Fantasy Blockbuster Trade: I just traded Lebron

[Tomlinson21RB]

Let me preface this by saying my team right now isn't good. I evaluated my team, and realized I wasn't going anywhere fast this year and other than Lebron and Brook Lopez I didn't have any keepers that I really liked. Time to do something drastic.

I traded Lebron...

I know Jack is a throw away, but the other guy was going to drop him anyway. I just got 3 good keepers for 1 good keeper, and unloaded the dead weight in Harris and Young. I'm also beginning trade talks to flip Ellis for Danny Granger and something else to help my bench. If I can do that I'd feel really good about have Granger, Martin, Lopez, Gasol, and Rose/Bargnani/E. Gordon as my 5 keepers and feel like I'm set up real well to make a 2nd half push for the playoffs.

What do you think?

 

[jdbrak]

If youre in a keeper league, awful. If not, just really bad

 

[Pine Tar]

So you honestly thought this as a good thing?? Oh my I hope your joking!

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

If youre in a keeper league, awful. If not, just really bad

How is it worse for a keeper league? I'm getting 3 legit keepers for 1. Harris sucks, Young & Dampier wouldn't be keepers, and Morrow is alright but every time he gets in the starting 5 he stops producing.

I'm not surprised to hear anyone saying it's a bad trade because I'm not sure there is a way to win a trade that you give up Lebron. However, I'd love to hear reasoning on why it's bad because I still say this sets me up better for the 2nd half and for next year.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

So you honestly thought this as a good thing?? Oh my I hope your joking!

lol, I do.

Where's the flaw in my logic?

 

[AKA Coastal]

If youre in a keeper league, awful. If not, just really bad

How is it worse for a keeper league? I'm getting 3 legit keepers for 1. Harris sucks, Young & Dampier wouldn't be keepers, and Morrow is alright but every time he gets in the starting 5 he stops producing.

I'm not surprised to hear anyone saying it's a bad trade because I'm not sure there is a way to win a trade that you give up Lebron. However, I'd love to hear reasoning on why it's bad because I still say this sets me up better for the 2nd half and for next year.

He's not having a good season ,but I don't think he's in the suck category yet. He had a rough game last night. Hoping he rebounds against the Hawks tonight. He doesn't have much to play for this season and its showing. Ellis is a beast. I like mixing up fantasy teams when things get a little stagnant.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

If youre in a keeper league, awful. If not, just really bad

How is it worse for a keeper league? I'm getting 3 legit keepers for 1. Harris sucks, Young & Dampier wouldn't be keepers, and Morrow is alright but every time he gets in the starting 5 he stops producing.

I'm not surprised to hear anyone saying it's a bad trade because I'm not sure there is a way to win a trade that you give up Lebron. However, I'd love to hear reasoning on why it's bad because I still say this sets me up better for the 2nd half and for next year.

He's not having a good season ,but I don't think he's in the suck category yet. He had a rough game last night. Hoping he rebounds against the Hawks tonight. He doesn't have much to play for this season and its showing. Ellis is a beast. I like mixing up fantasy teams when things get a little stagnant.

Yea, I'm sure Harris is better than what I've seen this year but that was my frustration with him talking. He was injured for a while, came back and shot a terrible %, and hasn't had very good assist numbers. I know you have/had a man crush so I hope you aren't offended. Those would've been fighting words if someone said that about Rondo to me!

I agree, sometimes you need to take a chance in fantasy when your team isn't going anywhere. That's what this was. The other thing I didn't mention is that this leaves me a couple spots on my bench to stream guys so I always have someone starting. Guys like Young were too good to drop, so when the 76ers weren't playing I had a hole in my lineup. I have a feeling that by streaming guys that are on hot streaks at the time I can make up for Dampier's 10/10/1.5 over 2-4 games a week.

 

[Huffamaniac]

Harris is a very solid player who is banged up and having a poor season. Young has some potential.

Gasol is a big man and getting a solid big man is always tough to do. Monte Ellis and Martin are good scorers.

I do not think you got enough for Lebron

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Harris is a very solid player who is banged up and having a poor season. Young has some potential.

Gasol is a big man and getting a solid big man is always tough to do. Monte Ellis and Martin are good scorers.

I do not think you got enough for Lebron

That's a fair assessment, and I agree I probably didn't get enough for Lebron. I don't think you can.

The way my team was built I wasn't going to win. I'm down 5-4 this week, still with Lebron and Harris to the worst team in the league who has had Chris Paul on his bench all week. I think Martin is very underrated, and could get close to 25-5-3 with a couple 3's and steals a game. Ellis has been dominating lately, and Gasol is putting up similar numbers to Dwight Howard this year without killing a fantasy team in free throw percentage. Dampier and Young have been frustrating all year, and in that category of too good to drop and not good enough to really trade. Having extra rosters spots and streaming guys I'm sure I can make up for what they would have given me. Harris will probably turn it around this year, but I was sick of him. Even on his good nights he would shoot a horrible percentage.

 

[Wes]

I think you could have done a lot better for Lebron. You didn't get anyone I would consider a first round talent. You needed to at least get his best two players in return.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

I think you could have done a lot better for Lebron. You didn't get anyone I would consider a first round talent. You needed to at least get his best two players in return.

I've been shopping Lebron for a while, and this was the best I could do. I would have much rather done a Wade + something or Melo + something, but those owners wouldn't bite. I didn't get his 2 best players, I got his three best. Actually, I got a 1st, 3rd, and 4th round pick in the trade.

 

[Anthony K.]

Let me preface this by saying my team right now isn't good. I evaluated my team, and realized I wasn't going anywhere fast this year and other than Lebron and Brook Lopez I didn't have any keepers that I really liked. Time to do something drastic.

I traded Lebron...

I know Jack is a throw away, but the other guy was going to drop him anyway. I just got 3 good keepers for 1 good keeper, and unloaded the dead weight in Harris and Young. I'm also beginning trade talks to flip Ellis for Danny Granger and something else to help my bench. If I can do that I'd feel really good about have Granger, Martin, Lopez, Gasol, and Rose/Bargnani/E. Gordon as my 5 keepers and feel like I'm set up real well to make a 2nd half push for the playoffs.

What do you think?

I've taken some time to sit back and really assess this trade.

The biggst thing about it is how much you undervalued Devin Harris.

As you have mentioned, it is pretty impossible to gt exact value for LeBron. But, had you excluded Harris from the deal, it would have been a LOT closer.

Gasol + Martin for LeBron is rather close, but I like Harris way more than Ellis and Morrow over Jack.

That said, if you can swing Ellis into Granger, the deal looks a LOT better, as it would break down as:

LeBron, Harris, Morrow, Young + Dampier

for

Gasol (Top 10), Granger (Top 10), Martin (Top 15 when he wants to be) + excess

If you make that happen, I would say you just set yourself up ridiculously for the future. Having a threesome of Granger, Martin and Gasol guarantees you two 1st rders and a late 2nd, early 3rd rder. Add to that a stud at C (Lopez) and a solid PG in Rose (I would keep him over Bargnani/Gordon for his assists), you sset yourself up pretty well for the near and long term future.

But, if you cannot pull off the Ellis deal, I would be lower on this deal.

 

[kobewoods]

isiah thomas, is that you ? didn't know you were a member of this board.

all jokes aside, that is a terrible trade on your behalf. you gave up way too much on your end of the deal.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

I've taken some time to sit back and really assess this trade.

The biggst thing about it is how much you undervalued Devin Harris.

As you have mentioned, it is pretty impossible to gt exact value for LeBron. But, had you excluded Harris from the deal, it would have been a LOT closer.

Gasol + Martin for LeBron is rather close, but I like Harris way more than Ellis and Morrow over Jack.

That said, if you can swing Ellis into Granger, the deal looks a LOT better, as it would break down as:

LeBron, Harris, Morrow, Young + Dampier

for

Gasol (Top 10), Granger (Top 10), Martin (Top 15 when he wants to be) + excess

If you make that happen, I would say you just set yourself up ridiculously for the future. Having a threesome of Granger, Martin and Gasol guarantees you two 1st rders and a late 2nd, early 3rd rder. Add to that a stud at C (Lopez) and a solid PG in Rose (I would keep him over Bargnani/Gordon for his assists), you sset yourself up pretty well for the near and long term future.

But, if you cannot pull off the Ellis deal, I would be lower on this deal.

First, thanks for actually looking at it and thinking about. I agree with most of your logic too. Letting Harris go that easy is my big regret in it, but after shopping Lebron for a while this was the best I could do. I think if Harris isn't in the deal then I think I win, no question. Young and Dampier are easily replaceable if you figure they only have 3-4 games a piece. Now I get 7 games a week from their spots by adding and dropping players. Seven games of your average waiver wire guy or a guy on a hot streak easily makes up for 3 games of Young, and same for Dampier. Morrow has been good, but not great. Very streaky, and not on a hot streak lately. So yes, Harris is the player that swings it the other way.

The thing is, looking entirely at stats and forgetting who the players are I'd end up taking a healthy Martin or Ellis over a healthy Harris any day. Let's look at last year:

FG%: Ellis 1st, Martin 3rd
FT%: Martin 1st, Ellis 2nd
3PT: Martin 1st (by a lot), Ellis 3rd
PTS: Martin 1st, Ellis 3rd
REB: Ellis 1st, Martin 2nd
AST: Ellis 2nd, Martin 3rd
STL: Ellis 2nd (by .1), Martin 3rd
BLK: All about equal
TO: I punt this category every year

Now this year (granted, Martin is a limited sample size but other than an extra 5 ppg his numbers seem to make sense with last year):

FG%: Ellis 1st, Martin 2nd
FT%: Martin 1st, Ellis 3rd
3PT: Martin 1st (by a lot), Ellis 3rd (by .1)
PTS: Martin 1st, Ellis 2nd (both by a lot)
REB: Martin 1st, Ellis 2nd
AST: Ellis 2nd (by .5), Martin 3rd
STL: Ellis 1st, Martin 2nd
BLK: All about equal
TO: I punt this category every year

So if nothing else, they're fairly close. Martin is a different type of player, but even comparing Ellis and Harris I'd take Ellis.

My big thing is if I project next years ranks, I traded a 1st and late 2nd or early 3rd rounder for a 1st, and two 2nd rounders. Again, that depends on how you rate Ellis and Harris. Ellis has scored 30 or more in 3 of his last 5 games, to average 28.7 over the last month. That's 13.4 more than Harris, while shooting almost .100 better %, with an extra steal per game, and only swapping a rebound for an assist. Unless Harris really turns it on I can't see him being ranked higher than Ellis next season.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Just did some calculations, which side of this trade would you guys prefer?
FG%/FT%---3PTM---PTS---REB---AST---ST---BLK---TO
0.467/0.813---5---88.0---28.6---17.5---6.6---4.0---10.5
0.473/0.741---5---79.8---28.8---17.0---5.6---3.4---10.8

 

[bodiaz]

I came in to this post thinking terrible trade! I am leaving thinking it was worse than I thought! Unless you get Chris Paul and Dwight Howard, it is not worth trading LeBron!

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

I came in to this post thinking terrible trade! I am leaving thinking it was worse than I thought! Unless you get Chris Paul and Dwight Howard, it is not worth trading LeBron!

Sorry, I'm glad I got a better player than Dwight Howard in the trade. I know a lot of people only look at names, but Gasol puts up close block and rebound numbers while beating Howard in scoring, and not crippling a team in FT%. There is a reason Gasol is ranked higher at the beginning of the season, ranked higher now even with missing time, and will be ranked higher next year.