Factory miscuts or aftermarket?

[mrmopar]

It used to be that a miscut was garbage. Then it became the thing for player collectors and E&V collectors to buy them. With interest and competition, comes higher prices. They also used to be somewhat unique, now it seems people (especially certain repeat sellers) just have a never ending supply of these.

I have considered the oversized bordered cards to likely be print scraps, but who knows...it is possible someone did the work to cut sheets that way for the more popular players. Now I am seeing stuff like this, and not just a stray card here and there. Bunches of them from the 80s. How hard would it be to take a relatively cheap sheet, "miscut" the stars and then sell them for a profit. It may not be worth it unless you have the right gear (to easily and accurately cut sheets down with), but it really makes me second guess and also like these a lot less than I used to. Which is too bad, because true factory errors like this had neat character. With fraud saturating into every nook and cranny of the hobby, are these BS now too?

 

[Shaggy]

Is the card you posted up one you own or looking at? Or is it just an example pic?

 

[tpeichel]

It used to be that a miscut was garbage. Then it became the thing for player collectors and E&V collectors to buy them. With interest and competition, comes higher prices. They also used to be somewhat unique, now it seems people (especially certain repeat sellers) just have a never ending supply of these.

I have considered the oversized bordered cards to likely be print scraps, but who knows...it is possible someone did the work to cut sheets that way for the more popular players. Now I am seeing stuff like this, and not just a stray card here and there. Bunches of them from the 80s. How hard would it be to take a relatively cheap sheet, "miscut" the stars and then sell them for a profit. It may not be worth it unless you have the right gear (to easily and accurately cut sheets down with), but it really makes me second guess and also like these a lot less than I used to. Which is too bad, because true factory errors like this had neat character. With fraud saturating into every nook and cranny of the hobby, are these BS now too?

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Complete BS, they just buy an uncut sheet and cut it themselves. Not hard at all.

 

[finestkind]

People will do almost anything for a extra buck. I'm not surprised.

 

[SecondToNone]

second hand information here... but a friend was told that "I'll cut it any way you want." I've opened wax with mis-cuts in there, even new stuff, but nothing that obvious.

 

[gracecollector]

I've been seeing these 40/60 miscuts pop up recently too, for products such as Post Cereal cards that I know had full sheets available. I'm not buying them, as I'm 99% sure they're recent sheet cuts. 40/60 and 50/50 cuts were very rare from the factory, but these don't pass the sniff test.

 

[banjar]

I didn't see that Garvey/Palmer on ebay, but if it's being sold by the same seller as the Grace/Sandberg:

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then it's positively an aftermarket cut. That seller actually has the gall to sell "miscuts" from 90's magazine issues. Those only came in sheets, so miscuts can only be done by somebody doing it intentionally.

 

[DonnieBaseball]

I use to buy these when they first came out but then quickly realized that the are simply sheets that are miscut on purpose. I like the oversized ones but the miscuts don’t make it into my collection.


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[finestkind]

Next the card companies will be doing it on purpose and putting them in packs.

 

[Dazed]

Complete BS, they just buy an uncut sheet and cut it themselves. Not hard at all.

I agree. When one seller currently has 3933 "Miscut" cards on eBay this is BS.

 

[DeliciousBacon]

He should get together with that ******* with all the fake plates and start making "miscut" plates.

 

[deadman31]

I see a lot of miscuts or missing foils or supposed oversized proofs. How do we really know when they are real?

 

[K34PuckettAddict]

I’m with @Donnniebaseball on this one. I bought a couple early on, but avoid them now. I still like the jumbo sheet cuts with extra stock all around as well. I don’t pay big premiums to add them though.

I’d still buy miscuts if one side was aligned with the other side being off...

That said, I love errors and the like. Some of my favorite stuff to find for my collection...


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[mrmopar]

Next the card companies will be doing it on purpose and putting them in packs.

In a way, that was done, just different flaw. Remember when Heritage had limited SP cards that were "wax/gum stain" cards. I thought that was pretty stupid, but I'm sure plenty of people scooped them up. I probably would have too, had there been any Garvey's. I have said it before, a lot of us hardcore players collectors are suckers!

 

[mrmopar]

Is the card you posted up one you own or looking at? Or is it just an example pic?

It was listed and quickly sold on ebay for $5!! then it's close to that to have it shipped, I believe. I offered the guy a buck for one of those types of way, way off cut cards a while back and he declined, so I won't be a customer on any of those. A rival of mine bought it, as he appears to buy just about ANYTHING Garvey related. I like to think I am open to anything myself (at one time I even offered to buy magazine photos of Garvey), but if these are manufactured on purpose, then that crosses the line.

 

[autocut]

Complete BS, they just buy an uncut sheet and cut it themselves. Not hard at all.

I have a 1982 Fleer uncut sheet. They are not uncommon.

 

[autocut]

I have pulled quite a few miscuts and wrong backs. Those vendors were bad about that.

 

[BucCollector]

I grabbed one of my PCs just because it was so out of register it looked like I needed 3D glasses. Can't fake that.

 

[DragonWagon]

I’m not buy it. What’s next? Take a sharpie or use an eraser and call it printer defect. No thanks. Too many people trying to take advantage of player collectors. IMO.


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[smapdi]

It's interesting how things change and how similar hobbies have completely different opinions on a topic but end up converging. Sportscards have always been about being in the best possible conditin and only a very narrow segment of collectors would be interested in anything else. Printing defects or surface scratches or whatever mean a value discount because fewer people want them.

Meanwhile, over in Magic land, a card miscut like that would have commanded a huge premium from the beginning, and that premium would be bigger than ever now. Magic cards are generally in way better condition out of the pack than sportscards, perfectly centered, solidly printed, and cleanly cut. Probably because they were meant to be played with, and at the beginning you weren't even allowed to use sleeves (they are now mandatory) so condition on average is a little diminished. With that in mind, there is not a huge discount in card pricing based on condition until you get to "damaged" or beat-up but "sleeve playable" cards.

When a print defect is found, it's often way more desirable than a mint card. Even something fairly ordinary like 80/20 centering, which is bad not terribly uncommon for baseball, is a "pimp" rarity in Magic. Magic players love playing with the rarest/most subjectively desirable copy of a card, whether it's foiled, a foreign language, a rare printing, or has some kind of production flaw. When a card is so off-center you can see another card, it's even more desirable. Magic rules allow you to play such card using whatever name is showing on the card, even if it's 90% another card. Complicating things somewhat is that uncut sheets of MTG aren't hard to obtain, being given away as prizes at big tournaments. Then, of course, people started cutting them for themselves and gaining huge profits. It got to be so bad that it became imporatant to tag such cards as "NFC" in the title on ebay and wherever, indicating "Not Factory Cut." And now that grading has become a force in the CCG world, and they are putting out multiple editions of things with fancy printing and whatnot, sold at a premium, condition is starting to matter more.