Frank Thomas Crusade Red CTA 4 of 25

[donrusscrusademan]

also, jmo.. but graded crusades dont really matter that much. theres 2 kinds- ones with refractor lines and ones without.
they all look sick in person and are much harder to damage than the average card. only damage that stands out are the refractor lines (from birth)

 

[txcarr85]

thanxs for the info to u and everyone else.i guess its kind of like the rare metal cards they made for basketball that sell for 1000s

Just curious as the only baseball products i bust are the newer ones but why are these crusades going for so much?

http://www.crusadecollectors.com/info.html

 

[n1astrosfn]

Last one went for $511

edited to ad: prior sales before that one were on eBay $199, $225, $392

this makes me smile. only an obsessively, compulsively dedicated player collector could roll out too much info like that.

and "prior" meaning before FCB and its members started pushing sale prices

 

[Cobra29svt]

^ There is one more that was between the $225 & $392 but I don't have the exact price

 

[markakis8]

Is calling a card delicious weird?

about as weird as calling a Snickers bar pristine or mint.

 

[miguelcabrera]

Is calling a card delicious weird?

about as weird as calling a Snickers bar pristine or mint.

what about a 3 muskateers bar?

 

[Russ S.]

I'd agree with everything here but would say they have generally been easy to find on ebay - right now there are 200 of them there and I'd suspect a bunch more are on Beckett. A specific player may be tough to find just like any other set though.

A few guys were trying to corner the market on these for years building up a big stash and then decided to sell within the last couple years.

These cards are very hard to come by, especially the red versions. The Greens were numbered to around 250, with the purples to 100 and the reds to 25. They don't show up alot as they came out of products that are still sitting in storage unopened. They are one of the few #'d inserts that still command a premium with player collectors today. And another note, they are very beautiful if you have one in hand.

THat's weird. There are exactly ZERO Reds listed at auction right now and ZERO in completed sales. And 41 if you include stores, which a majority of them are Burbanks or Teawolves with OUTRAGEOUS prices for that particular player, and that is why they have been sitting listed for months and years.

So yeah, Blanning was right on. Unique try though.

 

[donrusscrusademan]

I'd agree with everything here but would say they have generally been easy to find on ebay - right now there are 200 of them there and I'd suspect a bunch more are on Beckett. A specific player may be tough to find just like any other set though.

A few guys were trying to corner the market on these for years building up a big stash and then decided to sell within the last couple years.

These cards are very hard to come by, especially the red versions. The Greens were numbered to around 250, with the purples to 100 and the reds to 25. They don't show up alot as they came out of products that are still sitting in storage unopened. They are one of the few #'d inserts that still command a premium with player collectors today. And another note, they are very beautiful if you have one in hand.

THat's weird. There are exactly ZERO Reds listed at auction right now and ZERO in completed sales. And 41 if you include stores, which a majority of them are Burbanks or Teawolves with OUTRAGEOUS prices for that particular player, and that is why they have been sitting listed for months and years.

So yeah, Blanning was right on. Unique try though.

+1.

the time you find your guy in a red, anything could happen. you could get the "norm" price, or there could easily be an insane bidding war that doubles the price.

I dont think a red Thomas will ever go for $199, $225, $392 ever again. its only up for these cards. they go PC and lockdown faster than you can say wait. everytime a big red goes I call that card /24, then /23 etc.

better start breaking wax to find these.

 

[Cobra29svt]

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[uniquebaseballcards]

47 Reds are listed now out of 130 in the checklist, what's that, about 40% of the checklist? 101 Purples are listed now too. Didn't notice duplicate reds listed and noticed many red stars. You guys must to have gone to better schools than I did to say they are tough to find right now. The schools Russ went to told him that things out of his price range are rare things :?

Also consider a few guys have dumped their crusade collections consisting of hundreds of different cards the past six months or so, no? I however did say a particular player may be difficult to find, which is no different than any other set.

Its a great set, clearly one of the best of the '90s, but to say they're hard to find right now is false despite the limited print run of the red cards.

I'd agree with everything here but would say they have generally been easy to find on ebay - right now there are 200 of them there and I'd suspect a bunch more are on Beckett. A specific player may be tough to find just like any other set though.

A few guys were trying to corner the market on these for years building up a big stash and then decided to sell within the last couple years.

These cards are very hard to come by, especially the red versions. The Greens were numbered to around 250, with the purples to 100 and the reds to 25. They don't show up alot as they came out of products that are still sitting in storage unopened. They are one of the few #'d inserts that still command a premium with player collectors today. And another note, they are very beautiful if you have one in hand.

THat's weird. There are exactly ZERO Reds listed at auction right now and ZERO in completed sales. And 41 if you include stores, which a majority of them are Burbanks or Teawolves with OUTRAGEOUS prices for that particular player, and that is why they have been sitting listed for months and years.

So yeah, Blanning was right on. Unique try though.

+1.

the time you find your guy in a red, anything could happen. you could get the "norm" price, or there could easily be an insane bidding war that doubles the price.

I dont think a red Thomas will ever go for $199, $225, $392 ever again. its only up for these cards. they go PC and lockdown faster than you can say wait. everytime a big red goes I call that card /24, then /23 etc.

better start breaking wax to find these.

 

[carrsallstars]

Last one went for $511

edited to ad: prior sales before that one were on eBay $199, $225, $392

If I recall was there a bit of a gap between the previous sales and the $511? Manny red crusades have followed a similar trend over teh past few years... Also, wasn't the $511 auction from an ebay seller with low feedback, a very small pic, one false sale of the card, and not really any card selling background to speak of (all which would depress the final sale price I'd guess). Not a Thomas expert so I could be off but that's what I recall. All adds up to support the 750- 1000 estimate on a proper open auction.

 

[Philip J. Fry]

I say put it up for a 7-day auction to end next Sunday and see how it goes. We all have different opinions on the price and the only real way to find out is list it.

 

[Gwynn545]

Thomas usually go for a little more than Gwynn, so since I got my red Gwynn for $150 then red Thomas might go for $180 or $200

 

[Cobra29svt]

If I recall was there a bit of a gap between the previous sales and the $511? Manny red crusades have followed a similar trend over teh past few years... Also, wasn't the $511 auction from an ebay seller with low feedback, a very small pic, one false sale of the card, and not really any card selling background to speak of (all which would depress the final sale price I'd guess). Not a Thomas expert so I could be off but that's what I recall. All adds up to support the 750- 1000 estimate on a proper open auction.

Yes, there was a substantial amount of time between the listings. I don't remember much (anything) about the details on the last Thomas red that was listed. I didn't bid so I didn't pay much attention to it.

I say put it up for a 7-day auction to end next Sunday and see how it goes. We all have different opinions on the price and the only real way to find out is list it.

Agree

Thomas usually go for a little more than Gwynn, so since I got my red Gwynn for $150 then red Thomas might go for $180 or $200

Respectfully disagree. I'd love to see it end for that price, but I don't think it will happen. $150 for a red Gwynn is a great price imo btw.

 

[oldtimer]

O.K. So I should expect $199 to 1 or 2k, oh! boy!. Thanks for all the info.
What do you think these should fetch

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http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/1/5/8/8/2/9/webimg/388945279_o.jpg

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Sorry if I'm asking to many questions, but I have been away from collecting, for awhile, due to health problems.
My name "oldtimer" is exactly what I am. I lived in New York, and got to watch Mantle, Mays and Snider play live.
I have tried to buy a Beckett, but I had to order it, online, and it's not due to arrive until 7/21. And yes!! my mother did throw my cards away when I went off to college in 1964. If I had just 10% of the cards I destroyed in my bicycle spokes, well you get the picture.
Again, thanks for all your help

oldtimer

 

[Russ S.]

The schools Russ went to told him that things out of his price range are rare things :?

Actually the schools I went to taught me that a card /25 that you are lucky to see once a year IF THAT, makes it rare.
Thanks for the low blow though ass munch.
Find me a Ripken or Griffey at auction. Or any of those other 80 actually AT AUCTION, and you'll make your point that the Red Crusades are tough/rare at all.

Good luck with that.

 

[donrusscrusademan]

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1 ... nfo&ref=ts

^ this is where the cool kids hang out.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Being at auction means nothing...neither does cost. We're talking about whether the cards are hard to find or not.

Someone can put together 40% of the red set right now. This doesn't make the set hard to find right now...which is exactly what I wrote. It doesn't make a difference whether the set is #/25 or #/2500...because someone can find and buy them right now if they want.

Semantics obviously isn't your strong suit, so I hope this is a simple enough way to look at things so that it doesn't look like I'm arguing with you.

A few years ago these cards were hard to find. A couple years from now they may be hard to find again. But they haven't been hard to find recently. Again, why? Because some people who were cornering the market sold them all at once flooding the market. Flooding the market = not hard to find.

Don't you have a Ripken red and isn't this how you got it? Do you really think I'm putting down you and this card?!

The schools Russ went to told him that things out of his price range are rare things :?

Actually the schools I went to taught me that a card /25 that you are lucky to see once a year IF THAT, makes it rare.
Thanks for the low blow though ass munch.
Find me a Ripken or Griffey at auction. Or any of those other 80 actually AT AUCTION, and you'll make your point that the Red Crusades are tough/rare at all.

Good luck with that.

 

[Russ S.]

^^ wow ^^
Flooding the market with Red Crusades??
Selling 1 red crusade of each player is FAR flooding the market. ::facepalm::
Besides.... that was months ago. Have you seen any of the 80 cards that aren't listed since?
Because "40%" of the set... as you say .... are available right now (at unrealistic BIN - hence why they are still available), doesn't make these an easy item. You are talking 1 card.
Not multiple copies of Reds available genius.

So they AREN'T hard to find?? :lol: :lol:
Challenge.
I challenge you to find a Griffey or Ripken for sale. Auction or otherwise.
You have 2 days..... GO.

 

[cbrandtw]

Thomas usually go for a little more than Gwynn, so since I got my red Gwynn for $150 then red Thomas might go for $180 or $200

I'll buy all 25 Thomas Red Crusades at this price.