Gonzalez traded to Boston

[mwashuc06]

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/ne ... id=5880440

 

[MacK]

Re: Agon to Boston

Misleading title, don't you think?

 

[scotty21690]

Re: Agon to Boston

:shock: .

Would be sad if Kalish or Reddick got traded but this just could be the big bat we have been searching for!

 

[Seiya]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

Gonzo won't be able to swing a bat til April, but its still a smart move by the Padres to get something in return before he leaves.

 

[rymflaherty]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

With Theo's man crush on Gonzalez....it's always felt more like "when" than "if" they would get him.
Suppose the shoulder is a concern though, especially if you're giving up the farm for him. Saw on one of the main Sox sites someone post that they had "sources" he either was in or on his way to Boston for a physical.....so waiting to see if that's true.

 

[MojoDan]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

Hopefully its not Reddick!

That being said, I would be thrilled to see Gonzalez and any one of Werth, Upton, or Crawford in Boston.

 

[Lifelongfan]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

Leave Anthony Rizzo alone.

 

[theplasticman]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

This would be fantastic for my fantasy baseball team

 

[rymflaherty]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

Seeing more and more reporters on this story....so have to imagine it's more than spinning the wheels at this point.
Latest tweet from Olney says they've been discussing combo deals, one which would include Heath Bell

Interesting that this seems like the first time Theo is willing to let go of the top prospects in the system....It either speaks volumes of how he views Gonzalez or they seemed to have a great draft last year, or maybe that combined with the compensation picks they'll receive this year have him believing they'll reload.

 

[mredsox89]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

Seeing more and more reporters on this story....so have to imagine it's more than spinning the wheels at this point.
Latest tweet from Olney says they've been discussing combo deals, one which would include Heath Bell

Interesting that this seems like the first time Theo is willing to let go of the top prospects in the system....It either speaks volumes of how he views Gonzalez or they seemed to have a great draft last year, or maybe that combined with the compensation picks they'll receive this year have him believing they'll reload.

I think it is a combination of all of them. There drafts since 2005 have produced a high quantity of solid prospects. The team also views Gonzalez as the franchise hitter, similar to their pursuit of Teixeira a few seasons ago. I'm sure it helps that the SD FO is essentially the Redsox FO just missing Theo. The sox have multiple major league bats they are willing to part with (Ellsbury/Scutaro), the top level pitching prospect in Kelly, and numerous other parts that Hoyer and company seem to be interested in.

I think as long as the sox end up with 2 of Gonzalez/Beltre/Crawford/Werth they will be a better team than last season

 

[baseballguy350]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

Way too much smoke in the twitterverse for there not to be fire. I would be surprised if Rosenthal doesn't tweet that a deal has been agreed to in principle within 36 hours.

The latest Heath bell wrinkle makes me think that Bard could be included. I imagine 2 of Kelly/Rizzo/Iglesias + 2 of the Pimentel/Britton/Navarro type go over to SD. If Bard is included, obviously I would expect the prospect return to be much less (i.e. Bard + 1 of the three a's, one of the three b's, and a C)

 

[mredsox89]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

Way too much smoke in the twitterverse for there not to be fire. I would be surprised if Rosenthal doesn't tweet that a deal has been agreed to in principle within 36 hours.

The latest Heath bell wrinkle makes me think that Bard could be included. I imagine 2 of Kelly/Rizzo/Iglesias + 2 of the Pimentel/Britton/Navarro type go over to SD. If Bard is included, obviously I would expect the prospect return to be much less (i.e. Bard + 1 of the three a's, one of the three b's, and a C)

Ellsbury, Scutaro, Kelly, Stolmy, Rizzo for Gonzalez/Bell, with teams swapping some lower level prospects

 

[MallCopKJ]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

Way, way, way, way, way, way too much to give up for a guy that will be a free agent next year. Ok, so you say: "The Padres will trade him to someone, if the Red Sox don't act now they will miss out and won't have a chance to get him next offseason."

My argument? Gonzalez and his agent know the sox want him badly. even if he was to be traded to say, the Cubs, there's nothing forcing him to sign with them. He can still become a free agent next year. Another factor that adds into this thing are the Yankees. They have Teixeira and will/would not attempt to sign Gonzalez. The sox would be able to offer him the biggest amount next year with no Yankee team chasing after him.

This team has made 2 big mistakes in the past few seasons. Not getting Teixeira and now not resigning V-Mart. If the Sox are willing to sign Crawford this offseason (and stay far the hell away from Werth) and then trade for Gonzalez, great. But, if they trade the farm for Gonzalez and simply add a few relievers with no other big names, might as well forget it and just wait till next year and keep your prospects.

 

[rymflaherty]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

Way too much smoke in the twitterverse for there not to be fire. I would be surprised if Rosenthal doesn't tweet that a deal has been agreed to in principle within 36 hours.

The latest Heath bell wrinkle makes me think that Bard could be included. I imagine 2 of Kelly/Rizzo/Iglesias + 2 of the Pimentel/Britton/Navarro type go over to SD. If Bard is included, obviously I would expect the prospect return to be much less (i.e. Bard + 1 of the three a's, one of the three b's, and a C)

Ellsbury, Scutaro, Kelly, Stolmy, Rizzo for Gonzalez/Bell, with teams swapping some lower level prospects

It would be a shame to see Kelly go.....but I think I can live with that.
Guess I trust Theo at this point....seeing the way they protected Lester and Buchholz.....you have to believe that if they think they have a future ace in their hands they are going to hold on no matter what the cost. If this goes through maybe that's an indication they believe Kelly is a notch below.
Maybe there's also little doubt now regarding Renaudo's health and he'll quickly become the #1 pitching prospect.

Funny that I'm pretty much indifferent to Ellsbury leaving at this point.

oh and when I say I can live with that.....that's obviously contingent on a deal being in place beyond this year.

 

[baseballguy350]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

No deal will happen without an extension or a hand-shake agreement of one to come.

This thread is a waste of time without vmut.

As soon as it goes official, I will make the "Adrian headed to the Red Sox" thread (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73754&hilit=adrian+headed)

 

[vwnut13]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

Hey baseballguy, Gonzalez will hit 60 HR in Fenway.

 

[scotty21690]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

Way too much smoke in the twitterverse for there not to be fire. I would be surprised if Rosenthal doesn't tweet that a deal has been agreed to in principle within 36 hours.

The latest Heath bell wrinkle makes me think that Bard could be included. I imagine 2 of Kelly/Rizzo/Iglesias + 2 of the Pimentel/Britton/Navarro type go over to SD. If Bard is included, obviously I would expect the prospect return to be much less (i.e. Bard + 1 of the three a's, one of the three b's, and a C)

I'm willing to bet that Bard is NOT traded.

 

[rymflaherty]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

Way, way, way, way, way, way too much to give up for a guy that will be a free agent next year. Ok, so you say: "The Padres will trade him to someone, if the Red Sox don't act now they will miss out and won't have a chance to get him next offseason."

My argument? Gonzalez and his agent know the sox want him badly. even if he was to be traded to say, the Cubs, there's nothing forcing him to sign with them. He can still become a free agent next year. Another factor that adds into this thing are the Yankees. They have Teixeira and will/would not attempt to sign Gonzalez. The sox would be able to offer him the biggest amount next year with no Yankee team chasing after him.

This team has made 2 big mistakes in the past few seasons. Not getting Teixeira and now not resigning V-Mart. If the Sox are willing to sign Crawford this offseason (and stay far the hell away from Werth) and then trade for Gonzalez, great. But, if they trade the farm for Gonzalez and simply add a few relievers with no other big names, might as well forget it and just wait till next year and keep your prospects.

As you were saying - there are potential problems that can occur by waiting. Any number of things could happen beyond Theo's control.

You also have to factor in this off-season for the Red Sox. You can wait and hope a year for Gonzalez, but what happens in the meantime?
The best option for the 2010 team would then be bringing back Beltre.....but if you make that move then you probably don't/can't go after Gonzalez.
So then you're probably going the patchwork route.....Bring in Lee if you can get him for a 1 year contract? Try Lowrie at 3rd? Some average at best vet? ...... waiting for a guy you may not even land. That could work out favorable, if everything goes as planned, but it is also risky.

 

[mwashuc06]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

Can't wait until I see those Ellsbury BC 2005 Autos going for 20 when he is traded.

 

[scotty21690]

Re: Gonzalez trade possible to Boston

Way, way, way, way, way, way too much to give up for a guy that will be a free agent next year. Ok, so you say: "The Padres will trade him to someone, if the Red Sox don't act now they will miss out and won't have a chance to get him next offseason."

My argument? Gonzalez and his agent know the sox want him badly. even if he was to be traded to say, the Cubs, there's nothing forcing him to sign with them. He can still become a free agent next year. Another factor that adds into this thing are the Yankees. They have Teixeira and will/would not attempt to sign Gonzalez. The sox would be able to offer him the biggest amount next year with no Yankee team chasing after him.

This team has made 2 big mistakes in the past few seasons. Not getting Teixeira and now not resigning V-Mart. If the Sox are willing to sign Crawford this offseason (and stay far the hell away from Werth) and then trade for Gonzalez, great. But, if they trade the farm for Gonzalez and simply add a few relievers with no other big names, might as well forget it and just wait till next year and keep your prospects.

As you were saying - there are potential problems that can occur by waiting. Any number of things could happen beyond Theo's control.

You also have to factor in this off-season for the Red Sox. You can wait and hope a year for Gonzalez, but what happens in the meantime?
The best option for the 2010 team would then be bringing back Beltre.....but if you make that move then you probably don't/can't go after Gonzalez.
So then you're probably going the patchwork route.....Bring in Lee if you can get him for a 1 year contract? Try Lowrie at 3rd? Some average at best vet? ...... waiting for a guy you may not even land. That could work out favorable, if everything goes as planned, but it is also risky.

As well as not even competing in the AL East for 2011.....