Football is more important than Crime apparantly

[TiajuanaDonkey]

I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

and it's attitudes like this that have people calling a good old fashioned ass kicking "assault"...yeah it was 9 on 2...so this case is different...but pushing for them to be suspended from football and using Penn State to back your argument is bogus.

and things have changed...were kids dunking when you were in high school or were 200+ lbs kids running sub 4.5 40 yard dashes? I don't know where you went to school...but I've been out of high school for 12 years...and I'm sure there are kids today that are stronger and faster for their age then I was back then....and if you weren't trying to knock the kid out you were fighting...you were doing it wrong...but don't blame my way of thinking or anyone elses for the way society is today....UFC is all over the place...and it's about the individual parents and how they raise their kids....I'm raising my kids the same way my dad raised me...don't start any fights...and if you're getting picked on and someone's trying to fight you...then you fight to defend yourself.

 

[notjomommasclint]

I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

most people using this logic will wait until all sides of the story are heard. most people will feel concern for their child first. then worry about the situation coming to a close via punishment.

in my opinion there is a lack of character in the country. im not saying fighting will make character rebound but standing up for yourself in situations will give you character and esteem. it may not apply to this situation but now days when kids fight one is the bully and one is the victim. its mandatory even though its not always that cut and dry. there are times when both sides are wrong. there are times when fista cuffs is the only answer. when i was younger you fought then you were friends later on. now you fight and your mom runs to the school, your dad calls the news, and they spin it for you to be the victim. then everyone gets their ******* in a *** and the sensativity police get their riot gear on.

 

[TiajuanaDonkey]

I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

most people using this logic will wait until all sides of the story are heard. most people will feel concern for their child first. then worry about the situation coming to a close via punishment.

in my opinion there is a lack of character in the country. im not saying fighting will make character rebound but standing up for yourself in situations will give you character and esteem. it may not apply to this situation but now days when kids fight one is the bully and one is the victim. its mandatory even though its not always that cut and dry. there are times when both sides are wrong. there are times when fista cuffs is the only answer. when i was younger you fought then you were friends later on. now you fight and your mom runs to the school, your dad calls the news, and they spin it for you to be the victim. then everyone gets their ******* in a *** and the sensativity police get their riot gear on.

America is getting soft...it's all a part of the Pussification of America.

 

[Longoriafan3]

I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

and it's attitudes like this that have people calling a good old fashioned ass kicking "assault"...yeah it was 9 on 2...so this case is different...but pushing for them to be suspended from football and using Penn State to back your argument is bogus.

and things have changed...were kids dunking when you were in high school or were 200+ lbs kids running sub 4.5 40 yard dashes? I don't know where you went to school...but I've been out of high school for 12 years...and I'm sure there are kids today that are stronger and faster for their age then I was back then....and if you weren't trying to knock the kid out you were fighting...you were doing it wrong...but don't blame my way of thinking or anyone elses for the way society is today....UFC is all over the place...and it's about the individual parents and how they raise their kids....I'm raising my kids the same way my dad raised me...don't start any fights...and if you're getting picked on and someone's trying to fight you...then you fight to defend yourself.

Again, do you not understand that I was not comparing kids getting beat up to raping little kids? My point was that Sandusky is not guilty, yet Paterno was let go as a cause of that. The argument is that these kids should be proven guilty before facing a consequence, well, if thats the case why should Paterno have been let go if the culpret of the scandal is not guilty yet? How about Duke Lacrosse? The kids involved with that scandal were suspended for multiple games before being reinstated when they were yet to be tried. They served a punishment before being allowed to play. It all comes down to this, in todays day is bullying a joke until someone is killed because of it?

 

[David T.]

I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

and it's attitudes like this that have people calling a good old fashioned ass kicking "assault"...yeah it was 9 on 2...so this case is different...but pushing for them to be suspended from football and using Penn State to back your argument is bogus.

and things have changed...were kids dunking when you were in high school or were 200+ lbs kids running sub 4.5 40 yard dashes? I don't know where you went to school...but I've been out of high school for 12 years...and I'm sure there are kids today that are stronger and faster for their age then I was back then....and if you weren't trying to knock the kid out you were fighting...you were doing it wrong...but don't blame my way of thinking or anyone elses for the way society is today....UFC is all over the place...and it's about the individual parents and how they raise their kids....I'm raising my kids the same way my dad raised me...don't start any fights...and if you're getting picked on and someone's trying to fight you...then you fight to defend yourself.

Your one line sums up my arguement quite nicely......
It's about the individual parents and how they raise their kids.
Sadly there's not nearly enough "raising of their kids" going on nowadays.
Good luck with your children, you're going to need it.
And for the record I truly mean that, I'm not trying to insult you.
Remember, you can raise your children but you can't raise their friends.
My 2 kids are 18 and 21, and with most of their friends having parents failing to "raise them" it's not that damn easy.
As far as the UFC reference, MW3 is all over the place now as well.
Hell my son plays it. When and if your children play a similar game will you condone them going out and shooting people? :lol:
Fortunately my son was raised to know the difference between a game, and real life. The same goes with UFC.
Again, I mean it sincerely, good luck raising your children.
Trust me it's not as easy as one would think. In fact, most times it's a son of a bitch. (No pun intended towards my wife. :lol: )
David

 

[David T.]

I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

most people using this logic will wait until all sides of the story are heard. most people will feel concern for their child first. then worry about the situation coming to a close via punishment.

in my opinion there is a lack of character in the country. im not saying fighting will make character rebound but standing up for yourself in situations will give you character and esteem. it may not apply to this situation but now days when kids fight one is the bully and one is the victim. its mandatory even though its not always that cut and dry. there are times when both sides are wrong. there are times when fista cuffs is the only answer. when i was younger you fought then you were friends later on. now you fight and your mom runs to the school, your dad calls the news, and they spin it for you to be the victim. then everyone gets their ******* in a *** and the sensativity police get their riot gear on.

America is getting soft...it's all a part of the Pussification of America.

America is getting stupid....it's all part of the dumbing down of America.
David

 

[TiajuanaDonkey]

I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

and it's attitudes like this that have people calling a good old fashioned ass kicking "assault"...yeah it was 9 on 2...so this case is different...but pushing for them to be suspended from football and using Penn State to back your argument is bogus.

and things have changed...were kids dunking when you were in high school or were 200+ lbs kids running sub 4.5 40 yard dashes? I don't know where you went to school...but I've been out of high school for 12 years...and I'm sure there are kids today that are stronger and faster for their age then I was back then....and if you weren't trying to knock the kid out you were fighting...you were doing it wrong...but don't blame my way of thinking or anyone elses for the way society is today....UFC is all over the place...and it's about the individual parents and how they raise their kids....I'm raising my kids the same way my dad raised me...don't start any fights...and if you're getting picked on and someone's trying to fight you...then you fight to defend yourself.

Again, do you not understand that I was not comparing kids getting beat up to raping little kids? My point was that Sandusky is not guilty, yet Paterno was let go as a cause of that. The argument is that these kids should be proven guilty before facing a consequence, well, if thats the case why should Paterno have been let go if the culpret of the scandal is not guilty yet? How about Duke Lacrosse? The kids involved with that scandal were suspended for multiple games before being reinstated when they were yet to be tried. They served a punishment before being allowed to play. It all comes down to this, in todays day is bullying a joke until someone is killed because of it?

the kids were suspended..and the suspension was lifted...Paterno was let go because of his involvement...it has nothing to do with todays world...people like you just make a huge deal out of something and make it personal...the kids should be punished...but they didn't do it at school or during a school event and the fact that they were from 2 different high school teams is just coincidental...so how does that justify suspension...Paterno was fired because he knew of wrong doings by one of his staff members to children in his locker room....so the only thing that Penn State and this kid's fight is football...nothing else.

 

[deceptikon1978]

I blame Marilyn Manson.

 

[notjomommasclint]

[quote="David T.":32537aso]I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

most people using this logic will wait until all sides of the story are heard. most people will feel concern for their child first. then worry about the situation coming to a close via punishment.

in my opinion there is a lack of character in the country. im not saying fighting will make character rebound but standing up for yourself in situations will give you character and esteem. it may not apply to this situation but now days when kids fight one is the bully and one is the victim. its mandatory even though its not always that cut and dry. there are times when both sides are wrong. there are times when fista cuffs is the only answer. when i was younger you fought then you were friends later on. now you fight and your mom runs to the school, your dad calls the news, and they spin it for you to be the victim. then everyone gets their ******* in a *** and the sensativity police get their riot gear on.

America is getting soft...it's all a part of the Pussification of America.

America is getting stupid....it's all part of the dumbing down of America.
David[/quote:32537aso]

why you say that for?

 

[TiajuanaDonkey]

Your one line sums up my arguement quite nicely......
It's about the individual parents and how they raise their kids.
Sadly there's not nearly enough "raising of their kids" going on nowadays.
Good luck with your children, you're going to need it.
And for the record I truly mean that, I'm not trying to insult you.
Remember, you can raise your children but you can't raise their friends.
My 2 kids are 18 and 21, and with most of their friends having parents failing to "raise them" it's not that damn easy.
As far as the UFC reference, MW3 is all over the place now as well.
Hell my son plays it. When and if your children play a similar game will you condone them going out and shooting people? :lol:
Fortunately my son was raised to know the difference between a game, and real life. The same goes with UFC.
Again, I mean it sincerely, good luck raising your children.
Trust me it's not as easy as one would think. In fact, most times it's a son of a bitch. (No pun intended towards my wife. :lol: )
David

thanks man...I can use all of the luck and prayers I can get! :lol:

I hear you...I've got 2 girls (Lord help me) 4 and 6...and an 11 year old stepson....I play shooters myself...but I don't allow the kids to play...I don't even play it in front of them. No UFC either...I just used that as an example because some kids are exposed to it..and it's probably the one's who are fighting...and no I don't condone it...I was just giving an example as to what parents are letting their kids see.

America is getting stupid....it's all part of the dumbing down of America.
David

This too! Some schools only teach spelling up to a certain point now because of spell check on computers ::facepalm::

 

[Longoriafan3]

I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

and it's attitudes like this that have people calling a good old fashioned ass kicking "assault"...yeah it was 9 on 2...so this case is different...but pushing for them to be suspended from football and using Penn State to back your argument is bogus.

and things have changed...were kids dunking when you were in high school or were 200+ lbs kids running sub 4.5 40 yard dashes? I don't know where you went to school...but I've been out of high school for 12 years...and I'm sure there are kids today that are stronger and faster for their age then I was back then....and if you weren't trying to knock the kid out you were fighting...you were doing it wrong...but don't blame my way of thinking or anyone elses for the way society is today....UFC is all over the place...and it's about the individual parents and how they raise their kids....I'm raising my kids the same way my dad raised me...don't start any fights...and if you're getting picked on and someone's trying to fight you...then you fight to defend yourself.

Again, do you not understand that I was not comparing kids getting beat up to raping little kids? My point was that Sandusky is not guilty, yet Paterno was let go as a cause of that. The argument is that these kids should be proven guilty before facing a consequence, well, if thats the case why should Paterno have been let go if the culpret of the scandal is not guilty yet? How about Duke Lacrosse? The kids involved with that scandal were suspended for multiple games before being reinstated when they were yet to be tried. They served a punishment before being allowed to play. It all comes down to this, in todays day is bullying a joke until someone is killed because of it?

the kids were suspended..and the suspension was lifted...Paterno was let go because of his involvement...it has nothing to do with todays world...people like you just make a huge deal out of something and make it personal...the kids should be punished...but they didn't do it at school or during a school event and the fact that they were from 2 different high school teams is just coincidental...so how does that justify suspension...Paterno was fired because he knew of wrong doings by one of his staff members to children in his locker room....so the only thing that Penn State and this kid's fight is football...nothing else.

NJ State Law is that ANY incidents involving students outside of school holds the schools responsible to hand out suspensions for school and/or extra-curricular activities. They handed them a suspension for about 12 hours. I don't even think you can call that a suspension. but w/e I am done, last thing I was hoping for was for the thread to turn into what it is now.

 

[Longoriafan3]

I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

and it's attitudes like this that have people calling a good old fashioned ass kicking "assault"...yeah it was 9 on 2...so this case is different...but pushing for them to be suspended from football and using Penn State to back your argument is bogus.

and things have changed...were kids dunking when you were in high school or were 200+ lbs kids running sub 4.5 40 yard dashes? I don't know where you went to school...but I've been out of high school for 12 years...and I'm sure there are kids today that are stronger and faster for their age then I was back then....and if you weren't trying to knock the kid out you were fighting...you were doing it wrong...but don't blame my way of thinking or anyone elses for the way society is today....UFC is all over the place...and it's about the individual parents and how they raise their kids....I'm raising my kids the same way my dad raised me...don't start any fights...and if you're getting picked on and someone's trying to fight you...then you fight to defend yourself.

Again, do you not understand that I was not comparing kids getting beat up to raping little kids? My point was that Sandusky is not guilty, yet Paterno was let go as a cause of that. The argument is that these kids should be proven guilty before facing a consequence, well, if thats the case why should Paterno have been let go if the culpret of the scandal is not guilty yet? How about Duke Lacrosse? The kids involved with that scandal were suspended for multiple games before being reinstated when they were yet to be tried. They served a punishment before being allowed to play. It all comes down to this, in todays day is bullying a joke until someone is killed because of it?

the kids were suspended..and the suspension was lifted...Paterno was let go because of his involvement...it has nothing to do with todays world...people like you just make a huge deal out of something and make it personal...the kids should be punished...but they didn't do it at school or during a school event and the fact that they were from 2 different high school teams is just coincidental...so how does that justify suspension...Paterno was fired because he knew of wrong doings by one of his staff members to children in his locker room....so the only thing that Penn State and this kid's fight is football...nothing else.

NJ State Law is that ANY incidents involving students outside of school holds the schools responsible to hand out suspensions for school and/or extra-curricular activities. They handed them a suspension for about 12 hours. I don't even think you can call that a suspension. but w/e I am done, last thing I was hoping for was for the thread to turn into what it is now.

 

[David T.]

[quote="David T.":13hpek76]I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

most people using this logic will wait until all sides of the story are heard. most people will feel concern for their child first. then worry about the situation coming to a close via punishment.

in my opinion there is a lack of character in the country. im not saying fighting will make character rebound but standing up for yourself in situations will give you character and esteem. it may not apply to this situation but now days when kids fight one is the bully and one is the victim. its mandatory even though its not always that cut and dry. there are times when both sides are wrong. there are times when fista cuffs is the only answer. when i was younger you fought then you were friends later on. now you fight and your mom runs to the school, your dad calls the news, and they spin it for you to be the victim. then everyone gets their ******* in a *** and the sensativity police get their riot gear on.

America is getting soft...it's all a part of the Pussification of America.

America is getting stupid....it's all part of the dumbing down of America.
David

why you say that for?[/quote:13hpek76]

You messin' with me Clint?
You know we could always meet up at the bike rack outside the next Urbandale card show? :shock:
As far as this topic is concerned, you all need to also keep in mind....
I'm so old that when I was a kid, my playstation was called "outside".
David

 

[TiajuanaDonkey]

I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

and it's attitudes like this that have people calling a good old fashioned ass kicking "assault"...yeah it was 9 on 2...so this case is different...but pushing for them to be suspended from football and using Penn State to back your argument is bogus.

and things have changed...were kids dunking when you were in high school or were 200+ lbs kids running sub 4.5 40 yard dashes? I don't know where you went to school...but I've been out of high school for 12 years...and I'm sure there are kids today that are stronger and faster for their age then I was back then....and if you weren't trying to knock the kid out you were fighting...you were doing it wrong...but don't blame my way of thinking or anyone elses for the way society is today....UFC is all over the place...and it's about the individual parents and how they raise their kids....I'm raising my kids the same way my dad raised me...don't start any fights...and if you're getting picked on and someone's trying to fight you...then you fight to defend yourself.

Again, do you not understand that I was not comparing kids getting beat up to raping little kids? My point was that Sandusky is not guilty, yet Paterno was let go as a cause of that. The argument is that these kids should be proven guilty before facing a consequence, well, if thats the case why should Paterno have been let go if the culpret of the scandal is not guilty yet? How about Duke Lacrosse? The kids involved with that scandal were suspended for multiple games before being reinstated when they were yet to be tried. They served a punishment before being allowed to play. It all comes down to this, in todays day is bullying a joke until someone is killed because of it?

the kids were suspended..and the suspension was lifted...Paterno was let go because of his involvement...it has nothing to do with todays world...people like you just make a huge deal out of something and make it personal...the kids should be punished...but they didn't do it at school or during a school event and the fact that they were from 2 different high school teams is just coincidental...so how does that justify suspension...Paterno was fired because he knew of wrong doings by one of his staff members to children in his locker room....so the only thing that Penn State and this kid's fight is football...nothing else.

NJ State Law is that ANY incidents involving students outside of school holds the schools responsible to hand out suspensions for school and/or extra-curricular activities. They handed them a suspension for about 12 hours. I don't even think you can call that a suspension. but w/e I am done, last thing I was hoping for was for the thread to turn into what it is now.

well the school did its job...do you agree with it? No...and I don't either...they should have been suspended from school...but just because the law sates extra-curricular activities as an option...it doesn't mean they have to suspend them from the rest of the state playoffs.

 

[notjomommasclint]

[quote="David T."4aejf09]

[quote="David T."4aejf09]I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

most people using this logic will wait until all sides of the story are heard. most people will feel concern for their child first. then worry about the situation coming to a close via punishment.

in my opinion there is a lack of character in the country. im not saying fighting will make character rebound but standing up for yourself in situations will give you character and esteem. it may not apply to this situation but now days when kids fight one is the bully and one is the victim. its mandatory even though its not always that cut and dry. there are times when both sides are wrong. there are times when fista cuffs is the only answer. when i was younger you fought then you were friends later on. now you fight and your mom runs to the school, your dad calls the news, and they spin it for you to be the victim. then everyone gets their ******* in a *** and the sensativity police get their riot gear on.

America is getting soft...it's all a part of the Pussification of America.

America is getting stupid....it's all part of the dumbing down of America.
David

why you say that for?[/quote4aejf09]

You messin' with me Clint?
You know we could always meet up at the bike rack outside the next Urbandale card show? :shock:
As far as this topic is concerned, you all need to also keep in mind....
I'm so old that when I was a kid, my playstation was called "outside".
David[/quote4aejf09]

LoooooL!

there will be no bike rack! i fight at flag poles and flag poles only! we still havent made it back to the show. we are kicking it around but i have had some financial situations arise that knocked my spending a bit. however when i get back out i will let you know and you can meet us for the show and lunch... or find out where we are eating and slash our tires!

i remember outside. its where i keep the exercise.

and let me expand on my thoughts. im not saying the kids shouldnt pay a price. im just saying that people now days are in a rush for attention. they want their stories told and they want pity for their angel getting a shiner or getting knocked out. my mom beat my ass one day because i wouldnt stand up for myself to a bully. the next time the kid bullied me i tossed knuckles. he still whooped my ass but realized there was easier prey in the water. i just want kids with character not kids who think that everyone is special because they get a trophy for showing up.

 

[TiajuanaDonkey]

You messin' with me Clint?
You know we could always meet up at the bike rack outside the next Urbandale card show? :shock:
As far as this topic is concerned, you all need to also keep in mind....
I'm so old that when I was a kid, my playstation was called "outside".
David

I had a nintendo, SNES, and then a N64...but I wasn't allowed to be on it all of the time...homework...outside...and maybe some games before bed if there was time....my old lady has a 17 year old brother...kid is bright...but he comes home and jumps on the xbox after school and will stay up until midnight in his room playing...needless to say...he's failing classes...known the kid since he was 11....I always thought that he'd either grow up to shoot up his school or play for the other team....he's a good kid and thankfully he knows the difference between right and wrong even with the lack of parenting and fact that his tv has raised him since before puberty.

 

[David T.]

[quote="David T.":9k47rcbr]

[quote="David T.":9k47rcbr]I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

most people using this logic will wait until all sides of the story are heard. most people will feel concern for their child first. then worry about the situation coming to a close via punishment.

in my opinion there is a lack of character in the country. im not saying fighting will make character rebound but standing up for yourself in situations will give you character and esteem. it may not apply to this situation but now days when kids fight one is the bully and one is the victim. its mandatory even though its not always that cut and dry. there are times when both sides are wrong. there are times when fista cuffs is the only answer. when i was younger you fought then you were friends later on. now you fight and your mom runs to the school, your dad calls the news, and they spin it for you to be the victim. then everyone gets their ******* in a *** and the sensativity police get their riot gear on.

America is getting soft...it's all a part of the Pussification of America.

America is getting stupid....it's all part of the dumbing down of America.
David

why you say that for?

You messin' with me Clint?
You know we could always meet up at the bike rack outside the next Urbandale card show? :shock:
As far as this topic is concerned, you all need to also keep in mind....
I'm so old that when I was a kid, my playstation was called "outside".
David[/quote:9k47rcbr]

LoooooL!

there will be no bike rack! i fight at flag poles and flag poles only! we still havent made it back to the show. we are kicking it around but i have had some financial situations arise that knocked my spending a bit. however when i get back out i will let you know and you can meet us for the show and lunch... or find out where we are eating and slash our tires!

i remember outside. its where i keep the exercise.

and let me expand on my thoughts. im not saying the kids shouldnt pay a price. im just saying that people now days are in a rush for attention. they want their stories told and they want pity for their angel getting a shiner or getting knocked out. my mom beat my ass one day because i wouldnt stand up for myself to a bully. the next time the kid bullied me i tossed knuckles. he still whooped my ass but realized there was easier prey in the water. i just want kids with character not kids who think that everyone is special because they get a trophy for showing up.[/quote:9k47rcbr]

I hear ya Clint.
Eliminating dodgeball in school and playing games without keeping score to prevent hurt feelings is freaking nuts.
Thicken your skin people!
As far as people being in a rush for attention (and ironically, kind of on-topic) the fact that kids set up beatings just to videotape it and put it up on the net makes me sick to my stomach.
How hard is it to figure out, attention for doing something stupid isn't the kind of attention one should want.
David

 

[rymflaherty]

^
Reading those examples of "everybody wins"........makes me think of the worst I've ever seen.
I was working an After-School program, at a school I attended as a kid. I guess in Kindergarten I had a field day there, the reason I know is because I still had a trophy for finishing 2nd place in one of the races.
Well fast-forward to a few years ago. I'm meeting the kids as they get out and they all have ribbons. They tell me it was field-day. I look at the ribbon, I kid you not it said:
"If you had fun today, you WON".

Working with children, I hate that ****. The funny thing is, it really doesn't help much anyways. There's always one kid in the game keeping score, or if a kid is not good at a game they are usually aware no matter how nice you try to be with them.

Now having said that, something just as horrible and prevalent in the schools/the kids I work with is the sense of entitlement they have, As much as I love sports, I don't think it is a good idea to prioritize that above everything else. I'll leave it at that since I know little about these events......My solution would probably be out of the box anyway, Something along the lines of - Fine they can play, but if it turns out they are guilty of crimes you forfeit any potential playoff wins. If the priority really is on football, I bet that coach gets to the bottom of things really quickly if that is hanging over the team.

Sorry for the long post, but I was just taken aback by some of the responses here. Yes kids do stupid things, that's life.....you accept that and hopefully they learn from them......but mistakes may also provide consequences. The lack of consequences and accountability (which is all too prevalent with parents/schools, etc. today), the sense that it's always someone else's fault, is really no different than "every kid gets a ribbon".

 

[Card Magnet]

I blame Marilyn Manson.

I don't think that name is relevant to the young people anymore. Blame Lady Gaga, which is just Marilyn Manson in drag.

 

[ffgameman]

I keep reading things like......"it's just kids being kids. They fight and they knock each other out. It's sad but that's the way it is".
Perhaps it's attitudes like these that caused things to get so far out of hand.
I'm 50 years old and when I was in high school there were plenty of fights. There were blackened eyes and bloody noses but we sure as hell didn't try to knock each other out.
How far do we let kids just being kids go? When a fight turns into manslaughter?
It seems to me the attitudes here are nothing but enabling.
Perhaps if it was your son that was knocked out, or your son facing the court system for knocking someone out, you may feel differently.
Stepping off my soapbox now.
David

It's nice to see some common sense in this topic.

Both kids and parents need to be held responsible for their actions. And this isn't an "age" thing; I agree with you David T., but my "outside" was Nintendo, PlayStation, and Xbox. :lol: