HoustonTeams4Me
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Snyper said:HoustonTeams4Me said:Daltonb1219 said:
I could understand the "slight" pause for thought on this if it were A.Collie you were talking about on the Colts (& it would only be a "slight" pause & then I'd step back to reality & start Jennings), but you are asking about Garcon who has been phased out in the last game because Peyton was going to Collie instead. Collie very well could be the #2 WR even when A.Gonzalez returns & while Garcon impressed with his speed several weeks back, the K.Walter/W.Welkerish A.Collie is the option that the Colts & Peyton Manning should favor from here on out. (Now watch the Colts veer off of the pattern which they've shown & go heavy to Garcon this week! :lol: But if you look at target's & reception's, Garcon has never topped 3 all season whereas Collie has caught 6 & 8 passes the past 2 weeks!
Edit: Also, Jennings caught 6 passes for 64 yds just this past weekend so I'm not sure where you came up with the "Jennings isn't getting the ball whatsoever" statement???
You must not watch much Colts ball. There IS NO #2. Yeah, maybe on paper prior to the game. And if there was, that man would be Dallas Clark. Collie had the hot hand for one game and you're ready to crown him? The kid is good, but your whole "Collie is the true #2" on that team is both assinine and lost on me.
Peyton spreads that ball around so much that there really are no consistencies in targets from game to game. (The exception being Wayne, Clark, and Addai/Brown.)
Finally, back to your attempted "point" on Jenning's last game. Tell me something, would you be satisfied with 6 points from a WR1? Really? :lol: Because I would love to whoop your ass in any of my leagues.
The bottom line is that the absolute safe pick is Jennings. (I have Jennings in a few of my leagues as well, but would not stop from considering the fact that it is the DONALD DRIVER show in Green Bay this season.) While Jennings is the "safe" pick (not even that all things considered), Garcon has the higher ceiling.
FF is won on gutsy picks and predictions, not always what looks pretty on paper.
Whoaaaa, slow down there champ...There's no need in getting all wound up because I pointed out that you were wrong when you said "Jennings just hasn't been getting the ball whatsoever"!
This thread was written by a member in an attempt to seek out help/suggestion's from his peer's as to which WR he should start in fantasy football, the least we can do is provide him with information that is correct, no? Since you took the time to write out a response directed towards me I will have the decency to do the same, while trying to locate where this train came off the track's. So let's take a look at your response above & see where the two of us don't see eye-to-eye:
You wrote: "You must not watch much Colts ball. There IS NO #2. Yeah, maybe on paper prior to the game. And if there was, that man would be Dallas Clark. Collie had the hot hand for one game and you're ready to crown him? The kid is good, but your whole "Collie is the true #2" on that team is both assinine and lost on me."
My response: Honestly I do not watch alot of Colts ball, just as I do not watch alot of many team's across the NFL (I watch whichever games are afforded to me by my local channel's & ESPN), "BUT" I do monitor the real-time stat sheet's, along with the play-by-play, the overall final stat's, & Many-Many-MANY fantasy article's, individual player info page's, NFL/Fantasy site's, etc. (couple that with the fact I've been playing fantasy sport's before the internet was popular & I'd like to think I have a decent understanding of the game both real & fantasy)! When you say: "There is NO #2", are you kidding? Every team in the NFL has a #2, and the fact that I am saying that the #2 on the Colts team is Dallas Clark should show you that you might have overlooked the fact that in my response, I clearly wrote: "Collie very well could be the #2 WR even when A.Gonzalez returns (I wrote Wide Receiver, last time I checked Dallas Clark was a Tight End...No where did I state that Collie is or would be the #2 "Target" & I definitely never crowned him though it was 2 recent good game's, not 1).
You wrote: "Peyton spreads that ball around so much that there really are no consistencies in targets from game to game. (The exception being Wayne, Clark, and Addai/Brown.)"
My response: Correct, Peyton does spread the ball around & in the past 2 games here is what the reception's look like amongst his target's:
Oct 4th vs. Seattle:
D. Clark 8rec 80yds
R. Wayne 6rec 74yds 1TD
P. Garcon 3rec 71yds
A. Collie 6rec 65yds 1TD
J. Addai 7rec 50yds
D. Brown 1rec 13yds
Oct 11th vs Tennessee:
A. Collie 8rec 97yds 2TD's
D. Clark 9rec 77yds
R. Wayne 6rec 60yds 1TD
J. Addai 10rec 53yds
D. Brown 2rec 13yds
P. Garcon 1rec 9yds
For a total of the following (over the past 2 game's):
R.Wayne- 12rec, 134yds, 2TD's
D.Clark- 17 rec, 157yds
J.Addai- 17 rec, 103 yds
A.Collie- 14 rec, 162yds, 3TD's
P.Garcon- 4 rec, 80yds
D.Brown- 3 rec, 26 yds
The above shows me that the recent trend points to P.Manning favoring Collie moreso than that of Garcon, & in fantasy sport's this is the kind of stuff you need to look at & take account of when trying to figure out the future production of each player. It is not an exact science & there is no way of "knowing" what's going to happen any given week, but you take what the stat's give you & try to read into where each particular fantasy player fits into thier particular offensive scheme of things... combine all of this with the tidbit's you collect (as to who the coach or quarterback is favoring or talking about during the previous week) & then guesstimate who's the better play. I cannot fathom starting a team's #4 or #5 receiving option (in Garcon) over that of a team's #1 receiving option (in Jennings), as it just makes no sense!
You wrote: "Finally, back to your attempted "point" on Jenning's last game. Tell me something, would you be satisfied with 6 points from a WR1? Really? :lol: Because I would love to whoop your ass in any of my leagues."
My response: My attempted "point" on Jennings last game was nothing more than me stating a stone-cold "FACT"! There was no attempt at anything other than disproving your previous statement that "Jennings just hasn't been getting the ball whatsoever"...He caught 6 passes for 64yds..."FACT"! So, would I be satisfied with 6 points from a WR1??? "YES", I most certainly would given the alternative in who we are discussing here (whom is Garcon) was on a bye & would offer your team 0 points! I'll take 6 points to 0 points everyday of the week!
As I am sure you are aware, any given week your #1WR can have a day off & hurt your fantasy team, though this is not what is up for debate here! We are speaking solely on the premise of starting either G.Jennings or P.Garcon at WR, & my stance is I'd start Jennings in a heart beat & without much wasted thought doing so!
You wrote: "The bottom line is that the absolute safe pick is Jennings. (I have Jennings in a few of my leagues as well, but would not stop from considering the fact that it is the DONALD DRIVER show in Green Bay this season.) While Jennings is the "safe" pick (not even that all things considered), Garcon has the higher ceiling."
My response: Although D.Driver has proven to be more productive thus far you have to take into consideration that G.Jennings is the team's #1WR & will continue to be unless of injury or suspension. He will draw tougher matchup's & allow D.Driver to draw man coverage more often than not, but this is directing our conversation away from the topic at hand; which is still who would you start over G.Jennings or P.Garcon (whereas in no way, shape, or form does your next statement hold any water whatsoever)....You honestly believe "Garcon has the higher ceiling"??? That in & of itself is just plain wrong, I'm not sure how long you've been playing fantasy sport's or watching football for that matter but G.Jennings has far & away a higher ceiling, with also the likelihood of reaching that ceiling week in & week out!
You wrote: "FF is won on gutsy picks and predictions, not always what looks pretty on paper."
My response: Fantasy Football is won by making sound judgements & playing it smart when considering statistic's & probabilities! Gutsy pick's & prediction's will only get you as far as the so-called "luck" behind them paying off....The underlying belly of the beast in fantasy sport's is Statistic's & Probabilities, you look at the likelihood of production based on past stat's from the individual player, the team they play for, the team's overall offense/defense, thier weekly opponent's offense & defense (considering output offensively & defensively from thier past/recent past), where they are playing, & the condition's they are playing in (I'm sure I'm leaving out several other variables but you get what I'm saying, I'm sure). Basically it is the "Smart" play that win's fantasy football, if you call that "Playing It Safe" then it is what it is...Benching an elite #1WR in favor of a rookie WR who is the team's #4 or #5 offensive receiving option at best is the opposite of a "Smart Play"!
Sorry for the long read but I wanted to prove my point since it seems you mistook most all of what I wrote in my initial post!
Good Luck in fantasy FB...
Oh, & what "it might be saying" is I back my comment's up with fact's...not like your initial response "Jennings just hasn't been getting the ball whatsoever" which you pulled from your arse! :lol:
