Fedor wins by knockout

[Guest]

HAHA! Nice.

 

[HPC]

I dont mean lucky as in "he threw his fist out there and it happened to hit andrei and KO him".

I mean lucky as in "if andrei hadnt been so stupid it wouldnt have happened"

I still would rather see a rematch than a fight with him and Barnett.

I dont know, to me, Barnett is (as is every other competitor) in a lose-lose. If Josh tries to beat Fedor on the ground, He will more than likely be submitted fast, as even the weight differential isnt enough to compete with Fedor's subs, and if he tries to stand and fight with him, I see another Sylvia happening.

Andrei figured out what a potential weakness is, so I guess we'll have to see how Josh will attempt to go about it.

Josh beat the hell out of Gilbert, and he looked impressive, but i'd still like to see if Andrei could beat him in a second try

 

[Ty Hope]

I dont mean lucky as in "he threw his fist out there and it happened to hit andrei and KO him".

I mean lucky as in "if andrei hadnt been so stupid it wouldnt have happened"

I still would rather see a rematch than a fight with him and Barnett.

I dont know, to me, Barnett is (as is every other competitor) in a lose-lose. If Josh tries to beat Fedor on the ground, He will more than likely be submitted fast, as even the weight differential isnt enough to compete with Fedor's subs, and if he tries to stand and fight with him, I see another Sylvia happening.

Andrei figured out what a potential weakness is, so I guess we'll have to see how Josh will attempt to go about it.

Josh beat the hell out of Gilbert, and he looked impressive, but i'd still like to see if Andrei could beat him in a second try

I really think that Fedor is going to win, but I've been saying for years that Barnett is the guy that would give Fedor the most potential trouble. Personally, I think Fedor would win by stikes or a decision though, as Barnett's ground game is one of the best in mma. He almost subbed Nog with a knee bar, and the only reason he didn't was because the bell rang.
This match makes perfect sense though. Josh is a top 5 HW (I have him at 3).

 

[HPC]

True Ty.

I actually think Barnett is #2 after the performance he put on

1) Fedor
2) Barnett
3) Frank Mir
4) Andrei
5) Brock

 

[nborton]

The thing is, if they can keep it going (they have some backers with deep pockets) they could eventually suck in most of the good fighters. Just like in all sports money talks, and if they are willing to pay up the fighters will switch. If somehow they can get Couture it will make a huge statement. Even though he is toward the end of his career, it's more of a statement name than anything, and will help bring in fans. It's just as much about name recognition as talent in MMA as far as drawing the fans. It's the same reason De La Hoya fights still draw tons of PPV even though he is at the end of his career.

While they do have deep pockets there is only so long a business can go before they decide that losing tons of money just isn't worth it. Bringing in more top fighters would just increase their costs that much more. I don't know if their figures are anything like Elite XC's were but Elite had much smaller fighter payouts I believe and were something like $50 million in the hole after only a couple of shows. Regardless of how much money they have backing them, figures like that are hard to stomach.

I'll admit it, I would be happier if Affliction failed. While they seem to do well by their fighters I don't like the idea of having multiple organizations "diluting" the talent pool. Its greedy to say that I want all the top fighters in the world to all be in one organization and I realize that it won't ever happen but that's what I want.

I agree to some extent that it's better for the fans to have all the guys together. However, on the other hand the exclusivity of UFC has it's downside too.

I realize this is probably a dream, but it would be cool to see each league become like teams. Then each league would put their team of fighters up against other leagues in championship events. Then during the course of the year each league could have fights to determine who would be the top fighters in their respective weight classes within their own league. Then at the end of the year, there could be one event that matches all the top guys from each respective league against each other. One league would win the overall championship, and each guy would win a belt too.

The UFC might have a leg up at first, but if the leagues were operating like teams, the newer leagues could sign up and coming guys to longer deals when they aren't quite at the top yet.

 

[HPC]

The thing is, if they can keep it going (they have some backers with deep pockets) they could eventually suck in most of the good fighters. Just like in all sports money talks, and if they are willing to pay up the fighters will switch. If somehow they can get Couture it will make a huge statement. Even though he is toward the end of his career, it's more of a statement name than anything, and will help bring in fans. It's just as much about name recognition as talent in MMA as far as drawing the fans. It's the same reason De La Hoya fights still draw tons of PPV even though he is at the end of his career.

While they do have deep pockets there is only so long a business can go before they decide that losing tons of money just isn't worth it. Bringing in more top fighters would just increase their costs that much more. I don't know if their figures are anything like Elite XC's were but Elite had much smaller fighter payouts I believe and were something like $50 million in the hole after only a couple of shows. Regardless of how much money they have backing them, figures like that are hard to stomach.

I'll admit it, I would be happier if Affliction failed. While they seem to do well by their fighters I don't like the idea of having multiple organizations "diluting" the talent pool. Its greedy to say that I want all the top fighters in the world to all be in one organization and I realize that it won't ever happen but that's what I want.

I agree to some extent that it's better for the fans to have all the guys together. However, on the other hand the exclusivity of UFC has it's downside too.

I realize this is probably a dream, but it would be cool to see each league become like teams. Then each league would put their team of fighters up against other leagues in championship events. Then during the course of the year each league could have fights to determine who would be the top fighters in their respective weight classes within their own league. Then at the end of the year, there could be one event that matches all the top guys from each respective league against each other. One league would win the overall championship, and each guy would win a belt too.

The UFC might have a leg up at first, but if the leagues were operating like teams, the newer leagues could sign up and coming guys to longer deals when they aren't quite at the top yet.

While this sounds good in theory, It has already happened, and because the UFC can afford to pay guys top dollar, the little and newer organizations failed.

Elite XC, IFL, BoDog, etc, all crashed and burned for one reason or another.

I too would like to see top guys in the UFC, namely Fedor, but, I like the idea of having more competition around because it forces companies to make a better product and in turn creates more demand for fighters on their brand, and wont allow the UFC to use their in perpetuity clauses, etc.

Affliction is good for the sport and its growing, because now UFC is being forced to admit (although in the same fashion as a root canal) that there are other brands that are out there and other fighters that arent under their contracts that are better than what they have.

 

[Guest]

I dont mean lucky as in "he threw his fist out there and it happened to hit andrei and KO him".

I mean lucky as in "if andrei hadnt been so stupid it wouldnt have happened"

I still would rather see a rematch than a fight with him and Barnett.

I dont know, to me, Barnett is (as is every other competitor) in a lose-lose. If Josh tries to beat Fedor on the ground, He will more than likely be submitted fast, as even the weight differential isnt enough to compete with Fedor's subs, and if he tries to stand and fight with him, I see another Sylvia happening.

Andrei figured out what a potential weakness is, so I guess we'll have to see how Josh will attempt to go about it.

Josh beat the hell out of Gilbert, and he looked impressive, but i'd still like to see if Andrei could beat him in a second try

I really think that Fedor is going to win, but I've been saying for years that Barnett is the guy that would give Fedor the most potential trouble. Personally, I think Fedor would win by stikes or a decision though, as Barnett's ground game is one of the best in mma. He almost subbed Nog with a knee bar, and the only reason he didn't was because the bell rang.
This match makes perfect sense though. Josh is a top 5 HW (I have him at 3).

Don't be hyping him up too much. Because pretty soon you'll be having the jackasses saying "Well...if he was so great he'd still be in the UFC" like they do with Fedor. Not that Fedor was ever in the UFC, but you know what I mean.

Some people refuse to believe that there is MMA outside of the Zuffa umbrella. And the majority of those ass clowns would have no idea what that last sentence means.

 

[nborton]

The thing is, if they can keep it going (they have some backers with deep pockets) they could eventually suck in most of the good fighters. Just like in all sports money talks, and if they are willing to pay up the fighters will switch. If somehow they can get Couture it will make a huge statement. Even though he is toward the end of his career, it's more of a statement name than anything, and will help bring in fans. It's just as much about name recognition as talent in MMA as far as drawing the fans. It's the same reason De La Hoya fights still draw tons of PPV even though he is at the end of his career.

While they do have deep pockets there is only so long a business can go before they decide that losing tons of money just isn't worth it. Bringing in more top fighters would just increase their costs that much more. I don't know if their figures are anything like Elite XC's were but Elite had much smaller fighter payouts I believe and were something like $50 million in the hole after only a couple of shows. Regardless of how much money they have backing them, figures like that are hard to stomach.

I'll admit it, I would be happier if Affliction failed. While they seem to do well by their fighters I don't like the idea of having multiple organizations "diluting" the talent pool. Its greedy to say that I want all the top fighters in the world to all be in one organization and I realize that it won't ever happen but that's what I want.

I agree to some extent that it's better for the fans to have all the guys together. However, on the other hand the exclusivity of UFC has it's downside too.

I realize this is probably a dream, but it would be cool to see each league become like teams. Then each league would put their team of fighters up against other leagues in championship events. Then during the course of the year each league could have fights to determine who would be the top fighters in their respective weight classes within their own league. Then at the end of the year, there could be one event that matches all the top guys from each respective league against each other. One league would win the overall championship, and each guy would win a belt too.

The UFC might have a leg up at first, but if the leagues were operating like teams, the newer leagues could sign up and coming guys to longer deals when they aren't quite at the top yet.

While this sounds good in theory, It has already happened, and because the UFC can afford to pay guys top dollar, the little and newer organizations failed.

Elite XC, IFL, BoDog, etc, all crashed and burned for one reason or another.

I too would like to see top guys in the UFC, namely Fedor, but, I like the idea of having more competition around because it forces companies to make a better product and in turn creates more demand for fighters on their brand, and wont allow the UFC to use their in perpetuity clauses, etc.

Affliction is good for the sport and its growing, because now UFC is being forced to admit (although in the same fashion as a root canal) that there are other brands that are out there and other fighters that arent under their contracts that are better than what they have.

Most of these guys outside of UFC are signed on basically a fight by fight basis right? Or more like a few fight basis I mean. I think to really compete long term they need to pay a multi-year contract not multi-fight. That way they can over pay at the time for a young up and comer, but will have him locked in later.

So guys would have a base salary with fight bonuses on top. It could be things like big PPV numbers, to number of fights, or anything really that helps bring in money.

Something else I think they need to do is get away from PPV. There are enough good fighters and good match ups to put on great events for regular TV. I just think PPV really limits the popularity of any sport, not just MMA or boxing.

 

[Ty Hope]

True Ty.

I actually think Barnett is #2 after the performance he put on

1) Fedor
2) Barnett
3) Frank Mir
4) Andrei
5) Brock

I have no problem with those rankings at all. Pretty much spot on.

 

[Ty Hope]

As for those who don't like Affliction, think about what they are doing with the WAMMA belt. A belt for ALL OF MMA, and all organizatons!! How is that not perfect for the sport?

 

[nborton]

As for those who don't like Affliction, think about what they are doing with the WAMMA belt. A belt for ALL OF MMA, and all organizatons!! How is that not perfect for the sport?

I like that too. I'm no UFC hater, but just someone who realizes that there is MMA outside of it that does live up to, and in some cases surpasses UFC.

 

[HPC]

The thing is, if they can keep it going (they have some backers with deep pockets) they could eventually suck in most of the good fighters. Just like in all sports money talks, and if they are willing to pay up the fighters will switch. If somehow they can get Couture it will make a huge statement. Even though he is toward the end of his career, it's more of a statement name than anything, and will help bring in fans. It's just as much about name recognition as talent in MMA as far as drawing the fans. It's the same reason De La Hoya fights still draw tons of PPV even though he is at the end of his career.

While they do have deep pockets there is only so long a business can go before they decide that losing tons of money just isn't worth it. Bringing in more top fighters would just increase their costs that much more. I don't know if their figures are anything like Elite XC's were but Elite had much smaller fighter payouts I believe and were something like $50 million in the hole after only a couple of shows. Regardless of how much money they have backing them, figures like that are hard to stomach.

I'll admit it, I would be happier if Affliction failed. While they seem to do well by their fighters I don't like the idea of having multiple organizations "diluting" the talent pool. Its greedy to say that I want all the top fighters in the world to all be in one organization and I realize that it won't ever happen but that's what I want.

I agree to some extent that it's better for the fans to have all the guys together. However, on the other hand the exclusivity of UFC has it's downside too.

I realize this is probably a dream, but it would be cool to see each league become like teams. Then each league would put their team of fighters up against other leagues in championship events. Then during the course of the year each league could have fights to determine who would be the top fighters in their respective weight classes within their own league. Then at the end of the year, there could be one event that matches all the top guys from each respective league against each other. One league would win the overall championship, and each guy would win a belt too.

The UFC might have a leg up at first, but if the leagues were operating like teams, the newer leagues could sign up and coming guys to longer deals when they aren't quite at the top yet.

While this sounds good in theory, It has already happened, and because the UFC can afford to pay guys top dollar, the little and newer organizations failed.

Elite XC, IFL, BoDog, etc, all crashed and burned for one reason or another.

I too would like to see top guys in the UFC, namely Fedor, but, I like the idea of having more competition around because it forces companies to make a better product and in turn creates more demand for fighters on their brand, and wont allow the UFC to use their in perpetuity clauses, etc.

Affliction is good for the sport and its growing, because now UFC is being forced to admit (although in the same fashion as a root canal) that there are other brands that are out there and other fighters that arent under their contracts that are better than what they have.

Most of these guys outside of UFC are signed on basically a fight by fight basis right? Or more like a few fight basis I mean. I think to really compete long term they need to pay a multi-year contract not multi-fight. That way they can over pay at the time for a young up and comer, but will have him locked in later.

So guys would have a base salary with fight bonuses on top. It could be things like big PPV numbers, to number of fights, or anything really that helps bring in money.

Something else I think they need to do is get away from PPV. There are enough good fighters and good match ups to put on great events for regular TV. I just think PPV really limits the popularity of any sport, not just MMA or boxing.

I think this debate will depend on personal preference. I would prefer to see guys move between companies and promotions rather be locked into a contract with one--see Randy Couture.

Instead of multi year deals, a fight by fight basis (or 3/5/6 fights) makes it easier for a fighter to do this. It gives more attention to the fighter too, since if he wins 5 fights in a row, he can leave his company and go to a new one where he can fight new competition. The UFC has stopped this from happening, and it has destroyed their heavyweight and middleweight divisons the most. Because the UFC wants more than anything to sign fighters to exclusivity, they have ruined their chances of acquiring outside fighters who say, "I dont want to give my rights and life away to them, screw em".

The HW and Middleweight divison lacks new talent, and also has a tough time trying to repackage old fights as new and exciting. Seriously, how many times can you take the Anderson Silva vs. Rich Franklin fight? Or how about the Frank Mir vs. Nogueira or the Brock vs Couture fights?....even worse (as much as I like both these guys) the Chuck and Randy fights? (those are just examples, but you get the jist). Theres no new talent, and it gets tiring seeing the same fights over and over for no good reason.

This is what I am afraid of the most, and will be a factor to MMA's demise if they dont change it. Their champions dont get beat, and they never get new guys to face. How long can Silva hold onto the Middleweight Title? You have to hope it doesnt become like boxing where there are 4 Heavyweight champions and Lennox Lewis hasnt been beaten in 4 years, not to mention both Klitchkos'.

I really would like to see UFC and the WAMMA partner up and create a system that works, but it wont happen.

My last point is about PPV compared to TV. It works for WWE but wont work for MMA. The reason is because of the fact that WWE guys are signed to contracts, and they can fight weekly, where as to sign enough MMA fighters to be able to fight on TV 2 to 3 times a month is never gonna happen. Plus, it makes more demand for watching it. Honestly, if it was on every week, I dont know if I would watch it all the time, since it ruins the commodity of MMA, and I would still probably buy the PPV's.

 

[nborton]

[quote="nborton":2w20z5ld]
The thing is, if they can keep it going (they have some backers with deep pockets) they could eventually suck in most of the good fighters. Just like in all sports money talks, and if they are willing to pay up the fighters will switch. If somehow they can get Couture it will make a huge statement. Even though he is toward the end of his career, it's more of a statement name than anything, and will help bring in fans. It's just as much about name recognition as talent in MMA as far as drawing the fans. It's the same reason De La Hoya fights still draw tons of PPV even though he is at the end of his career.

While they do have deep pockets there is only so long a business can go before they decide that losing tons of money just isn't worth it. Bringing in more top fighters would just increase their costs that much more. I don't know if their figures are anything like Elite XC's were but Elite had much smaller fighter payouts I believe and were something like $50 million in the hole after only a couple of shows. Regardless of how much money they have backing them, figures like that are hard to stomach.

I'll admit it, I would be happier if Affliction failed. While they seem to do well by their fighters I don't like the idea of having multiple organizations "diluting" the talent pool. Its greedy to say that I want all the top fighters in the world to all be in one organization and I realize that it won't ever happen but that's what I want.

I agree to some extent that it's better for the fans to have all the guys together. However, on the other hand the exclusivity of UFC has it's downside too.

I realize this is probably a dream, but it would be cool to see each league become like teams. Then each league would put their team of fighters up against other leagues in championship events. Then during the course of the year each league could have fights to determine who would be the top fighters in their respective weight classes within their own league. Then at the end of the year, there could be one event that matches all the top guys from each respective league against each other. One league would win the overall championship, and each guy would win a belt too.

The UFC might have a leg up at first, but if the leagues were operating like teams, the newer leagues could sign up and coming guys to longer deals when they aren't quite at the top yet.

While this sounds good in theory, It has already happened, and because the UFC can afford to pay guys top dollar, the little and newer organizations failed.

Elite XC, IFL, BoDog, etc, all crashed and burned for one reason or another.

I too would like to see top guys in the UFC, namely Fedor, but, I like the idea of having more competition around because it forces companies to make a better product and in turn creates more demand for fighters on their brand, and wont allow the UFC to use their in perpetuity clauses, etc.

Affliction is good for the sport and its growing, because now UFC is being forced to admit (although in the same fashion as a root canal) that there are other brands that are out there and other fighters that arent under their contracts that are better than what they have.

Most of these guys outside of UFC are signed on basically a fight by fight basis right? Or more like a few fight basis I mean. I think to really compete long term they need to pay a multi-year contract not multi-fight. That way they can over pay at the time for a young up and comer, but will have him locked in later.

So guys would have a base salary with fight bonuses on top. It could be things like big PPV numbers, to number of fights, or anything really that helps bring in money.

Something else I think they need to do is get away from PPV. There are enough good fighters and good match ups to put on great events for regular TV. I just think PPV really limits the popularity of any sport, not just MMA or boxing.

I think this debate will depend on personal preference. I would prefer to see guys move between companies and promotions rather be locked into a contract with one--see Randy Couture.

Instead of multi year deals, a fight by fight basis (or 3/5/6 fights) makes it easier for a fighter to do this. It gives more attention to the fighter too, since if he wins 5 fights in a row, he can leave his company and go to a new one where he can fight new competition. The UFC has stopped this from happening, and it has destroyed their heavyweight and middleweight divisons the most. Because the UFC wants more than anything to sign fighters to exclusivity, they have ruined their chances of acquiring outside fighters who say, "I dont want to give my rights and life away to them, screw em".

The HW and Middleweight divison lacks new talent, and also has a tough time trying to repackage old fights as new and exciting. Seriously, how many times can you take the Anderson Silva vs. Rich Franklin fight? Or how about the Frank Mir vs. Nogueira or the Brock vs Couture fights?....even worse (as much as I like both these guys) the Chuck and Randy fights? (those are just examples, but you get the jist). Theres no new talent, and it gets tiring seeing the same fights over and over for no good reason.

This is what I am afraid of the most, and will be a factor to MMA's demise if they dont change it. Their champions dont get beat, and they never get new guys to face. How long can Silva hold onto the Middleweight Title? You have to hope it doesnt become like boxing where there are 4 Heavyweight champions and Lennox Lewis hasnt been beaten in 4 years, not to mention both Klitchkos'.

I really would like to see UFC and the WAMMA partner up and create a system that works, but it wont happen.

My last point is about PPV compared to TV. It works for WWE but wont work for MMA. The reason is because of the fact that WWE guys are signed to contracts, and they can fight weekly, where as to sign enough MMA fighters to be able to fight on TV 2 to 3 times a month is never gonna happen. Plus, it makes more demand for watching it. Honestly, if it was on every week, I dont know if I would watch it all the time, since it ruins the commodity of MMA, and I would still probably buy the PPV's.[/quote:2w20z5ld]

Good points all around. Only signing for a few fights almost negates the necessity of a league.

 

[Guest]

If there are only two Affliction cards this calander year I am going to be pissed. ESPECIALLY if I have to wait until the end of the year for Fedor/Barnett.

 

[Ty Hope]

If there are only two Affliction cards this calander year I am going to be pissed. ESPECIALLY if I have to wait until the end of the year for Fedor/Barnett.

Either guy could potentially fight in Japan earlier too.