goodbye... from general boards anyways

[KandKCards]

Even though we probably disagreed on a lot, I appreciate the open response to my question in the Oval office cut thread.
I don't plan on busting any Razor products, but I'll buy you a beer at Nationals :lol:

 

[archiebunkerjr]

I must be living in a cave. I didn't realize there was so much drama going on with Razor threads. Brian, I will send you a PM.

 

[ballerskrip]

Wow, you really do sound like those tools over at Upper Deck an Topps, turning up your nose at the consumer. Now that you have USED THIS BOARD to PIMP YOUR PRODUCT and get it off the ground, you are too good to be a part of it. Pretty sad in my opinion. I suppose it mad alot of business sense, but there are many poeple who saw through it. There are those that will keep patting you on the back and telling you how great you are, that has already been shown in this thread. And likely those people are looking to get something out of deal at some point, that's just the way the world works. I had some questions about Razor, and I am glad to say I enoyed the product and have high hopes for the future. I am truly looking forward to new products and hope they do well, But your post really rubbed me the wrong way. "we better not say anything bad about Razor, or we will get sued". Gosh, if that is the case, go away. Get your 10 boy toys, yes men, whatever you want to call them and start and email chain. That way no one can interfere and give you real criticism.

"Too many members have made statements that were not fact, in which at least a couple of cases were absolutely a case of slander/libel. In future, rather than arguing, we will deal with slander/libel in the proper legal manner."

 

[Bob Loblaw]

It's amazing that in the past few months, how the sentiment of this board has gone to me being the only one to question what Razor was doing and the long term investment potential, as well as the impact on our hobby, vs now a good portion of the board not liking the man or the product.

As always, I wish him well and wish his products luck.

 

[beefycheddar]

Wow, you really do sound like those tools over at Upper Deck an Topps, turning up your nose at the consumer.

How many times have you ever personally spoke to anyone from Topps, Upper Deck or Razor? To bash them the way you did in your post? I have spoken to reps from each company on many occasions and find them to be extremely accommodating and engaged in this hobby.

The fact that people from companies do not come on the board speaks volumes. It turns in to a bunch of savages when they do and everyone either kisses up to them as much as possible, or brutally smashes them and questions everything they do.

I think it is a loss for the board if Brian leaves, but I know he is one of the most accessible people to speak cards with so anyone can still reach him. But of course that's not good enough for some, and no quarter will be given to him.

 

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[ballerskrip]

Wow, you really do sound like those tools over at Upper Deck an Topps, turning up your nose at the consumer.

How many times have you ever personally spoke to anyone from Topps, Upper Deck or Razor? To bash them the way you did in your post? I have spoken to reps from each company on many occasions and find them to be extremely accommodating and engaged in this hobby.

The fact that people from companies do not come on the board speaks volumes. It turns in to a bunch of savages when they do and everyone either kisses up to them as much as possible, or brutally smashes them and questions everything they do.

I think it is a loss for the board if Brian leaves, but I know he is one of the most accessible people to speak cards with so anyone can still reach him. But of course that's not good enough for some, and no quarter will be given to him.

You didn't see a change from when Brian got here til now? From We are the "people's company" to we are too good for you and this board. WE take criticism to make the product better to now... Libel and slander and yadadadad, we will sue you....

Yeah, turning up the nose is about right.

 

[abncollectsautos]

good luck with your company

 

[Jaypers]

I'm going to give my $0.02 in this matter, then I'm going to leave this thread (as I've been saying what I'm about to say ad nauseum and don't feel like arguing relentlessly about it) and let Brian's critics who post in here pick it apart if they want.

As has been mentioned many times, he's one of the only card company representatives who posts and takes the time to answer questions. Do some of his statements rub some the wrong way? Sure. But if you talk to him over the phone you won't find anyone who's more accomodating and ready to please the consumer. I've spoken to both Topps and UD reps on the phone over the years, and either they don't know anything about what I'm talking about or just brush me off.

No, I am not a yes-man when it comes to him. As you all might not recall, I was one of his biggest critics when he first started posting on BMB, making what I thought were grandiose claims. But he backed them up, all the while listening to input and fashioning his products accordingly. And he ended up being good for the hobby as a whole. Do you guys think Topps would have made the improvements to 2008 BDP had Brian not been here to light a fire underneath them? Obviously Topps would disagree, but I maintain the answer is no. Same goes with UD and their 2009 USA product. All of a sudden, it goes ultra high-end, with the production being slashed by about 2/3rds. Coincidence? I'd argue no.

What drove him away from this board was not people who disagreed with him or questioned his intentions. If you still want to criticize his products, you can. I definitely do, to this day. The new board where he posts is not populated with boot-lickers, despite what some may think. They were created to allow people to give their input, both positive and negative.

You may not like his motives all the time, but he has proven that they'll get people talking, which is the best advertisement of all. I may be wrong, but I think Razor-related threads get more posts than any other on these boards. I maintain they will in the future as well, even without him. He only brought up legal matters when accused of legal wrongdoings. I didn't take his responses as arrogant; please feel free to point out an instance where he was the instigator.

Bottom line: you can't please all of the people all of the time. We all have our own thoughts on what makes a good, popular product, and he does take our ideas into consideration.

That's all I have.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Speaking of which...I need a new pair of boots.

 

[bhen]

Wow, you really do sound like those tools over at Upper Deck an Topps, turning up your nose at the consumer. Now that you have USED THIS BOARD to PIMP YOUR PRODUCT and get it off the ground, you are too good to be a part of it. Pretty sad in my opinion. I suppose it mad alot of business sense, but there are many poeple who saw through it. There are those that will keep patting you on the back and telling you how great you are, that has already been shown in this thread. And likely those people are looking to get something out of deal at some point, that's just the way the world works. I had some questions about Razor, and I am glad to say I enoyed the product and have high hopes for the future. I am truly looking forward to new products and hope they do well, But your post really rubbed me the wrong way. "we better not say anything bad about Razor, or we will get sued". Gosh, if that is the case, go away. Get your 10 boy toys, yes men, whatever you want to call them and start and email chain. That way no one can interfere and give you real criticism.

"Too many members have made statements that were not fact, in which at least a couple of cases were absolutely a case of slander/libel. In future, rather than arguing, we will deal with slander/libel in the proper legal manner."

I've never posted in a Razor topic, but this is exactly how I feel.

 

[thefasterblade]

Its really not that sad as hes once again not really going anywhere. Hes just going to a separate forum where morons can't harass him about the appearance and the legitimacy of his cards. It will not surprise me when this same situation comes up again and he has to leave the special "razor forums".

 

[ThoseBackPages]

as i mentioned in his last "This is goodbye" thread, he should have his own personal FCB account for posting on the public message board.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Its really not that sad as hes once again not really going anywhere. Hes just going to a separate forum where morons can't harass him about the appearance and the legitimacy of his cards. It will not surprise me when this same situation comes up again and he has to leave the special "razor forums".

Those who state this in the special razor forums, I suspect, will be disinvited from said special razor forums.

 

[nborton]

Wow, you really do sound like those tools over at Upper Deck an Topps, turning up your nose at the consumer. Now that you have USED THIS BOARD to PIMP YOUR PRODUCT and get it off the ground, you are too good to be a part of it. Pretty sad in my opinion. I suppose it mad alot of business sense, but there are many poeple who saw through it. There are those that will keep patting you on the back and telling you how great you are, that has already been shown in this thread. And likely those people are looking to get something out of deal at some point, that's just the way the world works. I had some questions about Razor, and I am glad to say I enoyed the product and have high hopes for the future. I am truly looking forward to new products and hope they do well, But your post really rubbed me the wrong way. "we better not say anything bad about Razor, or we will get sued". Gosh, if that is the case, go away. Get your 10 boy toys, yes men, whatever you want to call them and start and email chain. That way no one can interfere and give you real criticism.

"Too many members have made statements that were not fact, in which at least a couple of cases were absolutely a case of slander/libel. In future, rather than arguing, we will deal with slander/libel in the proper legal manner."

As someone who's not bought any Razor it does seem a little like this. However, almost all the complaints have nothing to do with actual card design or who is in the sets. Most of what people keep harping on are the lack of a license, and saying the cuts are fake.

A. they can't get a license so why argue about that.

B. the cuts are authenticated by the top graders in the industry. Outside of seeing the auto being signed in person, that's the best any company can do.

It's better off this way. No more stupid threads arguing about nonsense that can't be changed.

 

[masonphillip]

Wow, you really do sound like those tools over at Upper Deck an Topps, turning up your nose at the consumer.

How many times have you ever personally spoke to anyone from Topps, Upper Deck or Razor? To bash them the way you did in your post? I have spoken to reps from each company on many occasions and find them to be extremely accommodating and engaged in this hobby.

The fact that people from companies do not come on the board speaks volumes. It turns in to a bunch of savages when they do and everyone either kisses up to them as much as possible, or brutally smashes them and questions everything they do.

I think it is a loss for the board if Brian leaves, but I know he is one of the most accessible people to speak cards with so anyone can still reach him. But of course that's not good enough for some, and no quarter will be given to him.

You didn't see a change from when Brian got here til now? From We are the "people's company" to we are too good for you and this board. WE take criticism to make the product better to now... Libel and slander and yadadadad, we will sue you....

Yeah, turning up the nose is about right.

Matt, sorry, gotta disagree with you bud, there was a change in demeanor that was directly brought about by the unreal criticism and such he took here. It didn't just change overnight due to success of first product or anything else. If I was Brian, I would have done the exact same, it is no coincidence that card producers don't post on here.

 

[ballerskrip]

Wow, you really do sound like those tools over at Upper Deck an Topps, turning up your nose at the consumer.

How many times have you ever personally spoke to anyone from Topps, Upper Deck or Razor? To bash them the way you did in your post? I have spoken to reps from each company on many occasions and find them to be extremely accommodating and engaged in this hobby.

The fact that people from companies do not come on the board speaks volumes. It turns in to a bunch of savages when they do and everyone either kisses up to them as much as possible, or brutally smashes them and questions everything they do.

I think it is a loss for the board if Brian leaves, but I know he is one of the most accessible people to speak cards with so anyone can still reach him. But of course that's not good enough for some, and no quarter will be given to him.

You didn't see a change from when Brian got here til now? From We are the "people's company" to we are too good for you and this board. WE take criticism to make the product better to now... Libel and slander and yadadadad, we will sue you....

Yeah, turning up the nose is about right.

Matt, sorry, gotta disagree with you bud, there was a change in demeanor that was directly brought about by the unreal criticism and such he took here. It didn't just change overnight due to success of first product or anything else. If I was Brian, I would have done the exact same, it is no coincidence that card producers don't post on here.

did you read my other post.... because I think it is dead on.

 

[masonphillip]

Wow, you really do sound like those tools over at Upper Deck an Topps, turning up your nose at the consumer.

How many times have you ever personally spoke to anyone from Topps, Upper Deck or Razor? To bash them the way you did in your post? I have spoken to reps from each company on many occasions and find them to be extremely accommodating and engaged in this hobby.

The fact that people from companies do not come on the board speaks volumes. It turns in to a bunch of savages when they do and everyone either kisses up to them as much as possible, or brutally smashes them and questions everything they do.

I think it is a loss for the board if Brian leaves, but I know he is one of the most accessible people to speak cards with so anyone can still reach him. But of course that's not good enough for some, and no quarter will be given to him.

You didn't see a change from when Brian got here til now? From We are the "people's company" to we are too good for you and this board. WE take criticism to make the product better to now... Libel and slander and yadadadad, we will sue you....

Yeah, turning up the nose is about right.

Matt, sorry, gotta disagree with you bud, there was a change in demeanor that was directly brought about by the unreal criticism and such he took here. It didn't just change overnight due to success of first product or anything else. If I was Brian, I would have done the exact same, it is no coincidence that card producers don't post on here.

did you read my other post.... because I think it is dead on.

I did, if he was too good to be a part of the boards after pimping the product there would be no reason for him to take phone calls, emails, PMs, do live chats and be on the razor development boards either, he's just leaving the pitchforks and torches mentality minded general boards.

 

[ballerskrip]

[quote="ballerskrip":2cm06msx]Wow, you really do sound like those tools over at Upper Deck an Topps, turning up your nose at the consumer.

How many times have you ever personally spoke to anyone from Topps, Upper Deck or Razor? To bash them the way you did in your post? I have spoken to reps from each company on many occasions and find them to be extremely accommodating and engaged in this hobby.

The fact that people from companies do not come on the board speaks volumes. It turns in to a bunch of savages when they do and everyone either kisses up to them as much as possible, or brutally smashes them and questions everything they do.

I think it is a loss for the board if Brian leaves, but I know he is one of the most accessible people to speak cards with so anyone can still reach him. But of course that's not good enough for some, and no quarter will be given to him.

You didn't see a change from when Brian got here til now? From We are the "people's company" to we are too good for you and this board. WE take criticism to make the product better to now... Libel and slander and yadadadad, we will sue you....

Yeah, turning up the nose is about right.

Matt, sorry, gotta disagree with you bud, there was a change in demeanor that was directly brought about by the unreal criticism and such he took here. It didn't just change overnight due to success of first product or anything else. If I was Brian, I would have done the exact same, it is no coincidence that card producers don't post on here.

did you read my other post.... because I think it is dead on.

I did, if he was too good to be a part of the boards after pimping the product there would be no reason for him to take phone calls, emails, PMs, do live chats and be on the razor development boards either, he's just leaving the pitchforks and torches mentality minded general boards.[/quote:2cm06msx]

Yes and no. He wants to keep his "backers" happy. Phil, you know I like you man, so don't take this the wrong way, but you have Brian's back and would never say anything bad about razor or brian. He has his "crew" and you are a part of that. I get it, I don't talk bad about my crew either. But the blind defense is getting old. Any fool can realize that he Pimped his product, pushed it hard, got people on these boards interested, and now he is too good for the board. Now that WE, the board members have helped him get his product off the ground, he threatens with lawyers and lawsuits.

I guess you can't see that, or don't want to, or just treasure the relationship with Brian that you have created.
matt

 

[NECpilgrims8]

[quote="beefycheddar":u6gmze0p][quote="ballerskrip":u6gmze0p]Wow, you really do sound like those tools over at Upper Deck an Topps, turning up your nose at the consumer.

How many times have you ever personally spoke to anyone from Topps, Upper Deck or Razor? To bash them the way you did in your post? I have spoken to reps from each company on many occasions and find them to be extremely accommodating and engaged in this hobby.

The fact that people from companies do not come on the board speaks volumes. It turns in to a bunch of savages when they do and everyone either kisses up to them as much as possible, or brutally smashes them and questions everything they do.

I think it is a loss for the board if Brian leaves, but I know he is one of the most accessible people to speak cards with so anyone can still reach him. But of course that's not good enough for some, and no quarter will be given to him.

You didn't see a change from when Brian got here til now? From We are the "people's company" to we are too good for you and this board. WE take criticism to make the product better to now... Libel and slander and yadadadad, we will sue you....

Yeah, turning up the nose is about right.

Matt, sorry, gotta disagree with you bud, there was a change in demeanor that was directly brought about by the unreal criticism and such he took here. It didn't just change overnight due to success of first product or anything else. If I was Brian, I would have done the exact same, it is no coincidence that card producers don't post on here.

did you read my other post.... because I think it is dead on.

I did, if he was too good to be a part of the boards after pimping the product there would be no reason for him to take phone calls, emails, PMs, do live chats and be on the razor development boards either, he's just leaving the pitchforks and torches mentality minded general boards.[/quote:u6gmze0p]

Yes and no. He wants to keep his "backers" happy. Phil, you know I like you man, so don't take this the wrong way, but you have Brian's back and would never say anything bad about razor or brian. He has his "crew" and you are a part of that. I get it, I don't talk bad about my crew either. But the blind defense is getting old. Any fool can realize that he Pimped his product, pushed it hard, got people on these boards interested, and now he is too good for the board. Now that WE, the board members have helped him get his product off the ground, he threatens with lawyers and lawsuits.

I guess you can't see that, or don't want to, or just treasure the relationship with Brian that you have created.
matt[/quote:u6gmze0p]

Matt, I love you man and we are part of the same close circle, but what you are saying is a bit overboard. None of us are his "backers" or his "crew".

Do we believe in the product line and their vision? Absolutely.
Do we have some major issues with the product and how the company is currently working? ABSOLUTELY!

To hear you, of all people, come out and say the stuff you did, really disappoints me. I would have thought you could see the big issue here and why Brian is doing exactly what he should have done a while back. Personally, I feel that Brian is sometimes trying to be too nice, helpful, and accessable to everyone, which can really leave him wide open.

Brian isn't "too good" for the boards. He just doesn't need to be subject to slander, lies, and conspiracy theories that can potentially hurt his company (when it's completely uncalled for). Anyone can see that even when stuff gets addressed and the facts are set straight, there are still people trying to push the envelope with bad intentions.