Favre is the most overrated player of any sport.......

[Rickzcards]

WOW! I thought you complained because of nonfactual statements? If so, how do you get off saying Favre is one of the greatest players in any sport ever? He is barely a top 10 at his own position in his own sport! I would struggle to put him in my top 50 NFL players of all time, and he would be nowhere near my top 100 players of the 3 majors! The media blows this guy out to be much more than he ever was, and the fans love that good ole boy, just havin fun, careless style of play. That is why he is so overrated. If he ran around beating his wife like Warren Moon, he would be compared to Warren Moon, which is where he should be rated.

I've realized that you, along with some others, know NOTHING about football. You are being contrary JUST for the sake of being contrary; which also explains your zealous defense of Bonds. You just want attention, and i think you've figured that saying things that NO ONE but the most retarded of sports "fans" could agree with is a way to get it.

This is not about you not liking Favre, it's about you being one of the MOST clueless people on this board: you're being foe'd.

The only thing I'll miss is whatever retarded comback you'll have for this post...

You're probably right, he's always been like this since the old days on the BMB board. You could probably post the sky is blue and he would come on just to contradict you.

 

[RITM]

That Favre guy has certainly thrown his share of picks. I was looking at the stats last week and believe he averaged over 1 pick per game in his career.

 

[jamuser304]

WOW! I thought you complained because of nonfactual statements? If so, how do you get off saying Favre is one of the greatest players in any sport ever? He is barely a top 10 at his own position in his own sport! I would struggle to put him in my top 50 NFL players of all time, and he would be nowhere near my top 100 players of the 3 majors! The media blows this guy out to be much more than he ever was, and the fans love that good ole boy, just havin fun, careless style of play. That is why he is so overrated. If he ran around beating his wife like Warren Moon, he would be compared to Warren Moon, which is where he should be rated.

id love to know who the nine are ahead of him

Montana
Aikman
Young
Brady
Manning
Unitas
Elway
Marino
Starr
Staubach

How are you basing this list? Statistics?... because Favre beats everyone here. Championships?... because Marino never won one. And I cant believe Aikman beats out Favre on your list. The guy never threw for over 4K yards in a season. He never threw more than 23 tds in a season. He was simply a game manager for a stellar running game and defense. Thats what was winning the games for the Cowboys.

Besides Aikman, who threw 150 LESS interceptions than Favre over his career, which of the other guys on this list are you putting Favre ahead? The guy threw more picks than anybody, only once had a rating over 100 (this year, with a Super Bowl quality team), and came up short in big moments more than he came up big. I'd compare him more to a Karl Malone than a Michael Jordan though, a great player but not one of the very best ever. I'd take every guy on my list if I was starting a team over Favre.

Check Aikman's and Favre's TD:INT ratio, then come back and give me a more reasonable argument as to why Aikman is rated higher than Favre on your list. Thanks.

 

[Wes]

[quote="bodiaz":1qohebqe]WOW! I thought you complained because of nonfactual statements? If so, how do you get off saying Favre is one of the greatest players in any sport ever? He is barely a top 10 at his own position in his own sport! I would struggle to put him in my top 50 NFL players of all time, and he would be nowhere near my top 100 players of the 3 majors! The media blows this guy out to be much more than he ever was, and the fans love that good ole boy, just havin fun, careless style of play. That is why he is so overrated. If he ran around beating his wife like Warren Moon, he would be compared to Warren Moon, which is where he should be rated.

id love to know who the nine are ahead of him

Montana
Aikman
Young
Brady
Manning
Unitas
Elway
Marino
Starr
Staubach

How are you basing this list? Statistics?... because Favre beats everyone here. Championships?... because Marino never won one. And I cant believe Aikman beats out Favre on your list. The guy never threw for over 4K yards in a season. He never threw more than 23 tds in a season. He was simply a game manager for a stellar running game and defense. Thats what was winning the games for the Cowboys.

Besides Aikman, who threw 150 LESS interceptions than Favre over his career, which of the other guys on this list are you putting Favre ahead? The guy threw more picks than anybody, only once had a rating over 100 (this year, with a Super Bowl quality team), and came up short in big moments more than he came up big. I'd compare him more to a Karl Malone than a Michael Jordan though, a great player but not one of the very best ever. I'd take every guy on my list if I was starting a team over Favre.

Check Aikman's and Favre's TD:INT ratio, then come back and give me a more reasonable argument as to why Aikman is rated higher than Favre on your list. Thanks.[/quote:1qohebqe]

The most memorable moments in his career aren't game ending interceptions.

 

[hive17]

The most memorable moments in his career aren't game ending interceptions.

Then your arguement is based SOLEY on opinions and feelings and no real hard data. If that's the case, I'm fine with "agreeing to disagree" with you b/c you can't argue someone's opinion is wrong when it's not based on much of anything quantifible.

Can I assume that you feel Emmit Smith is the most overrated running back in the history of the game too? It would give me a sense of your take on this whole arguement.

 

[Wes]

The most memorable moments in his career aren't game ending interceptions.

Then your arguement is based SOLEY on opinions and feelings and no real hard data. If that's the case, I'm fine with "agreeing to disagree" with you b/c you can't argue someone's opinion is wrong when it's not based on much of anything quantifible.

Can I assume that you feel Emmit Smith is the most overrated running back in the history of the game too? It would give me a sense of your take on this whole arguement.

What are your most memorable moments of Favre's career? I wouldn't say the Favre is the most overrated, and neither is Emmitt. I'm only saying that he isn't the all time greatest and isn't in the conversation for me. Emmitt is in that same Karl Malone class to me - great player but not an all time great. Barry Sanders is still a step above, just as Montana, Manning and some of the others I listed are a full step above Favre.

 

[hive17]

The most memorable moments in his career aren't game ending interceptions.

Then your arguement is based SOLEY on opinions and feelings and no real hard data. If that's the case, I'm fine with "agreeing to disagree" with you b/c you can't argue someone's opinion is wrong when it's not based on much of anything quantifible.

Can I assume that you feel Emmit Smith is the most overrated running back in the history of the game too? It would give me a sense of your take on this whole arguement.

What are your most memorable moments of Favre's career? I wouldn't say the Favre is the most overrated, and neither is Emmitt. I'm only saying that he isn't the all time greatest and isn't in the conversation for me. Emmitt is in that same Karl Malone class to me - great player but not an all time great. Barry Sanders is still a step above, just as Montana, Manning and some of the others I listed are a full step above Favre.

Agreed, so Aikman should be on that list with Favre and Smith; the tipping point comes when you look a the fact that favre hold all the major records.

And my most memorable moment would either be the first TD he threw in the '96 Super Bowl, or the game he played against Oakland on MNF the few days after his father died.

Again, to the agree to disagree point: if you don't like Favre, you'll single out the INTs/playoffs; if you like Favre, you'll look at the records, games played, MNF moments, way he played the game, his character, or other things. There seems to be a lot more to like about Favre than there is to dislike, which is why MOST people like him, and other's who are bitter (no you per se), will pick up whatever bad things they can think of. Favre could buy the OP a new house, and some of the trolls in this post would just point out that they THINK he's doing it to garner attention for himself and no other reason.

 

[jamuser304]

[quote="tikitomoka":2qzv8vxs][quote="bodiaz":2qzv8vxs]WOW! I thought you complained because of nonfactual statements? If so, how do you get off saying Favre is one of the greatest players in any sport ever? He is barely a top 10 at his own position in his own sport! I would struggle to put him in my top 50 NFL players of all time, and he would be nowhere near my top 100 players of the 3 majors! The media blows this guy out to be much more than he ever was, and the fans love that good ole boy, just havin fun, careless style of play. That is why he is so overrated. If he ran around beating his wife like Warren Moon, he would be compared to Warren Moon, which is where he should be rated.

id love to know who the nine are ahead of him

Montana
Aikman
Young
Brady
Manning
Unitas
Elway
Marino
Starr
Staubach

How are you basing this list? Statistics?... because Favre beats everyone here. Championships?... because Marino never won one. And I cant believe Aikman beats out Favre on your list. The guy never threw for over 4K yards in a season. He never threw more than 23 tds in a season. He was simply a game manager for a stellar running game and defense. Thats what was winning the games for the Cowboys.

Besides Aikman, who threw 150 LESS interceptions than Favre over his career, which of the other guys on this list are you putting Favre ahead? The guy threw more picks than anybody, only once had a rating over 100 (this year, with a Super Bowl quality team), and came up short in big moments more than he came up big. I'd compare him more to a Karl Malone than a Michael Jordan though, a great player but not one of the very best ever. I'd take every guy on my list if I was starting a team over Favre.

Check Aikman's and Favre's TD:INT ratio, then come back and give me a more reasonable argument as to why Aikman is rated higher than Favre on your list. Thanks.[/quote:2qzv8vxs]

The most memorable moments in his career aren't game ending interceptions.[/quote:2qzv8vxs]


My most memorable moments with Aikman are of him getting knocked out of games with concussions. Moments can definitely go both ways. Favre for interceptions, and Aikman for concussions. So if you break it down even further, stats, championships, and awards are what we should base things off of. Aikman has 3 and Favre has 1 championship. However, Favre owns Aikman in every statistical record, and he has 3 MVPs. So again, how does Aikman beat out Favre?

 

[RITM]

OT, just want to say that Calhoun patch is amazing!

 

[jamuser304]

OT, just want to say that Calhoun patch is amazing!

Unfortunately, its not real

I just like to photoshop cards. This is probably my favorite....

 

[RITM]

OT, just want to say that Calhoun patch is amazing!

Unfortunately, its not real

I just like to photoshop cards. This is probably my favorite....

You have a great idea going though!

 

[Wes]

The most memorable moments in his career aren't game ending interceptions.

Then your arguement is based SOLEY on opinions and feelings and no real hard data. If that's the case, I'm fine with "agreeing to disagree" with you b/c you can't argue someone's opinion is wrong when it's not based on much of anything quantifible.

Can I assume that you feel Emmit Smith is the most overrated running back in the history of the game too? It would give me a sense of your take on this whole arguement.

What are your most memorable moments of Favre's career? I wouldn't say the Favre is the most overrated, and neither is Emmitt. I'm only saying that he isn't the all time greatest and isn't in the conversation for me. Emmitt is in that same Karl Malone class to me - great player but not an all time great. Barry Sanders is still a step above, just as Montana, Manning and some of the others I listed are a full step above Favre.

Agreed, so Aikman should be on that list with Favre and Smith; the tipping point comes when you look a the fact that favre hold all the major records.

And my most memorable moment would either be the first TD he threw in the '96 Super Bowl, or the game he played against Oakland on MNF the few days after his father died.

Again, to the agree to disagree point: if you don't like Favre, you'll single out the INTs/playoffs; if you like Favre, you'll look at the records, games played, MNF moments, way he played the game, his character, or other things. There seems to be a lot more to like about Favre than there is to dislike, which is why MOST people like him, and other's who are bitter (no you per se), will pick up whatever bad things they can think of. Favre could buy the OP a new house, and some of the trolls in this post would just point out that they THINK he's doing it to garner attention for himself and no other reason.

Fair enough on the Aikman comments. For the record, I am a big Cowboy fan, but I will say that neither Aikman or Smith belongs at the very elite level of their positions. I would also say that Favre is not there either. I only listed ten because someone said list ten. I would say there are probably 5-6 that stand above others, Manning, Marino, Montana, Brady, Unitas and possible Elway. For me Marino makes the list because he consistently had the worst teams and made them contenders and still put up elite numbers. The other's winning resumes and crunch time prowess speaks for itself.

 

[bodiaz]

I disagree about Emmitt not being elite. IMO, he is a top 5 RB of alltime. And I know I am in the minority on this, but if I was trying to build a championship team, I draft Emmitt over Barry. If I am a William Clay Ford type owner that only cares about filling the seats, and making money, and winning is secondary, than I pick Barry. I hear the excuse all the time that if Barry had the Cowboys Oline he would go for 3000 yds. That is just stupid! For one, Barry had a good offensive line when he played. Lomas Brown was in the Pro Bowl every season, and he always had Glover or Beverly at C. Secondly, Barry didn't run the same style as Emmitt so the line would not have made a difference. Emmitt's style was to slam it in the, get his 3 to 4 yds, then if something else was there he would take it. He was a move the chains spin the lock type back which you need to win championships. Barry's style was sit back in the backfield and wait for the defense to penetrate. Then he would make you miss and once he was buy you, you were not going to catch him. This style is very hard on your own defense because all of your drives will be quick, and your own defense will spend ALOT of time on the field. A typical Lions drive in those days was, 1st and 10 run to Barry -3 yds. 2nd and 13. Run to Barry no gain, 3rd and 13. Completion to Herman Moore for 9 yds. 4th and 4 punt. They would do this 2 to 3 times in a row ant then would have a drive like this. 1st and 10, handoff to Barry, 65 yard TD. Both ways you are coming off of the field to quickly! I know this will not make sense to those of you who do not understand the game, but believe me this was the case. The Lions Defensive cooridnator actually said at the time the offense scores to quickly and he was laughed out of town! He was right, common fans just don't understand the game.

 

[Viking4Alpha]

This thread gets more and more comical.

Now Emmitt wasn't an elite back? You can think that Barry was the better back, no worries there but WOW, now we've moved on to Emmitt not being a top RB? Really?

 

[hive17]

This thread gets more and more comical.

Now Emmitt wasn't an elite back? You can think that Barry was the better back, no worries there but WOW, now we've moved on to Emmitt not being a top RB? Really?

No disrepect to Smith, but he doesn't crack the top 5, and neither does Favre. But they are top 10 for sure. I was using Smith as a way to argue favre back into the Top-10, which the other poster had him out of.

LeRoy Butler said it best: "Favre may not even be the best Top-10 quarterbacks of all time, but he's probably the best 'football' player of all time."

 

[KOBEARODLT]

This thread gets more and more comical.

Now Emmitt wasn't an elite back? You can think that Barry was the better back, no worries there but WOW, now we've moved on to Emmitt not being a top RB? Really?

No disrepect to Smith, but he doesn't crack the top 5, and neither does Favre. But they are top 10 for sure. I was using Smith as a way to argue favre back into the Top-10, which the other poster had him out of.

LeRoy Butler said it best: "Favre may not even be the best Top-10 quarterbacks of all time, but he's probably the best 'football' player of all time."

im sorry but they are 100 percent top 5 players

 

[19braves77]

"Favre may not even be the best Top-10 quarterbacks of all time, but he's probably the best 'football' player of all time."

Thats like saying Brittney Spears is a poor singer but a great entertainer. Favre is entertaining to watch until things go bad then he shuts down. I could think of ten other Qb's I would want to have the ball in their hands before Favre in the last two minutes of a tied football game.

 

[hive17]

"Favre may not even be the best Top-10 quarterbacks of all time, but he's probably the best 'football' player of all time."

Thats like saying Brittney Spears is a poor singer but a great entertainer. Favre is entertaining to watch until things go bad then he shuts down. I could think of ten other Qb's I would want to have the ball in their hands before Favre in the last two minutes of a tied football game.

Please make that list; we need more proof that you don't know much about football.

 

[Viking4Alpha]

"Favre may not even be the best Top-10 quarterbacks of all time, but he's probably the best 'football' player of all time."

Thats like saying Brittney Spears is a poor singer but a great entertainer. Favre is entertaining to watch until things go bad then he shuts down. I could think of ten other Qb's I would want to have the ball in their hands before Favre in the last two minutes of a tied football game.

Please make that list; we need more proof that you don't know much about football.

But 19braves77 is a "beast of football knowledge" I thought? :lol:

 

[jamuser304]

"Favre may not even be the best Top-10 quarterbacks of all time, but he's probably the best 'football' player of all time."

Thats like saying Brittney Spears is a poor singer but a great entertainer. Favre is entertaining to watch until things go bad then he shuts down. I could think of ten other Qb's I would want to have the ball in their hands before Favre in the last two minutes of a tied football game.

First of all, you need a quarterback that can keep up with the game to even worry about the last 2 minutes. Kyle Orton rarely throws interceptions, but can he make plays? Not as often as Favre. You are just looking at one end of the spectrum, and need to focus in on it as a whole. Looking at stats, wins, starts, attitude, awards, etc, he is hands down a top ten quarterback. Its similar to me saying Barry Sanders is not a top ten running back because he never won a super bowl and didnt show much in the playoffs. Randy Moss is not a top ten WR because he never won a super bowl or Cris Carter is not a top 10 WR because he had drug and alcohol abuse. Its all just one aspect of the person, and when you look at it in a whole, they are all top 10 players at their position.