GM for a day.

[SeattleSports]

[quote="SydBarrett":1qxdaned]A questioned like this was posed on my Facebook and it got a lot of responses from a lot of people who aren't too knowledgeable about sports, so I figured it would garner more attention here and more reasonable responses.


The basic premise is simple, and you can be the GM of whatever team you want for one day. You can make three moves. All have to be reasonable, you can trade a player, sign a player and you can higher and/or fire your manager or whoever.



If I was the general manager for Seattle with my first move, I would do the obvious & sign Prince Fielder. I know I said the moves have to be a reasonable and a lot of people are questioning Seattle and if they have the money to make this deal, so with my second move I would try and make a three-way trade (this counts as two moves).

Seattle would give up: Felix Hernandes, Vinnie Catricala and James Paxton.
Seattle would get: Hanley Ramirez, Jesus Montero/Gary Sanchez, and Mason Williams

New York would get: Felix Fernandez and the $/PTBNL
New York would give up: Ivan Nova, Jesus Montero/Gary Sanchez , Dellin Betances, and Mason Williams

Miami would get: Ivan Nova, Dellin Betances, James Paxton and Vinnie Catricala.
Miami would give up: Hanley Ramirez & $/PTBNL


Now that I typed that all out, I don't know if it is as believable as it sounded my head. I think it goes without question that New York would be willing to give out three of those players for Felix Fernandez, I'm just not sure if they would give up Mason Williams. On Seattle's end, I would be willing to get Gary Sanchez over Montero if it meant that we got Mason Williams (I'm not even sure if they would be willing to give up him either). Miami really needs some pitching prospects as they have one of the worst farm systems in the major leagues and adding two top 100 pitchers and a top 150 bat would wash away the foul taste in their mouth that has recently been Hanley Ramirez. Michael Pineda would definitely have to stand up in 2012 for Seattle and be their number one pitcher but I don't believe it is that far out of the realm of possibility. Seattle would be giving out one of the best pitchers in the last few decades, in turn, their lineup would go from anemic two amazing.

First of all, it's Felix Hernandez, not Felix Fernandez, not Felix Hernandes. Second, there is absolutely no way in hell the Marlins or Yankees would make that deal.

See my signature, I do my best with what I can. And as far as the Yankees making a trade or not, you can't tell me that they wouldn't give up at least two of those players and Hanley Ramirez time has come in Miami, I would be willing to bet my useless legs he isn't playing for them next august.

Sorry, I glossed over the signature and the screenname, I apologize about my point about the spelling.

I could see NY giving up two, and maybe even three of those four, but not all four. Even if Florida is sick and tired of Hanley, which I don't think they are, they can get considerably better value than the four guys that you listed.

so a bunch of prospects are not enough value for hanley, but then a bunch of prospects are too much value for king felix? i dont follow the logic

~Right, because all prospects have the same value.~


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Sorry you lose all credibility when you think 2 of those Yankee prospects could get Felix.

As an M's fan, I would not want to touch Nova. People think he's valuable and a #2 pitcher, he's not.

Randy (Hoboken, NJ)

How quickly does Jack hang up the phone on a Jesus/Nova/Dellin for King Felix offer?
Klaw (1:37 PM)

Pretty quickly. And I say that as a big fan of Montero's bat.

 

[Wes]

[quote="Wes":av31cn9y][quote="SydBarrett":av31cn9y]A questioned like this was posed on my Facebook and it got a lot of responses from a lot of people who aren't too knowledgeable about sports, so I figured it would garner more attention here and more reasonable responses.


The basic premise is simple, and you can be the GM of whatever team you want for one day. You can make three moves. All have to be reasonable, you can trade a player, sign a player and you can higher and/or fire your manager or whoever.



If I was the general manager for Seattle with my first move, I would do the obvious & sign Prince Fielder. I know I said the moves have to be a reasonable and a lot of people are questioning Seattle and if they have the money to make this deal, so with my second move I would try and make a three-way trade (this counts as two moves).

Seattle would give up: Felix Hernandes, Vinnie Catricala and James Paxton.
Seattle would get: Hanley Ramirez, Jesus Montero/Gary Sanchez, and Mason Williams

New York would get: Felix Fernandez and the $/PTBNL
New York would give up: Ivan Nova, Jesus Montero/Gary Sanchez , Dellin Betances, and Mason Williams

Miami would get: Ivan Nova, Dellin Betances, James Paxton and Vinnie Catricala.
Miami would give up: Hanley Ramirez & $/PTBNL


Now that I typed that all out, I don't know if it is as believable as it sounded my head. I think it goes without question that New York would be willing to give out three of those players for Felix Fernandez, I'm just not sure if they would give up Mason Williams. On Seattle's end, I would be willing to get Gary Sanchez over Montero if it meant that we got Mason Williams (I'm not even sure if they would be willing to give up him either). Miami really needs some pitching prospects as they have one of the worst farm systems in the major leagues and adding two top 100 pitchers and a top 150 bat would wash away the foul taste in their mouth that has recently been Hanley Ramirez. Michael Pineda would definitely have to stand up in 2012 for Seattle and be their number one pitcher but I don't believe it is that far out of the realm of possibility. Seattle would be giving out one of the best pitchers in the last few decades, in turn, their lineup would go from anemic two amazing.

First of all, it's Felix Hernandez, not Felix Fernandez, not Felix Hernandes. Second, there is absolutely no way in hell the Marlins or Yankees would make that deal.

See my signature, I do my best with what I can. And as far as the Yankees making a trade or not, you can't tell me that they wouldn't give up at least two of those players and Hanley Ramirez time has come in Miami, I would be willing to bet my useless legs he isn't playing for them next august.

Sorry, I glossed over the signature and the screenname, I apologize about my point about the spelling.

I could see NY giving up two, and maybe even three of those four, but not all four. Even if Florida is sick and tired of Hanley, which I don't think they are, they can get considerably better value than the four guys that you listed.

so a bunch of prospects are not enough value for hanley, but then a bunch of prospects are too much value for king felix? i dont follow the logic

~Right, because all prospects have the same value.~


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Sorry you lose all credibility when you think 2 of those Yankee prospects could get Felix.

As an M's fan, I would not want to touch Nova. People think he's valuable and a #2 pitcher, he's not.

Randy (Hoboken, NJ)

How quickly does Jack hang up the phone on a Jesus/Nova/Dellin for King Felix offer?
Klaw (1:37 PM)

Pretty quickly. And I say that as a big fan of Montero's bat.

[/quote:av31cn9y]

You misread what I said. I said that the Yankees wouldn't trade all four for Felix. I didn't say the Mariners would trade Felix for two of the four.

 

[vwnut13]

As an M's fan, I would not want to touch Nova. People think he's valuable and a #2 pitcher, he's not.

Why?

Ivan Nova had one game where he was bailed out by the offense. One.

He had three wins that weren't quality starts. He had one loss that was a quality start.

 

[SeattleSports]

As an M's fan, I would not want to touch Nova. People think he's valuable and a #2 pitcher, he's not.

Why?

Ivan Nova had one game where he was bailed out by the offense. One.

He had three wins that weren't quality starts. He had one loss that was a quality start.

I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm saying he's closer to a #4 pitcher than a #2. Based off of his WHIP, K/9, BAA, and K/B.

Yankees fans look at him as a #2 and if they think his trade value is of a #2, then no way in hell do I want the M's to look at him. He's not a bad player, just isn't a #1 or #2 based off stuff.

 

[SeattleSports]

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[vwnut13]

As an M's fan, I would not want to touch Nova. People think he's valuable and a #2 pitcher, he's not.

Why?

Ivan Nova had one game where he was bailed out by the offense. One.

He had three wins that weren't quality starts. He had one loss that was a quality start.

I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm saying he's closer to a #4 pitcher than a #2. Based off of his WHIP, K/9, BAA, and K/B.

Yankees fans look at him as a #2 and if they think his trade value is of a #2, then no way in hell do I want the M's to look at him. He's not a bad player, just isn't a #1 or #2 based off stuff.

Ivan Nova:

ERA against Teams with Win% less than .500 - 3.66 (98.1 IP)
ERA against Teams with Win% greater than .500 - 3.76 (67 IP)


Michael Pineda:

ERA against Teams with Win% less than .500 - 1.95 (83 IP)
ERA against Teams with Win% greater than .500 - 5.42 (88 IP)

 

[markakis8]

I'm the Orioles GM.

Step 1: Kill my boss.
Step 2: Problem solved.

 

[SeattleSports]

As an M's fan, I would not want to touch Nova. People think he's valuable and a #2 pitcher, he's not.

Why?

Ivan Nova had one game where he was bailed out by the offense. One.

He had three wins that weren't quality starts. He had one loss that was a quality start.

I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm saying he's closer to a #4 pitcher than a #2. Based off of his WHIP, K/9, BAA, and K/B.

Yankees fans look at him as a #2 and if they think his trade value is of a #2, then no way in hell do I want the M's to look at him. He's not a bad player, just isn't a #1 or #2 based off stuff.

Ivan Nova:

ERA against Teams with Win% less than .500 - 3.66 (98.1 IP)
ERA against Teams with Win% greater than .500 - 3.76 (67 IP)


Michael Pineda:

ERA against Teams with Win% less than .500 - 1.95 (83 IP)
ERA against Teams with Win% greater than .500 - 5.42 (88 IP)

Please do not attempt to compare the 2.

Nova
IP: 165.1
SO: 98
BB: 57
WHIP: 1.33
BAA: .258

Pineda
IP: 171
SO: 173
BB: 55
WHIP: 1.10
BAA: .211

Pineda is also 2 years younger. Other than in NY, you will not find a team that would prefer Nova to Pineda and it's not close.

 

[vwnut13]

As an M's fan, I would not want to touch Nova. People think he's valuable and a #2 pitcher, he's not.

Why?

Ivan Nova had one game where he was bailed out by the offense. One.

He had three wins that weren't quality starts. He had one loss that was a quality start.

I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm saying he's closer to a #4 pitcher than a #2. Based off of his WHIP, K/9, BAA, and K/B.

Yankees fans look at him as a #2 and if they think his trade value is of a #2, then no way in hell do I want the M's to look at him. He's not a bad player, just isn't a #1 or #2 based off stuff.

Ivan Nova:

ERA against Teams with Win% less than .500 - 3.66 (98.1 IP)
ERA against Teams with Win% greater than .500 - 3.76 (67 IP)


Michael Pineda:

ERA against Teams with Win% less than .500 - 1.95 (83 IP)
ERA against Teams with Win% greater than .500 - 5.42 (88 IP)

Please do not attempt to compare the 2.

Nova
IP: 165.1
SO: 98
BB: 57
WHIP: 1.33
BAA: .258

Pineda
IP: 171
SO: 173
BB: 55
WHIP: 1.10
BAA: .211

Pineda is also 2 years younger. Other than in NY, you will not find a team that would prefer Nova to Pineda and it's not close.

Ivan Nova:

First Half ERA: 4.12
Second Half ERA: 3.18


Michael Pineda:

First Half ERA: 3.03
Second Half ERA: 5.12

But, but, but, Pineda had more strikeouts!

 

[Wes]

You can't seriously be saying that you'd rather have Ivan Nova than Michael Pineda.

[quote="SeattleSports":3cixxe5m]As an M's fan, I would not want to touch Nova. People think he's valuable and a #2 pitcher, he's not.

Why?

Ivan Nova had one game where he was bailed out by the offense. One.

He had three wins that weren't quality starts. He had one loss that was a quality start.

I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm saying he's closer to a #4 pitcher than a #2. Based off of his WHIP, K/9, BAA, and K/B.

Yankees fans look at him as a #2 and if they think his trade value is of a #2, then no way in hell do I want the M's to look at him. He's not a bad player, just isn't a #1 or #2 based off stuff.

Ivan Nova:

ERA against Teams with Win% less than .500 - 3.66 (98.1 IP)
ERA against Teams with Win% greater than .500 - 3.76 (67 IP)


Michael Pineda:

ERA against Teams with Win% less than .500 - 1.95 (83 IP)
ERA against Teams with Win% greater than .500 - 5.42 (88 IP)

Please do not attempt to compare the 2.

Nova
IP: 165.1
SO: 98
BB: 57
WHIP: 1.33
BAA: .258

Pineda
IP: 171
SO: 173
BB: 55
WHIP: 1.10
BAA: .211

Pineda is also 2 years younger. Other than in NY, you will not find a team that would prefer Nova to Pineda and it's not close.

Ivan Nova:

First Half ERA: 4.12
Second Half ERA: 3.18


Michael Pineda:

First Half ERA: 3.03
Second Half ERA: 5.12

But, but, but, Pineda had more strikeouts![/quote:3cixxe5m]

 

[SeattleSports]

Ivan Nova:

First Half ERA: 4.12
Second Half ERA: 3.18


Michael Pineda:

First Half ERA: 3.03
Second Half ERA: 5.12

But, but, but, Pineda had more strikeouts!

Again,

Nova
IP: 165.1
SO: 98
BB: 57
WHIP: 1.33
BAA: .258

Pineda
IP: 171
SO: 173
BB: 55
WHIP: 1.10
BAA: .211

Pineda > Nova and it's not close.

 

[Mudcatsfan]

I haven't seen the both of them enough to say one way or the other, but its completely fair to bring up the fact that Nova was better than Pineda in the 2nd half.

And its a very good point to bring up that Pineda didn't pitch well against good competition whereas Nova did (if you believe those numbers presented earlier. They were pretty striking).

So if Pineda can dominate sub .500 teams than perhaps he's not as good as those season numbers appear to be.

 

[SeattleSports]

I haven't seen the both of them enough to say one way or the other, but its completely fair to bring up the fact that Nova was better than Pineda in the 2nd half.

And its a very good point to bring up that Pineda didn't pitch well against good competition whereas Nova did (if you believe those numbers presented earlier. They were pretty striking).

So if Pineda can dominate sub .500 teams than perhaps he's not as good as those season numbers appear to be.

You cannot be serious. Once again, go look at Nova's #'s. He's NOT a great pitcher as his stats clearly show. I'm not saying he's a bad pitcher, I'm saying he's not even close to a #1 or a #2.

 

[JustinVerlander35]

First move:

Brandon Inge, you are no longer on my team.
Jacob Turner will be my fifth man in my rotation.

Trade:
Andy Oliver, Delmon Young, and player to be named later for Chase Headly.

 

[markakis8]

You can't seriously be saying that you'd rather have Ivan Nova than Michael Pineda.

Don't bother Wes. He's one of the two complete homers on this board. He would take Boone Logan over Michael Pineda.

 

[vwnut13]

I haven't seen the both of them enough to say one way or the other, but its completely fair to bring up the fact that Nova was better than Pineda in the 2nd half.

And its a very good point to bring up that Pineda didn't pitch well against good competition whereas Nova did (if you believe those numbers presented earlier. They were pretty striking).

So if Pineda can dominate sub .500 teams than perhaps he's not as good as those season numbers appear to be.

You cannot be serious. Once again, go look at Nova's #'s. He's NOT a great pitcher as his stats clearly show. I'm not saying he's a bad pitcher, I'm saying he's not even close to a #1 or a #2.

Well, now that Pineda and Nova are on the same team.....

A monster he may be, but to the Yankees front office, Pineda is still a monster-in-training, hence Girardi's reluctance to anoint him the No. 2 starter in the rotation, a spot that is more likely to go to Ivan Nova or Hiroki Kuroda.
...
"But there is a gap to close on things. He’s got to develop his changeup. It’s a below average pitch for him right now. I don’t think there’s a number one or two starter in the big leagues right now with only two pitches.'' GM Brian Cashman said.

That is why no one should be surprised if Pineda winds up the No. 3 or No. 4 guy in the Yankees rotation.

Seems to me like the Yankees think Nova is closer to a number 2 than Pineda.

 

[chompsmcgee]

A monster he may be, but to the Yankees front office, Pineda is still a monster-in-training, hence Girardi's reluctance to anoint him the No. 2 starter in the rotation, a spot that is more likely to go to Ivan Nova or Hiroki Kuroda.
...
"But there is a gap to close on things. He’s got to develop his changeup. It’s a below average pitch for him right now. I don’t think there’s a number one or two starter in the big leagues right now with only two pitches.'' GM Brian Cashman said.

That is why no one should be surprised if Pineda winds up the No. 3 or No. 4 guy in the Yankees rotation.

Seems to me like the Yankees think Nova is closer to a number 2 than Pineda.

Seems to me you put a lot of stock in specifically who your #2, #3, #4 guy is. Nova, Pineda, and Sabathia will all be in the rotation. Once the season starts it's just an arbitrary number.

 

[trevordchi]

If I were GM of the Astros I would hire Tim Papura to be one of the wieners that race around the field. He would always come in last and once a month he would have to publicly apologize for the turmoil he caused us the last 5 years.