Football is more important than Crime apparantly

[Longoriafan3]

Just thought I'd share what is going on in my area recently. I'll try to keep this as short as I can. Wayne Hills, a school here in Northern New Jersey is one of the best football schools in the state. The head coach is Chris Olsen, father of Panthers TE Greg Olsen who played there several years ago. Recently a group of 9 boys on the football team went to a party on a Friday night, left that party only to beat up two kids on the streets from a rival school in the area. One of the two kids was beat unconcious and left in the middle of the street. The 9 kids were arrested, however only one of the legal age of 18. The other 8 can't be publically named. They all played last Friday in the 1st round of states, when the incident occurred the week before. After numerous complaints by schools, parents, etc, yesterday afternoon the 9 were suspended for the remainder of the State Playoffs. However, a board meeting was held last night where 60+ football players from Wayne Hills and the coach Chris Olsen attended. Olsen gave a speech trying to convince the board to overturn the ruling, and they did. So apparantly the whole "Crime before football" issue that occurred at Penn State is completely being forgotten here. Now, a friend of mine tweeted comparing this incident to the Penn State incident. Greg Olsen felt the need to respond saying

"WH has won plenty. This is about doing right thing. And u comparing this to years of sex abuse to kids at PSU is sad"

How is letting kids who left a kid unconcious in the middle of the street play football the "right thing to do". I used to have respect for Olsen being a NJ high school athlete but this is just absurd. I saw a previous tweet Olsen had made to somebody else about how these kids should be allowed to play until proven guilty. So I as well tweeted to him comparing how Joe Paterno got fired even though he was not convicted of a crime. This was his response to that

"ur comparing covering up years of child sex abuse to HS kids fighting and one kid spreading false allegations? Wow"

Just don't get it because last time I checked leaving someone in the street unconcious is not "HS kids fighting", thats just flat out assault.

So thats my rant, hopefully a few people read and have their opinion

EDIT: Here are a couple articles

http://www.northjersey.com/topstories/w ... ayers.html

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/11/ ... community/

 

[TiajuanaDonkey]

don't know how high schools are like where you're from...but kids getting knocked out in high school was pretty normal where I'm from...actually....it seems pretty common everywhere...just look up some videos on youtube. Now do I think it's right? Absolutely not. Do I think the kids involved should be punished? Yes. Suspended from school? Yes. If the suspension causes them to miss all of their classes on game day they shouldn't be allowed to play...but comparing this to the Penn State situation is ridiculous....this isn't even close to whats going on in Penn State.

 

[mstng99tim]

So you're saying the kids are guilty until proven innocent, is that correct? Just because JoePa got fired that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.

Do you think the other 2 kids should be in trouble too? Do you know for sure who started the fight? Just because it was 9 on 2, that doesn't mean that one of the 9 started it.

 

[Longoriafan3]

So you're saying the kids are guilty until proven innocent, is that correct? Just because JoePa got fired that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.

Do you think the other 2 kids should be in trouble too? Do you know for sure who started the fight? Just because it was 9 on 2, that doesn't mean that one of the 9 started it.

Articles state that the group of 9 kids approached the 2 kids and started attacking them

 

[Longoriafan3]

don't know how high schools are like where you're from...but kids getting knocked out in high school was pretty normal where I'm from...actually....it seems pretty common everywhere...just look up some videos on youtube. Now do I think it's right? Absolutely not. Do I think the kids involved should be punished? Yes. Suspended from school? Yes. If the suspension causes them to miss all of their classes on game day they shouldn't be allowed to play...but comparing this to the Penn State situation is ridiculous....this isn't even close to whats going on in Penn State.

I'm not saying it is exactly like it, the point by making the comparison is that if a crime is committed, you should serve a punishment. These kids are representing their school by playing football. Football is a privlidge not a right.

 

[mstng99tim]

don't know how high schools are like where you're from...but kids getting knocked out in high school was pretty normal where I'm from...actually....it seems pretty common everywhere...just look up some videos on youtube. Now do I think it's right? Absolutely not. Do I think the kids involved should be punished? Yes. Suspended from school? Yes. If the suspension causes them to miss all of their classes on game day they shouldn't be allowed to play...but comparing this to the Penn State situation is ridiculous....this isn't even close to whats going on in Penn State.

I'm not saying it is exactly like it, the point by making the comparison is that if a crime is committed, you should serve a punishment. These kids are representing their school by playing football. Football is a privlidge not a right.

So then let the justice system handle it. Suspending them with only the word of the 2 other kids isn't fair. Unless there were witnesses do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 9 attacked them first?

 

[TiajuanaDonkey]

don't know how high schools are like where you're from...but kids getting knocked out in high school was pretty normal where I'm from...actually....it seems pretty common everywhere...just look up some videos on youtube. Now do I think it's right? Absolutely not. Do I think the kids involved should be punished? Yes. Suspended from school? Yes. If the suspension causes them to miss all of their classes on game day they shouldn't be allowed to play...but comparing this to the Penn State situation is ridiculous....this isn't even close to whats going on in Penn State.

I'm not saying it is exactly like it, the point by making the comparison is that if a crime is committed, you should serve a punishment. These kids are representing their school by playing football. Football is a privlidge not a right.

you'll lose the arguement every time by even bringing up Penn State...using it as even being just a little similar to back up your opinion is gonna turn people off from seeing things the way you do....the fact that they play football has nothing to do with the crime and them running into players from a rival team is just coincidental...like I said...they should be punished...suspended from school and if the length of the suspension causes them to miss school the day of the game...then yes...they shouldn't be allowed to play in THAT game...but keeping them out of the remainder of the State Playoffs is overboard....kids will be kids...kids get knocked out all of the time.

 

[Card Magnet]

High schools don't always have the right to punish a kid when events happen outside of the school or a school event. Unless there was a set of rules to adhere to outside of school and the football program, the school shouldn't have any right to punish them, because the other kids might not be telling the whole truth.

Olsen wasn't involved, responsible, or informed with intent he would take action pertaining to this incident. It's nothing like Penn State, imo. Olsen is sticking up for his players whom are under fire from two kids from a rival school. That's nowhere near the depth of evidence of the Penn State scandal. If the kids were found to be guilty and he still backed them up, then that would be a problem.

And as someone said earlier; kids will be kids. It was pretty common when I was in school in the early 2000s for kids from our school to fight with kids in a rival school (mainly just during football and basketball season). Bones were broken, kids were knocked out, and we all went about our respective business the next day like nothing happened. If somebody was seriously hurt, they got treated and 'have no idea who it was' that fought them.

 

[Longoriafan3]

High schools don't always have the right to punish a kid when events happen outside of the school or a school event. Unless there was a set of rules to adhere to outside of school and the football program, the school shouldn't have any right to punish them, because the other kids might not be telling the whole truth.

Olsen wasn't involved, responsible, or informed with intent he would take action pertaining to this incident. It's nothing like Penn State, imo. Olsen is sticking up for his players whom are under fire from two kids from a rival school. That's nowhere near the depth of evidence of the Penn State scandal. If the kids were found to be guilty and he still backed them up, then that would be a problem.

And as someone said earlier; kids will be kids. It was pretty common when I was in school in the early 2000s for kids from our school to fight with kids in a rival school (mainly just during football and basketball season). Bones were broken, kids were knocked out, and we all went about our respective business the next day like nothing happened. If somebody was seriously hurt, they got treated and 'have no idea who it was' that fought them.

I think you are missing the point, this wasn't just "high school kids fighting" this was assault, and unless you are going to tell me the poor kid who was unconscious in the middle of the street beat himself up, those 9 Wayne Hills kids were responsible

 

[ffgameman]

don't know how high schools are like where you're from...but kids getting knocked out in high school was pretty normal where I'm from...actually....it seems pretty common everywhere...just look up some videos on youtube. Now do I think it's right? Absolutely not. Do I think the kids involved should be punished? Yes. Suspended from school? Yes. If the suspension causes them to miss all of their classes on game day they shouldn't be allowed to play...but comparing this to the Penn State situation is ridiculous....this isn't even close to whats going on in Penn State.

I'm not saying it is exactly like it, the point by making the comparison is that if a crime is committed, you should serve a punishment. These kids are representing their school by playing football. Football is a privlidge not a right.

So then let the justice system handle it. Suspending them with only the word of the 2 other kids isn't fair. Unless there were witnesses do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 9 attacked them first?

Even if the other two kids DID provoke it, it's still 9 against 2.

No wonder many of our professional millionaire athletes don't follow the rules of society. It is ingrained in them from high school that sports are more important than the real word.

 

[Card Magnet]

High schools don't always have the right to punish a kid when events happen outside of the school or a school event. Unless there was a set of rules to adhere to outside of school and the football program, the school shouldn't have any right to punish them, because the other kids might not be telling the whole truth.

Olsen wasn't involved, responsible, or informed with intent he would take action pertaining to this incident. It's nothing like Penn State, imo. Olsen is sticking up for his players whom are under fire from two kids from a rival school. That's nowhere near the depth of evidence of the Penn State scandal. If the kids were found to be guilty and he still backed them up, then that would be a problem.

And as someone said earlier; kids will be kids. It was pretty common when I was in school in the early 2000s for kids from our school to fight with kids in a rival school (mainly just during football and basketball season). Bones were broken, kids were knocked out, and we all went about our respective business the next day like nothing happened. If somebody was seriously hurt, they got treated and 'have no idea who it was' that fought them.

I think you are missing the point, this wasn't just "high school kids fighting" this was assault, and unless you are going to tell me the poor kid who was unconscious in the middle of the street beat himself up, those 9 Wayne Hills kids were responsible

Well no **** the kid didn't beat himself up; some other kid did or set it in motion. And that's what kids do all across America. It's not right, but that's just how kids are, and I think it gets worse with each progressive generation. Fighting happens, kids get knocked out, life goes on.

Also, who's to say that the kid who got knocked out didn't start the whole thing, or that maybe he took a few hits and fell, getting knocked out when he hit the pavement? These things happen. It's part of growing up in today's society, which is a damn shame, but it's just how things go down. There's no way to prevent it.

You just have to investigate the truth, do your best to discourage it in the future, and move on. But you can't jump on anyone without digging through to find the best truth you can. It would be a travesty to deny these kids (and the school) the chance to succeed in the playoffs based on allegations, and to then have them turn out to be nothing more than a half truth. If it's investigated and these kids are guilty, then take them out back and take a belt to their asses, metaphorically speaking. Even still, unless there's some kind of code of conduct laid out with the school for sport participation relating to out of school incidents, can the school even step in?

 

[TiajuanaDonkey]

High schools don't always have the right to punish a kid when events happen outside of the school or a school event. Unless there was a set of rules to adhere to outside of school and the football program, the school shouldn't have any right to punish them, because the other kids might not be telling the whole truth.

Olsen wasn't involved, responsible, or informed with intent he would take action pertaining to this incident. It's nothing like Penn State, imo. Olsen is sticking up for his players whom are under fire from two kids from a rival school. That's nowhere near the depth of evidence of the Penn State scandal. If the kids were found to be guilty and he still backed them up, then that would be a problem.

And as someone said earlier; kids will be kids. It was pretty common when I was in school in the early 2000s for kids from our school to fight with kids in a rival school (mainly just during football and basketball season). Bones were broken, kids were knocked out, and we all went about our respective business the next day like nothing happened. If somebody was seriously hurt, they got treated and 'have no idea who it was' that fought them.

I think you are missing the point, this wasn't just "high school kids fighting" this was assault, and unless you are going to tell me the poor kid who was unconscious in the middle of the street beat himself up, those 9 Wayne Hills kids were responsible

I'm sure the kid who was "assaulted" didn't just sit there and let these other kids hit him...2 on 2 or 9 on 2...it's still kids fightnig...if you get into a fight out at the bar over the weekend and you knock some guy out....should your employer fire you on Monday?

 

[Longoriafan3]

http://www.northjersey.com/topstories/w ... ayers.html[/url]

 

[deceptikon1978]

[quote="Card Magnet":1dpqaj5k]High schools don't always have the right to punish a kid when events happen outside of the school or a school event. Unless there was a set of rules to adhere to outside of school and the football program, the school shouldn't have any right to punish them, because the other kids might not be telling the whole truth.

Olsen wasn't involved, responsible, or informed with intent he would take action pertaining to this incident. It's nothing like Penn State, imo. Olsen is sticking up for his players whom are under fire from two kids from a rival school. That's nowhere near the depth of evidence of the Penn State scandal. If the kids were found to be guilty and he still backed them up, then that would be a problem.

And as someone said earlier; kids will be kids. It was pretty common when I was in school in the early 2000s for kids from our school to fight with kids in a rival school (mainly just during football and basketball season). Bones were broken, kids were knocked out, and we all went about our respective business the next day like nothing happened. If somebody was seriously hurt, they got treated and 'have no idea who it was' that fought them.

I think you are missing the point, this wasn't just "high school kids fighting" this was assault, and unless you are going to tell me the poor kid who was unconscious in the middle of the street beat himself up, those 9 Wayne Hills kids were responsible

Well no **** the kid didn't beat himself up; some other kid did or set it in motion. And that's what kids do all across America. It's not right, but that's just how kids are, and I think it gets worse with each progressive generation. Fighting happens, kids get knocked out, life goes on.

Also, who's to say that the kid who got knocked out didn't start the whole thing, or that maybe he took a few hits and fell, getting knocked out when he hit the pavement? These things happen. It's part of growing up in today's society, which is a damn shame, but it's just how things go down. There's no way to prevent it.

You just have to investigate the truth, do your best to discourage it in the future, and move on. But you can't jump on anyone without digging through to find the best truth you can. It would be a travesty to deny these kids (and the school) the chance to succeed in the playoffs based on allegations, and to then have them turn out to be nothing more than a half truth. If it's investigated and these kids are guilty, then take them out back and take a belt to their asses, metaphorically speaking. Even still, unless there's some kind of code of conduct laid out with the school for sport participation relating to out of school incidents, can the school even step in?[/quote:1dpqaj5k]

Brennan knows all about this because he started a fight when he was little and then got knocked the **** out...

 

[TiajuanaDonkey]

http://www.northjersey.com/topstories/w ... ayers.html[/url][/quote:1y885hxz]

I could care less what the article says...I'm glad these kids didn't get suspended since there are people like you who are trying to use whats happening at Penn State to back your push for the suspension of these kids for the remainder of State Playoffs. Kids beating up another kid and knocking him out isn't the same as a grown man raping children.

 

[Card Magnet]

Here's the article, read it and then tell me how you feel about it

http://www.northjersey.com/topstories/w ... ayers.html

I read it, and I now feel even more in favor of the footballers getting to play until things are investigated. It's just odd that 9 kids would roll up in an SUV, jump out and beat two kids for no reason, and then drive off. There are too many holes in the story and doubts in my mind. I would expect that the two kids walking provoked the SUV to stop, or provoked the kids to get out.

Brennan knows all about this because he started a fight when he was little and then got knocked the **** out...

:lol: :lol:

 

[notjomommasclint]

my 7th grade year our high school rivals football teams bus was getting egged. the coach stopped the bus and let his players beat the **** out of the kids and their cars. no penalties, no suspensions, just an apology from the principal to our school.

fast forward to my senior year. i had quit the basketball team after after my junior season. so i was watching this fromt he stands. we roll into a town we didnt play very much and during the national anthem one of our players was laughing and talking to a player next to him. a guy in the crowd noticed and started taunting the player. the whole game this guy got the fans to mock and taunt and throw stuff at the player. so after the game which we had won the player they swore at threw things at and mocked the whole game ran in front of their bench and flipped off the fans. the main instigator (a grown man) ran onto the floor and threw a punch at a 17yr old. i clipped a guy in the side of the jaw trying to get him off of a friend. i got laid out by a monkey man. half man, half monkey, half manmonkey! it was a ******* riot! not like hahahaha laugh riot. like prison lock down crazy **** riot. they police were called teachers were grabbing fans and players alike. it turns out the guy getting the crowd all riled up was a sheriffs deputy and the guy i hit was a local cop. there were no arrests, no suspensions, no penalities... they just moved the state playoff brackets around so if both teams made it they went to different regions.

i think part of the problem with people today is the fact that they look to make things more than they are. kids are going to fight... kids are going to fight for stupid reasons... the problem is today so many people want the attention and make a plight for stopping this and stopping that... bullying this and bullying that... there needs to be a margin for error in situations where emotions are expected to be high. if guilty the kids should have to pay the hospital fees, volunteer to work with tbi adults, and take anger classes. as far as being suspended from games. if the kids didnt do it on school grounds or while representing their school there should be no suspension. if they are found guilty there wont be a need for a suspension since they will probably be in detention centers.

 

[TiajuanaDonkey]

wow Clint...looks like some cops are even bigger ******'s off duty! :lol:

 

[notjomommasclint]

wow Clint...looks like some cops are even bigger ******'s off duty! :lol:

only in auburn nebraska!

 

[David T.]

I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David