Graded Trimmed Cards

[teachervido]

ok, thank you for your post.


another question
if I bought say a BGS 9 off of him, is there anyway for me to tell if it is trimmed while it is encased?

yes....

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

what are the standard measurements?
and what leniency does BGS give, because I heard one company (I forget which one) has some sort of leniency when measuring for trimming

You're serious?

Don't you own a raw Cabrera traded rookie?

Measure it.

For future reference, the general standard size for modern baseball cards is 2.5" by 3.5".

 

[miguelcabrera]

what are the standard measurements?
and what leniency does BGS give, because I heard one company (I forget which one) has some sort of leniency when measuring for trimming

You're serious?

Don't you own a raw Cabrera traded rookie?

Measure it.

For future reference, the general standard size for modern baseball cards is 2.5" by 3.5".

ok thanks, i will compare it to the raws.
I'm going to ask the seller to measure them and I will compare to mine

my ruler has CM's down to 1/10th of a CM, i hope that is all right

 

[iphoner111]

what do you guys hate on him so much

 

[ThoseBackPages]

If you feel a card is trimmed, do not buy it.
BGS is pretty respected in the secondary market, and YES, stuff does get by them
from time to time.
The Sky is NOT falling, everything will be ok if you decide not to buy from the guy.
also, i wonder what the seller is thinking having to field all of these questions about a card thats already slabbed

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

what do you guys hate on him so much

Fixed it for you.

 

[Topnotchsy]

While the OP may have asked some questions in the past that were questionable, I don't see the issue with this post. While the grammar, spelling and sentence structure could use some work, I think the questions (I think there is more than one in there) are fairly easy to understand, and I think they are valid.

I am of the belief (though I am not 100% certain) that for cards without a border (like 2000 TT Auto's) grading companies are more lenient. The pictures that the cards are cut from seem to be a bit larger than the card itself (so that when the cards are cut, a tiny miscut does not result in a card that has a small sliver from the next card over.) Because of this I believe that there is some leeway as far as the centering, as it's hard to say which one is "exactly" centered, unlike a bordered card where you can simply measure the borders.

As for the company's (BGS included) slabbing trimmed cards; it's definitely happened, and people can decide based on information they get how much of this is from cards that slip by, and how much of it is the company's "turning an eye" on occasion. That said, once a card is in a holder they are somewhat hard to measure, and most people are willing to trust the company's (once you stop trusting them, there's almost no one you can trust.) Because of this, you can either join the "sheep" in trusting the companies, knowing that you will likely never have to worry about the card being trimmed should you want to deal it, or you can sit and try to determine for yourself if the card was in fact trimmed, and base your decision on that knowing the company's probably can judge better than you can, and knowing that some cards actually come small to begin with (meaning even a smallish card could have come from the pack that way.)

 

[blanning71]

Ahh yes, another wonderful post from good ole Cabbage Patch!

Yes cards get by companies.
No we don't know what percentage.
Yes the Cabrera TT RC Auto is prone to trimming
No we don't know how many copies could have been trimmed.
Yes BGS can make mistakes.
No we won't stop buying from them because they are considered by many as the "best".
Yes you can measure your cards raw.
Yes you can compare those measurements to those that are encased.
Yes it is then possible to make an educated guess as to trimming.
No you won't ever be sure.
Yes we will be here to help drag you through the muddy waters, known commonly as sports card collecting.

 

[boxbreaker]

personally i have opened a lot of packs from 84 till now. i have seen a lot of cards come from packs that are slightly larger or smaller. i feel no one can catch all the "trimmed" stuff and if it makes it by bgs, i am o.k. unless it is pretty obvious. if it was, i would hold the grading companies feet to the fire. i bought a card from a known trimmer before i realized who it was, but if this card (bgs 9.5) is trimmed it will be near impossible to detect and i like owning it.

just trying to help you out.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

personally i have opened a lot of packs from 84 till now. i have seen a lot of cards come from packs that are slightly larger or smaller. i feel no one can catch all the "trimmed" stuff and if it makes it by bgs, i am o.k. unless it is pretty obvious. if it was, i would hold the grading companies feet to the fire. i bought a card from a known trimmer before i realized who it was, but if this card (bgs 9.5) is trimmed it will be near impossible to detect and i like owning it.

just trying to help you out.

I am staring at an 800ct box full of nothing but 2006 Bowman Chrome Draft singles and not a single one strays even the slightest in height or width. Not one.

Now granted, it's possible, but considering most cards released today are cut with far more precision than years past...it's uncommon.

 

[miguelcabrera]

I am putting some random cards back to back (mainly 90's base cards) and some of them match up while others stray a little bit, granted it seems like all of the ones from the same product much up, it is when i match up different products, some of them stray a tiny bit

i measured my 2 miggy raws and they both came out to the same measurement, the guy gave me a list of measurements of his in bgs cases and they came out close, some are the exact same, while 2 are a little smaller, but he had to measure it within a bgs case, so it is tough for him to get an accurate measurement

does anyone have any TT RC autos they know for a fact are not trimmed, and can you give me a measurement on them

thanks

 

[blanning71]

I would debate the "precision" that these cards are cut with. In recent years I have seen an increase in the amount of miscut cards in my packs that I have opened. I have pulled more in the last few years than I did in recent memory before that. It seems that as companies rush to get their products out to consumers, they are more prone to cutting errors. I may be in the minority on this but, from my research on the subject, it seems to support what I have seen in local shops, shows, and speaking with fellow collectors in my region.

 

[matchpenalty]

You had to know all the graders have let stuff get by. Not a one is perfect. If you are anal about the already graded card, just buy a raw one or a different graded one.

 

[boxbreaker]

personally i have opened a lot of packs from 84 till now. i have seen a lot of cards come from packs that are slightly larger or smaller. i feel no one can catch all the "trimmed" stuff and if it makes it by bgs, i am o.k. unless it is pretty obvious. if it was, i would hold the grading companies feet to the fire. i bought a card from a known trimmer before i realized who it was, but if this card (bgs 9.5) is trimmed it will be near impossible to detect and i like owning it.

just trying to help you out.

I am staring at an 800ct box full of nothing but 2006 Bowman Chrome Draft singles and not a single one strays even the slightest in height or width. Not one.

Now granted, it's possible, but considering most cards released today are cut with far more precision than years past...it's uncommon.

i have not seen really any variance in size on bowman chrome. i also would not take my advice on this subject as i just open up wax to get a cheap thrill. not, i repeat not, an expert. i have gotten good at recognizing fake B.O. and patches thanks to members input.

 

[jcmint]

Its getting harder and harder to take some of these threads seriously.

 

[miguelcabrera]

Its getting harder and harder to take some of these threads seriously.

why?

 

[blanning71]

Its because of some of the questions you ask and statements you make. Some people feel that, due to previous interaction they have had with attention-mongers, you are following in the same footsteps. I can just chalk it up to your lack of information and inability to do some research before you ask these questions. Hey its a young mistake. I have seen these people turn their collections around after they became more seasoned with hobby knowledge.

Like I said, just think about what you post and if possible, do your own research. Do that before you ask so you don't take what some people on here say as "the gospel" and make decisions that might negatively impact your collecting.