Great Heritage Ty Cobb Auction...

[noaskiecards]

At the end of the day, nobody really knows if it's real...PSA is a business and they do their best...Even if half the items PSA authenticates are fake and it's all about the money, does it really matter? The only thing that truly matters is the perception that it is real...As they say perception is reality and everyone should stop complaining!!!

 

[ktho540]

If you want to blowout your PSA authenticated items, I am a buyer... BG

No way,man....Im waiting until the market for PSA authenticated Mistakes gets going!!!!

 

[csmtampa]

When collecting autographs, you have to buy the autograph and not the certificate.

If you cannot confidently determine whether the autograph is authentic or not, you probably shouldn't purchase it.

It's best to research, research, research before your throw down hard earned dollars for an autograph.

 

[fkw]

a personal check is the only autograph this is close to 100% guaranteed authentic

and they are far cheaper than a ball, or photo.....

 

[BunchOBull]

Dear Beckett Corporation,

I'll never purchase a PSA authenticated autograph again; but BGS, don't you worry, I know it was an honest mistake. I'll overlook this for you.

Sincerely,

Typical FCB Collector

 

[ChasHawk]

That ball looks like it was just picked up from a Little League game. Was Wilson even the Little League ball manufacturer back then? LOL

Allen

Did you take 40 seconds to read the linked article?

 

[ChasHawk]

Considering that it's from Heritage, that is some pretty epic failure right there. I'd love to hear the story / excuse from PSA/DNA and JSA

Having said that, the guy writing the article has a bit of a "colorful" hobby history as well:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-07 ... d-auctions

That article is more of an idictment of Lifson in my eyes.

 

[G $MONEY$]

HERITAGE RESPONSE about the "TY COBB" autographed ball


From Chris Ivy at Heritage...




Why is Heritage selling a Ty Cobb signed baseball that was produced after his death? It isn’t. How did PSA/DNA and James Spence authenticate the ball? They didn’t.

The answers are that simple.

This will come as a disappointment, certainly, to readers craving a juicy sports collectibles scandal, but if fidelity to truth is important to you, you probably wouldn’t be paying attention to Peter Nash anyhow. Try this Google search:

Peter Nash invoked the fifth amendment

Or this one:

Peter Nash admitted fraud

You’ll find some New York Daily News articles which will put this self-proclaimed White Knight of the Sports Collectibles industry in a proper context, and give lovers of scandal and/or irony plenty of enjoyment.

But back to the facts of this particular issue.

Whether or not the ball was ever “for sale,” as Mr. Nash contended, is not even a matter of debate. This lot was consigned to our April 26-27 Signature Auction #7051. Go and have a look at that auction online today. If someone is able to find an active bid button from this auction, or a current lot price, please post a screen shot.

This auction is in previews. It is not active. Nothing is currently “for sale.” Period.

Many of you know how the process works at a major auction house, but for those who don’t, here’s a very basic primer. For several months prior to an auction “going live,” material is consigned from hundreds of different sources. Today, as this is written, there are approximately 2500 lots slated for our April auction, and that number will grow. Not all of them will pass authentication—typically a small percentage of autographed lots will fail.

The cataloging (writing the catalog text) for an auction of this size requires hundreds of hours of work. Heritage, and every other major auction house, begins writing its catalog months before bidding goes live. Most houses don’t put their auctions in previews, but we do. We believe in giving our consignors the most exposure possible. This inevitably means that a small percentage of material visible on our site in previews is not genuine.

Heritage is one of the only auction houses that utilizes the services of both PSA/DNA and James Spence for its autograph authentication. We believe that the legitimacy of the material is of paramount importance, and our dual-authentication policy should illustrate this fact.

We fly each authentication service to Dallas after the consignment deadline so that all autographed material consigned to the auction will be in house. On this trip, the visits come within a week of our deadline to turn the catalog over for layout and printing.
So, the choices are as follows: 1) We can go back individually into seven or eight hundred lots in the incredibly hectic last few hours before our design deadline and add the “authentication tags.” Or, 2) We can add the authentication tags as we write during the weeks and months preceding the authentication process, and simply delete those lots that don’t pass when they are removed from the sale. After all, the bidding is not live, and nobody of reasonable intelligence could conclude that these lots are “For Sale” when they are clearly designated as “Coming Soon.”

And nobody of reasonable intelligence did reach this conclusion.

That’s not a comment on Mr. Nash’s intelligence. He’s very smart. He just doesn’t think that you are.

He saw an opportunity to grab some headlines, to drive traffic to his website, by making an outrageous allegation. The veracity of the statement, or lack thereof, wasn’t the issue. Imagine this headline: “Heritage has non-genuine material in previews that will never make it to auction.” Boring, right?

I can guarantee that the Cobb ball won’t be the last autographed lot booted from this auction. There are surely a few dozen lots in our previews right now that won’t make the cut.

But they’re not for sale. They never were. They never will be. And Mr. Nash always knew it.

We intend to change our policy and figure out a way to add the “authentication tags” only after the authenticators’ visits, in a way that will allow us to launch our auction on time. We have our Internet Technology department working on a way to hide the tags until the auction goes live. It’s apparently more complicated than it sounds, but as long as there are people like Mr. Nash out there desperately dreaming up scandals to deflect from his own, it’s a project and cost that makes sense.

 

[nyc3]

I had a feeling that was the case, heritage is super careful they remove items if they suspect anything. Besides Peter Nash is a thieving ****** who has committed fraud. That place should be the last place anyone gets their news from and it should be taken very lightly, like his rap career was.

Edit deadspin took the story from Nashs website.

 

[smapdi]

One of the things about checks I like is it's a snapshot of what's going on in a person's life. Apparently George Kelly needed not $10 but $9.56 at one point. Kinda random.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Well, at least both parties here are taking the low road.

Heritage had every opportunity to take the high road, and chose not to.

Regardless, I'm still really happy with my Ty Cobb signed Selig ball.

 

[G $MONEY$]

Well, at least both parties here are taking the low road.

Heritage had every opportunity to take the high road, and chose not to.

Regardless, I'm still really happy with my Ty Cobb signed Selig ball.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

NICE!!!


I still love my Cobb signed Bart Giamatti ball

 

[Captain Feathersword]

In 1933, $9.56 was equal to about $160.00.

One of the things about checks I like is it's a snapshot of what's going on in a person's life. Apparently George Kelly needed not $10 but $9.56 at one point. Kinda random.

 

[G $MONEY$]

I had a feeling that was the case, heritage is super careful they remove items if they suspect anything. Besides Peter Nash is a thieving ****** who has committed fraud. That place should be the last place anyone gets their news from and it should be taken very lightly, like his rap career was.

Edit deadspin took the story from Nashs website.

Regardless of what you think of Nash, this issue really has nothing to do with him. Heritage has to change their policy's on "preview Items" and not list items that are coming up for sale as having "a full PSA letter of authenticity and a JSA auction letter", when neither company has never even looked at the item.

Its great they are looking into changing this, but it is unfortunate that they are doing it now only when a major story like this takes place. Should have been done ions ago or actually they should never have ever listed items as being PSA and JSA authenticated before the items had even been looked at.

PSA and JSA should both be upset that Heritage has been doing this, as it looks very poorly on each of these companies. How many people have only read that article and now think PSA and JSA have no idea what they are doing? I bet there are thousands of people out there who have read the article and will never know that PSA and JSA have never actually even seen the item. Even on FCB here, had i not posted Heritage's reply on this and they aren't getting hobby news from different places, most would just keep on thinking that JSA and PSA both made major mistakes.

 

[RL24]

/\ It's the end of the world as we know it, it's the end....

In 1933, $9.56 was equal to about $160.00.

One of the things about checks I like is it's a snapshot of what's going on in a person's life. Apparently George Kelly needed not $10 but $9.56 at one point. Kinda random.

So he didn't write it for $10 because he knew that in the year 2012 people would look back and say "$10 is worth $171.73 now. Why didn't he write it for an even number?"


I mean really... it was made out to cash. He didn't need a 10 or 10 ones, he needed a penny and a nickle and a couple quarters... it really is weird to think about. I guess every penny counted in 1933 and you just didn't round up.

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

This is very interesting to me, in large part because there had been a beautiful Hack Wilson signed exhibit card in Heritage's upcoming Signature Auction that I thought looked a little TOO beautiful, as in perhaps signed a little too recently given Wilson's early demise. I was very curious to track it and see what the bidding did, until it disappeared. I now know why.

On the one hand, that Wilson and that Cobb ball could not have been purchased by anyone, so listing them with certs that they never had didn't hurt anyone. On the other hand, how hard is it to list these things and then add the LOAs later on? I like that I can watch the auction grow as they add items, but please don't add false info at any time.

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

i bet my life that their are members on this
site that have shelled out thousands for
UD cut sig cards that have bogus
graphs on them. that auto looked legit
but it goes to show that their are some
scary good fakes out there.

other members have said it and ill
say it again, if your shelling out
thousands on cuts or vintage autos,
if grandpa didnt pass it down then
you need your head examined.

 

[jay1065]

He saw an opportunity to grab some headlines, to drive traffic to his website, by making an outrageous allegation.

How is previewing a lot with the claim of certs from PSA/DNA and JSA that don't exist any different?

 

[hoos]

i bet my life that their are members on this
site that have shelled out thousands for
UD cut sig cards that have bogus
graphs on them. that auto looked legit
but it goes to show that their are some
scary good fakes out there.

Guaranteed authentic under the facsimile signature of a guy who gives performance-enhanced depositions.

 

[fkw]

from a couple days ago....

this is far worse than that signed Wilson Little League Ball

PSA/DNA slabbed authenticated laser copy!! wtf?? lol

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/