Gold and orange refractor pricing question

[tommyfro21]

General question here...

How much more do you typically value an orange refractor compared to a gold refractor? I'm not sure if it matters on who the player is or if it has an auto.

Should the orange go for twice as much as the gold ref?

 

[Messier2]

From my experience, an orange rarely goes 2x a gold unless a player is super hot. It's more like a small premium but not 2x in general.

 

[marterburn]

assuming for this thread you're talking gold /50 & orange /25...this year's Topps Chrome threw a wrench in that.

Gold is such an iconic color / name that it demands a premium over what it "should". This just makes the oranges seem less valuable. Typically I'd say it's 1.2-1.5x in value.

However, if it's a hot player, 2x is not out of the question. And in the offseason or if the player is a non-prospect, I've seen golds and oranges go for the same price, or even the gold go for more.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

The difference between Gold and Orange is maybe 25% more I would think. 25-50 copies and such a subtle difference in look really hasn't grabbed too much attention. Plus, to me, I'd rather have the Gold Refractor simply because of the tradition.

 

[tommyfro21]

From my experience, an orange rarely goes 2x a gold unless a player is super hot. It's more like a small premium but not 2x in general.

So let me toss out an example...just made up some numbers here.

Gold refractor sells for $20
Orange would likely sell for $30? $35? But likely not $40 unless it is hot?

And for extra credit...what if the orange is a BGS 9.5? How much does that change the game?

 

[tommyfro21]

Thanks for bringing this up, Max.

I should have added Bowman Chrome gold ref /50 and orange ref /25.

assuming for this thread you're talking gold /50 & orange /25...this year's Topps Chrome threw a wrench in that.

Gold is such an iconic color / name that it demands a premium over what it "should". This just makes the oranges seem less valuable. Typically I'd say it's 1.2-1.5x in value.

However, if it's a hot player, 2x is not out of the question. And in the offseason or if the player is a non-prospect, I've seen golds and oranges go for the same price, or even the gold go for more.

 

[Huffamaniac]

Gold multiplied by 1.25 is what I price an orange at. Like many have mentioned if a palyer is red hot, a premium of 50% to 100% can be seen

 

[tommyfro21]

The difference between Gold and Orange is maybe 25% more I would think. 25-50 copies and such a subtle difference in look really hasn't grabbed too much attention. Plus, to me, I'd rather have the Gold Refractor simply because of the tradition.

So would you go as far to say that gold refractors are better investments than orange refractors?

 

[sheetskout]

No.

Generally the best ROI are on Blues and lower. Some of the best ROI I have had has been on base lots.

There is more risk involved in higher-end refractors.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

No.

Generally the best ROI are on Blues and lower. Some of the best ROI I have had has been on base lots.

There is more risk involved in higher-end refractors.

I'd even take Blue Refractors out of it.

If a player blows up, base and refractors seem to have the largest percentage increase simply because there are a lot more buyers interested in $5 cards than $25-50. The trade off obviously is moving a greater quantity, but even large lots of base singles do exceptionally well when a player blows up.

All said, Orange, Gold, Red, etc...are solid only at dirt cheap prices in my opinion.

 

[tommyfro21]

Yeah, the orange refractors I have looked at are between 35-50. Golds are going around 25 so i don't think either are too big of a risk.

I have debated stock-piling some oranges though but I'm trying to ensure I'm not paying too much on the front end so I can leave room for potential profit when it's time to sell.

My only problem with selling base and refractors are that if a lot of people decide to sell at the same time, your card doesn't stand out as much. Sometimes a large profit can be made, but I think the player has to really be blowing up to have that happen.

Blue refs and sometimes gold refs can have a nice profit margin due to supply and demand. I've never done this with orange refs before so I'm entering a new territory and don't want to burn myself.

No.

Generally the best ROI are on Blues and lower. Some of the best ROI I have had has been on base lots.

There is more risk involved in higher-end refractors.

I'd even take Blue Refractors out of it.

If a player blows up, base and refractors seem to have the largest percentage increase simply because there are a lot more buyers interested in $5 cards than $25-50. The trade off obviously is moving a greater quantity, but even large lots of base singles do exceptionally well when a player blows up.

All said, Orange, Gold, Red, etc...are solid only at dirt cheap prices in my opinion.

 

[jkeys]

No.

Generally the best ROI are on Blues and lower. Some of the best ROI I have had has been on base lots.

There is more risk involved in higher-end refractors.

I'd even take Blue Refractors out of it.

If a player blows up, base and refractors seem to have the largest percentage increase simply because there are a lot more buyers interested in $5 cards than $25-50. The trade off obviously is moving a greater quantity, but even large lots of base singles do exceptionally well when a player blows up.

All said, Orange, Gold, Red, etc...are solid only at dirt cheap prices in my opinion.

I've realized my greatest % return on base refractors. Hank Conger and Freddie Freeman were great examples. Net profit was 2 X initial investment. Some of the higher end stuff only had a net of 20% to 30% or so. With that said, the time factor is in the equation. You could buy 20 refractors...or buy one orange. Moving one orange takes far less time than moving 20 individual refractors. But for a pure % investment the lower end stuff usually outproduces, as noted, due to a higher range of potential buyers.

 

[All The Hype]

assuming for this thread you're talking gold /50 & orange /25...this year's Topps Chrome threw a wrench in that.

Gold is such an iconic color / name that it demands a premium over what it "should". This just makes the oranges seem less valuable. Typically I'd say it's 1.2-1.5x in value.

However, if it's a hot player, 2x is not out of the question. And in the offseason or if the player is a non-prospect, I've seen golds and oranges go for the same price, or even the gold go for more.

I thanked your post, this is pretty much exactly how I see this.

Only thing I'd like to add is that for autos, there seems to be a much more defined price difference between gold and orange. Rarely will the Golds outsell Oranges if both are auto'd.