For what it's worth, this is a grab bag...

[sportscardtheory]

I know Tristar has done it... Razor, of course... Just had Mystery bats/balls - and if they were packaged alone (I think the balls were) and there was one "draw" ball, I would say that falls into this definition as well. I know Just Mystery jerseys had cards, but they were inserts and not a set - I would argue that that would fall into that definition as well.

Here's the thing - the crime is a misdemeanor in California and probably a misdemeanor in other states. As they say, it's easier to beg for forgiveness then to ask for permission.

Isn't this "draw ball" theory simply your opinion? All the balls are collectible and there is no set value for ANY of them, including the Ruth ball. Where are they advertising your chance to "win" anything of any certain value.

On a side note, I guess Jeff can also bring up Wall-Mart, K-Mart, Target and the like on misdemeanors for selling "grab-bag" packs/boxes of thrown-together commons.

 

[ChasHawk]

I know Tristar has done it... Razor, of course... Just had Mystery bats/balls - and if they were packaged alone (I think the balls were) and there was one "draw" ball, I would say that falls into this definition as well. I know Just Mystery jerseys had cards, but they were inserts and not a set - I would argue that that would fall into that definition as well.

Here's the thing - the crime is a misdemeanor in California and probably a misdemeanor in other states. As they say, it's easier to beg for forgiveness then to ask for permission.

Isn't this "draw ball" theory simply your opinion? All the balls are collectible and there is no set value for ANY of them, including the Ruth ball. Where are they advertising your chance to "win" anything of any certain value.

On a side note, I guess Jeff can also bring up Wall-Mart, K-Mart, Target and the like on misdemeanors for selling "grab-bag" packs/boxes of thrown-together commons.

They generally do not guarantee any specific chase element.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I know Tristar has done it... Razor, of course... Just had Mystery bats/balls - and if they were packaged alone (I think the balls were) and there was one "draw" ball, I would say that falls into this definition as well. I know Just Mystery jerseys had cards, but they were inserts and not a set - I would argue that that would fall into that definition as well.

Here's the thing - the crime is a misdemeanor in California and probably a misdemeanor in other states. As they say, it's easier to beg for forgiveness then to ask for permission.

Isn't this "draw ball" theory simply your opinion? All the balls are collectible and there is no set value for ANY of them, including the Ruth ball. Where are they advertising your chance to "win" anything of any certain value.

On a side note, I guess Jeff can also bring up Wall-Mart, K-Mart, Target and the like on misdemeanors for selling "grab-bag" packs/boxes of thrown-together commons.

First off, I'm not a district attorney or a prosecutor, and I cannot "bring up" anyone. Nor would I ever want to.

As for the "Draw ball" - it's prominently displayed in the advertising. While there's not a set value, that's not a specific requirement for the lottery/grab bag California law I posted earlier.

The grab bag thrown-together commons is not an issue because there is no chance of winning a huge prize. If everyone's going to get 300 crap commons, there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Re: For what it's worth, this is also a grab bag...

[quote="G $MONEY$":1xnajw4g][quote="Jeff N.":1xnajw4g]

[quote="Jeff N.":1xnajw4g]The million card giveaway is a sweepstakes, but it's not enticing you to buy the product. If you were going to throw away the cards and only hunt for the million card giveaway, perhaps. To put it in a scenario that most of the guys here can understand, it's like Monopoly at McDonalds. You're not going to throw away the delectable royale with cheese and greasefries to play Monopoly - it's an added bonus.

A lottery is a game of chance where you pay your money in the hope for a grand prize. In this situation, the Ruth ball. Sure, you may get something lesser (i.e a $5 winning ticket vs. a David Justice ball), but you want the grand prize.

Please help me understand how your definition of a lottery could not be applied to busting a box of cards?

I read a case on this years ago. The cards are defines as the collectable that you're keeping and buying, and the Million Card giveaway is the bonus. You're buying a collectable set of baseball cards. Not a grab bag.[/quote:1xnajw4g]


Isn't this the same exact thing?!? You are buying a collectible autographed Baseball, no different then the cards.[/quote:1xnajw4g]

In which case, the lottery definition, under the California Penal Code, applies.

The autographed baseball is not part of a set - that's what differentiated it. I need to do some research.[/quote:1xnajw4g]


All of you prospectors should know about the California Penal Code. They've got a hell of a minor league system there -- the California Penal League...

 

[kentuckyderby]

I hate lawsuit threats
I do like string cheese

I do like USA baseball
I do love college fotball
I do love flopping trips

 

[cgilmo]

for the love of God


Quit bumping this unless you have something relevant to add.