the last round like he did. Evans done what he had to do and controled the fight. Silva cant talk trash no more. He ran from this fight until he had no choice but to fight.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

Silva should have pushed the fight earlier instead of the dancing around in the last round like he did. Evans done what he had to do and controled the fight. Silva cant talk trash no more. He ran from this fight until he had no choice but to fight.

yeah i found it funny how he showboated in the last round, you normally only do this when you are winning.

 

[kdailey4315]

I'm not questioning the outcome of the fight. I don't dispute the scoring at all. I'm just wondering if the fact that Silva stood up immediately after each take down should those take downs be scored differently/not as high.

 

[kdailey4315]

Silva should have pushed the fight earlier instead of the dancing around in the last round like he did. Evans done what he had to do and controled the fight. Silva cant talk trash no more. He ran from this fight until he had no choice but to fight.

yeah i found it funny how he showboated in the last round, you normally only do this when you are winning.

That was stupid. He cracked the **** out Rashad and had him on ***** street and could have finished the fight.

 

[Viking4Alpha]

LOL Rashad got BLASTED!!!!! I didn't take it as showboating really, more like a challenge. And while Silva may have "lost" the fight, Rashad lost TONS of credibility after that 3rd round. He got called out, followed by a near knock out. :lol:

I could only shake my head when he called out Rampage at the end of this fight. Kinda like this guy-----> ::facepalm::

Page would/will destroy this fool.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

LOL Rashad got BLASTED!!!!! I didn't take it as showboating really, more like a challenge. And while Silva may have "lost" the fight, Rashad lost TONS of credibility after that 3rd round. He got called out, followed by a near knock out. :lol:

I could only shake my head when he called out Rampage at the end of this fight. Kinda like this guy-----> ::facepalm::

Page would/will destroy this fool.

soo silva was calling out a guy that dominated him for two straight rounds, yeah sounds like evans lost so much credibility...he landed one good punch that caught evans and didnt even knock him out, so i guess if you like acting like a dumb@## and losing the fight than CONGRATS SILVA you did it..have fun fighting the no name they throw at you next haha

and i cant wait to see evans beat rampage

 

[Viking4Alpha]

LOL Rashad got BLASTED!!!!! I didn't take it as showboating really, more like a challenge. And while Silva may have "lost" the fight, Rashad lost TONS of credibility after that 3rd round. He got called out, followed by a near knock out. :lol:

I could only shake my head when he called out Rampage at the end of this fight. Kinda like this guy-----> ::facepalm::

Page would/will destroy this fool.

soo silva was calling out a guy that dominated him for two straight rounds, yeah sounds like evans lost so much credibility...he landed one good punch that caught evans and didnt even knock him out, so i guess if you like acting like a dumb@## and losing the fight than CONGRATS SILVA you did it..have fun fighting the no name they throw at you next haha

and i cant wait to see evans beat rampage

Ever heard of lay and pray? Obviously not. Hence the entire point of this thread. Takedowns are worth entirely too much in this unclear point system. As many have said prior to now and will continue to debate, the MMA point scoring system needs an overhaul desperately.

Like it or not, Rashad got outstruck by Thiago Silva. Rashad kept taking it to the ground because he was SCARED. You would rather call it a "smart" game plan. Others would call it surviving. He got called out after all the smothering and got straight bitch slapped.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

LOL Rashad got BLASTED!!!!! I didn't take it as showboating really, more like a challenge. And while Silva may have "lost" the fight, Rashad lost TONS of credibility after that 3rd round. He got called out, followed by a near knock out. :lol:

I could only shake my head when he called out Rampage at the end of this fight. Kinda like this guy-----> ::facepalm::

Page would/will destroy this fool.

soo silva was calling out a guy that dominated him for two straight rounds, yeah sounds like evans lost so much credibility...he landed one good punch that caught evans and didnt even knock him out, so i guess if you like acting like a dumb@## and losing the fight than CONGRATS SILVA you did it..have fun fighting the no name they throw at you next haha

and i cant wait to see evans beat rampage

Ever heard of lay and pray? Obviously not. Hence the entire point of this thread. Takedowns are worth entirely too much in this unclear point system. As many have said prior to now and will continue to debate, the MMA point scoring system needs an overhaul desperately.

Like it or not, Rashad got outstruck by Thiago Silva. Rashad kept taking it to the ground because he was SCARED. You would rather call it a "smart" game plan. Others would call it surviving. He got called out after all the smothering and got straight bitch slapped.

oh so you call doing what you have to do to win is scared and not smart....so in football when you have the ball in the fourth with the lead a team running the clock out is scared right...Its not smart to do something to win, the point of competing is trying to win right?

 

[Viking4Alpha]

LOL Rashad got BLASTED!!!!! I didn't take it as showboating really, more like a challenge. And while Silva may have "lost" the fight, Rashad lost TONS of credibility after that 3rd round. He got called out, followed by a near knock out. :lol:

I could only shake my head when he called out Rampage at the end of this fight. Kinda like this guy-----> ::facepalm::

Page would/will destroy this fool.

soo silva was calling out a guy that dominated him for two straight rounds, yeah sounds like evans lost so much credibility...he landed one good punch that caught evans and didnt even knock him out, so i guess if you like acting like a dumb@## and losing the fight than CONGRATS SILVA you did it..have fun fighting the no name they throw at you next haha

and i cant wait to see evans beat rampage

Ever heard of lay and pray? Obviously not. Hence the entire point of this thread. Takedowns are worth entirely too much in this unclear point system. As many have said prior to now and will continue to debate, the MMA point scoring system needs an overhaul desperately.

Like it or not, Rashad got outstruck by Thiago Silva. Rashad kept taking it to the ground because he was SCARED. You would rather call it a "smart" game plan. Others would call it surviving. He got called out after all the smothering and got straight bitch slapped.

oh so you call doing what you have to do to win is scared and not smart....so in football when you have the ball in the fourth with the lead a team running the clock out is scared right...Its not smart to do something to win, the point of competing is trying to win right?

Horrible analogy. The sport of mixed martial arts needs fantastic knockouts and crippling tapouts to promote further interest at this stage.. You're talking strategy in an NFL game. Maybe try a different analogy.

Again, the point you seem to purposely evading is that getting a takedown and simply smothering a guy needs to be looked at as far as the point system goes. If the the guy who takes his opponent down and does not constantly work to improve his position and effectiveness needs to be reset. This is essentially what happened tonight. (Or at least should have.) Rashad wasn't doing anything on the ground.

MMA doesn't have to be strictly striking (no **** right?) or else it wouldn't be MIXED martial arts. The problem lyes within the proper distribution of points and procedures. Possibly time limits for stagnant ground game with no signs of damaging an opponent.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

LOL Rashad got BLASTED!!!!! I didn't take it as showboating really, more like a challenge. And while Silva may have "lost" the fight, Rashad lost TONS of credibility after that 3rd round. He got called out, followed by a near knock out. :lol:

I could only shake my head when he called out Rampage at the end of this fight. Kinda like this guy-----> ::facepalm::

Page would/will destroy this fool.

soo silva was calling out a guy that dominated him for two straight rounds, yeah sounds like evans lost so much credibility...he landed one good punch that caught evans and didnt even knock him out, so i guess if you like acting like a dumb@## and losing the fight than CONGRATS SILVA you did it..have fun fighting the no name they throw at you next haha

and i cant wait to see evans beat rampage

Ever heard of lay and pray? Obviously not. Hence the entire point of this thread. Takedowns are worth entirely too much in this unclear point system. As many have said prior to now and will continue to debate, the MMA point scoring system needs an overhaul desperately.

Like it or not, Rashad got outstruck by Thiago Silva. Rashad kept taking it to the ground because he was SCARED. You would rather call it a "smart" game plan. Others would call it surviving. He got called out after all the smothering and got straight bitch slapped.

oh so you call doing what you have to do to win is scared and not smart....so in football when you have the ball in the fourth with the lead a team running the clock out is scared right...Its not smart to do something to win, the point of competing is trying to win right?

Horrible analogy. The sport of mixed martial arts needs fantastic knockouts and crippling tapouts to promote further interest at this stage.. You're talking strategy in an NFL game. Maybe try a different analogy.

Again, the point you seem to purposely evading is that getting a takedown and simply smothering a guy needs to be looked at as far as the point system goes. If the the guy who takes his opponent down and does not constantly work to improve his position and effectiveness needs to be reset. This is essentially what happened tonight. (Or at least should have.) Rashad wasn't doing anything on the ground.

MMA doesn't have to be strictly striking (no shat right?) or else it wouldn't be MIXED martial arts. The problem lyes within the proper distribution of points and procedures. Possibly time limits for stagnant ground game with no signs of damaging an opponent.

do you think evans was thinking about what the the sport of mma "needed" while he was in the ocatagon against silva trying to get another shot at the title?...NO, he was thnking about one thing and that is winning so he could get another shot at the title...and i dont fully agree with how the points are distributed when talking about striking and takedowns but the fighters know how the judges do it so the loss falls strictly on silva considering he continued to let evans take him down over and over

 

[Viking4Alpha]

Hell, I didn't ever say Silva should have won. I just think the system as per the OP had stated needs an overhaul. You might win fights like that, but when your performance sucks that badly or you can't capitolize what's left? Time wasted. Unless there are constant blows reigning down from the mount, or constant submission attempts, the boys need to be stood up. No questions asked.

This whole thing is funny to me because I was asked prior to the fights who would take it and how. I answered Rashad KO due to that speed. And then what happens after all the striking avoidance through the first 2 rounds? 3rd round, Silva raises the roof for all and puts himself right in Rashads face. Ya see, I THOUGHT Rashad was a better striker. Not tonight he wasn't. Not even close. Talk about a fighter praying to the judge's bells to end the fight. :lol:

 

[Lifelongfan]

"The sport of mixed martial arts needs fantastic knockouts and crippling tapouts to promote further interest"----Man what a stupid statement---I agree with Joe Rogen -that they should never be stood up----What you call boring--others call technique. I dont think this sport is going anywhere if every fight doesnt end in dynamic fashion----Could not disagree more with that statement...

 

[KOBEARODLT]

"The sport of mixed martial arts needs fantastic knockouts and crippling tapouts to promote further interest"----Man what a stupid statement---I agree with Joe Rogen -that they should never be stood up----What you call boring--others call technique. I dont think this sport is going anywhere if every fight doesnt end in dynamic fashion----Could not disagree more with that statement...

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[Bornagaincollector]

This is why Silva will never be a champion! He had a chance to finish Evans in the 3rd round and didn't,if he would have continued,he would have finished Evans.

I think Silva needs to check his mental game before he tries for a title shot again.

 

[Viking4Alpha]

"The sport of mixed martial arts needs fantastic knockouts and crippling tapouts to promote further interest"----Man what a stupid statement---I agree with Joe Rogen -that they should never be stood up----What you call boring--others call technique. I dont think this sport is going anywhere if every fight doesnt end in dynamic fashion----Could not disagree more with that statement...

Ok genius, where did I ever make a "boring" comment? Talk about selective comprehension skills. You are the simple definition of stupid. Try rereading the thread. The point was about effectiveness of ground game after a take down. If there is no "work" after a take down, they should be stood up. Do I need to spell it out any slower for you slow guy?

 

[Lifelongfan]

"The sport of mixed martial arts needs fantastic knockouts and crippling tapouts to promote further interest"----Man what a stupid statement---I agree with Joe Rogen -that they should never be stood up----What you call boring--others call technique. I dont think this sport is going anywhere if every fight doesnt end in dynamic fashion----Could not disagree more with that statement...

Ok genius, where did I ever make a "boring" comment? Talk about selective comprehension skills. You are the simple definition of stupid. Try rereading the thread. The point was about effectiveness of ground game after a take down. If there is no "work" after a take down, they should be stood up. Do I need to spell it out any slower for you slow guy?

Im just quoting what you said there Computer Tough Guy--because I disagree with something you say you wanna start throwing insults. It was a statement that I disagree with---Now get back in the gym and learn some technique Big Man....Slow Guy...Signing off

 

[Viking4Alpha]

"The sport of mixed martial arts needs fantastic knockouts and crippling tapouts to promote further interest"----Man what a stupid statement---I agree with Joe Rogen -that they should never be stood up----What you call boring--others call technique. I dont think this sport is going anywhere if every fight doesnt end in dynamic fashion----Could not disagree more with that statement...

Ok genius, where did I ever make a "boring" comment? Talk about selective comprehension skills. You are the simple definition of stupid. Try rereading the thread. The point was about effectiveness of ground game after a take down. If there is no "work" after a take down, they should be stood up. Do I need to spell it out any slower for you slow guy?

Im just quoting what you said there Computer Tough Guy--because I disagree with something you say you wanna start throwing insults. It was a statement that I disagree with---Now get back in the gym and learn some technique Big Man....Slow Guy...Signing off

You really are slow. :lol: Wow. You can disagree all you want, but you were the first to throw the "stupid" comments out there. And now you can't take what you dish out? Funny how that works.