HALLADAY/LINCECUM NAMED STARTERS

[cowboysrule48]

He should have given this honor to Tim Wakefield

He already gave Wakefield a gift by putting him in the game. Wakefield probably won't get to pitch unless things get crazy like last year.

I see Aaron Hill was named the new starting 2B. I would have liked to see Zobrist get it, but I guess Hill did deserve it more.

Its a "gift" to put a guy who leads the league in wins in an All-Star game? Yet you have Ben Zobrist winning the MVP? Since your obviously a Rays fan, why was Carlos Pena picked? Because he LEADS THE LEAGUE in homeruns. So agree that his BA sucks, his K's are laughable then tell me he leads the league in homeruns so he should be there. Then argue that Wakefield shouldnt be there with 11 wins :? .

Look at his walks/OBP/SLG etc....

Batting average is an overrated stat, just as wins are. I never have argued that Carlos deserved to be in the game, just that he deserved it over Kinsler when people were saying Kinsler should have replaced Pedroia.

And yes, Ben Zobrist has to be a top-5 candidate for MVP right now.

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

who will close for NL, KROD?

him or broxton. or street?

crazy

unfortunately Street ain't in the game

 

[MallCopKJ]

He should have given this honor to Tim Wakefield

He already gave Wakefield a gift by putting him in the game. Wakefield probably won't get to pitch unless things get crazy like last year.

I see Aaron Hill was named the new starting 2B. I would have liked to see Zobrist get it, but I guess Hill did deserve it more.

Its a "gift" to put a guy who leads the league in wins in an All-Sta game. Yet you have Ben Zobrist winning the MVP? since your obviously a rays fan, why was Carlos Pena picked? Because he LEADS THE LEAGUE in homeruns. So agree that his BA sucks, his K's are laughable then tell me he leads the league in homeruns so he should be there. Then argue that Wakefield shouldnt be there with 11 wins :? .

Though I'm not a big Pena guy (wait what?) I can see Pena more as a homerun is based upon his skills and ability to hit the ball. Wakefield's accomplishments are based upon the skills and ability of his front office to put together a team that outshines his short comings. (aka putting out enough runs that it's impossible for him to screw it up)

Wakefield is 11-3! Yes, his ERA sucks at 4.31 but its not THAT bad. He is 2nd All Time in wins with the Red Sox. They have had some pretty decent pitchers in their history, you think?
110+ K's from an "All Star" first baseman when Miguel Cabrera isnt playing is a JOKE.
Cabrera has a .321 average, 18 homeruns, 50 RBI's and less than half the K's Pena has.
The point is, based on their stats this year who belongs there over Wakefield? No one even cares about the stupid game the next day anyways.

 

[cowboysrule48]

He should have given this honor to Tim Wakefield

He already gave Wakefield a gift by putting him in the game. Wakefield probably won't get to pitch unless things get crazy like last year.

I see Aaron Hill was named the new starting 2B. I would have liked to see Zobrist get it, but I guess Hill did deserve it more.

Its a "gift" to put a guy who leads the league in wins in an All-Sta game. Yet you have Ben Zobrist winning the MVP? since your obviously a rays fan, why was Carlos Pena picked? Because he LEADS THE LEAGUE in homeruns. So agree that his BA sucks, his K's are laughable then tell me he leads the league in homeruns so he should be there. Then argue that Wakefield shouldnt be there with 11 wins :? .

Though I'm not a big Pena guy (wait what?) I can see Pena more as a homerun is based upon his skills and ability to hit the ball. Wakefield's accomplishments are based upon the skills and ability of his front office to put together a team that outshines his short comings. (aka putting out enough runs that it's impossible for him to screw it up)

Wakefield is 11-3! Yes, his ERA sucks at 4.31 but its not THAT bad. He is 2nd All Time in wins with the Red Sox. They have had some pretty decent pitchers in their history, you think?
110+ K's from an "All Star" first baseman when Miguel Cabrera isnt playing is a JOKE.
Cabrera has a .321 average, 18 homeruns, 50 RBI's and less than half the K's Pena has.
The point is, based on their stats this year who belongs there over Wakefield? No one even cares about the stupid game the next day anyways.

Jered Weaver, Kevin Millwood...

 

[hofautos]

who will close for NL, KROD?

him or broxton. or street?

crazy

I would love to see heath bell pitch. he is dominant, but probably wont get the chance as padres hoffman choked last time, and they probably dont want to let a padres pitcher choke it again.

 

[hofautos]

Wakefield is 11-3! Yes, his ERA sucks at 4.31 but its not THAT bad.

He also has the best knuckleball of anyone in decades. He must be close to top in "swing and miss strikes".
Yes, when someone gets a hold of one, they crush it, but he is always fun and amazing to watch.

 

[trademhigh]

He should have given this honor to Tim Wakefield

He already gave Wakefield a gift by putting him in the game. Wakefield probably won't get to pitch unless things get crazy like last year.

I see Aaron Hill was named the new starting 2B. I would have liked to see Zobrist get it, but I guess Hill did deserve it more.

Its a "gift" to put a guy who leads the league in wins in an All-Sta game. Yet you have Ben Zobrist winning the MVP? since your obviously a rays fan, why was Carlos Pena picked? Because he LEADS THE LEAGUE in homeruns. So agree that his BA sucks, his K's are laughable then tell me he leads the league in homeruns so he should be there. Then argue that Wakefield shouldnt be there with 11 wins :? .

Though I'm not a big Pena guy (wait what?) I can see Pena more as a homerun is based upon his skills and ability to hit the ball. Wakefield's accomplishments are based upon the skills and ability of his front office to put together a team that outshines his short comings. (aka putting out enough runs that it's impossible for him to screw it up)

Wakefield is 11-3! Yes, his ERA sucks at 4.31 but its not THAT bad. He is 2nd All Time in wins with the Red Sox. They have had some pretty decent pitchers in their history, you think?
110+ K's from an "All Star" first baseman when Miguel Cabrera isnt playing is a JOKE.
Cabrera has a .321 average, 18 homeruns, 50 RBI's and less than half the K's Pena has.
The point is, based on their stats this year who belongs there over Wakefield? No one even cares about the stupid game the next day anyways.

He probably has the most games started as a Red Sock. I don't know for a fact, but I'm sure if he doesn't have the most, he's right up there. And, 4.31 ERA is a lot worse than Greinke's and Haladay's.

 

[MallCopKJ]

[quote="Bill Menard":29l1977r]He should have given this honor to Tim Wakefield

He already gave Wakefield a gift by putting him in the game. Wakefield probably won't get to pitch unless things get crazy like last year.

I see Aaron Hill was named the new starting 2B. I would have liked to see Zobrist get it, but I guess Hill did deserve it more.

Its a "gift" to put a guy who leads the league in wins in an All-Sta game. Yet you have Ben Zobrist winning the MVP? since your obviously a rays fan, why was Carlos Pena picked? Because he LEADS THE LEAGUE in homeruns. So agree that his BA sucks, his K's are laughable then tell me he leads the league in homeruns so he should be there. Then argue that Wakefield shouldnt be there with 11 wins :? .

Though I'm not a big Pena guy (wait what?) I can see Pena more as a homerun is based upon his skills and ability to hit the ball. Wakefield's accomplishments are based upon the skills and ability of his front office to put together a team that outshines his short comings. (aka putting out enough runs that it's impossible for him to screw it up)

Wakefield is 11-3! Yes, his ERA sucks at 4.31 but its not THAT bad. He is 2nd All Time in wins with the Red Sox. They have had some pretty decent pitchers in their history, you think?
110+ K's from an "All Star" first baseman when Miguel Cabrera isnt playing is a JOKE.
Cabrera has a .321 average, 18 homeruns, 50 RBI's and less than half the K's Pena has.
The point is, based on their stats this year who belongs there over Wakefield? No one even cares about the stupid game the next day anyways.

He probably has the most games started as a Red Sock. I don't know for a fact, but I'm sure if he doesn't have the most, he's right up there. And, 4.31 ERA is a lot worse than Greinke's and Haladay's.[/quote:29l1977r]

I dont think anyone will argue that he should start the game, but he belongs on the team.

 

[hofautos]

He probably has the most games started as a Red Sock. I don't know for a fact, but I'm sure if he doesn't have the most, he's right up there. And, 4.31 ERA is a lot worse than Greinke's and Haladay's.

Wakefield is 3rd on all time list with red sox.
Discounting Zach's phenominal "fluke" start, his last 8 starts are
2W 6L 3.98ERA.

 

[trademhigh]

He probably has the most games started as a Red Sock. I don't know for a fact, but I'm sure if he doesn't have the most, he's right up there. And, 4.31 ERA is a lot worse than Greinke's and Haladay's.

Wakefield is 3rd on all time list with red sox.
Discounting Zach's phenominal "fluke" start, his last 8 starts are
2W 6L 3.98ERA.

With the Royals run support, Wakefield would definitely have a worse record. With the Red Sox run support, that 2 and 6 would look more like 6-2 or 7-1.

 

[Frow]

[quote="Bill Menard":1784seji]He should have given this honor to Tim Wakefield

He already gave Wakefield a gift by putting him in the game. Wakefield probably won't get to pitch unless things get crazy like last year.

I see Aaron Hill was named the new starting 2B. I would have liked to see Zobrist get it, but I guess Hill did deserve it more.

Its a "gift" to put a guy who leads the league in wins in an All-Sta game. Yet you have Ben Zobrist winning the MVP? since your obviously a rays fan, why was Carlos Pena picked? Because he LEADS THE LEAGUE in homeruns. So agree that his BA sucks, his K's are laughable then tell me he leads the league in homeruns so he should be there. Then argue that Wakefield shouldnt be there with 11 wins :? .

Though I'm not a big Pena guy (wait what?) I can see Pena more as a homerun is based upon his skills and ability to hit the ball. Wakefield's accomplishments are based upon the skills and ability of his front office to put together a team that outshines his short comings. (aka putting out enough runs that it's impossible for him to screw it up)

Wakefield is 11-3! Yes, his ERA sucks at 4.31 but its not THAT bad. He is 2nd All Time in wins with the Red Sox. They have had some pretty decent pitchers in their history, you think?
110+ K's from an "All Star" first baseman when Miguel Cabrera isnt playing is a JOKE.
Cabrera has a .321 average, 18 homeruns, 50 RBI's and less than half the K's Pena has.
The point is, based on their stats this year who belongs there over Wakefield? No one even cares about the stupid game the next day anyways.

He probably has the most games started as a Red Sock. I don't know for a fact, but I'm sure if he doesn't have the most, he's right up there. And, 4.31 ERA is a lot worse than Greinke's and Haladay's.[/quote:1784seji]

Food for thought.

4.31 is not just worse than Greinke and Halladay's, but is by far the highest of any All-Star Starting Pitcher in either league.

Wakefield has also given up more earned runs, HBP, WHIP, Opponents BA, and fewest IP than any other starter. Only Marquis has fewer strikeouts and K/BB, and only Billingly has a higher BB/IP.

 

[darocker80]

Birthday is tomorrow on all star game, and dad has surgery in the morning :shock:

Of course i'm celebebrating it by going to the giants game later this month

 

[Frow]

He probably has the most games started as a Red Sock. I don't know for a fact, but I'm sure if he doesn't have the most, he's right up there. And, 4.31 ERA is a lot worse than Greinke's and Haladay's.

Wakefield is 3rd on all time list with red sox.
Discounting Zach's phenominal "fluke" start, his last 8 starts are
2W 6L 3.98ERA.

With the Royals run support, Wakefield would definitely have a worse record. With the Red Sox run support, that 2 and 6 would look more like 6-2 or 7-1.

...because I'm bored waiting for the wife to get home...yay house hunting :|

Average Run Support For AL Starters

Wakefield 6.56
Halladay 5.86
Beckett 5.71
King Felix 5.51
Verlander 5.05
Edwin Jackson 4.03
Greinke 3.78

Just for kicks the NL
Lincecum 5.46
Marquis 5.19
Billingsley 5.09
Duke 4.56
Johnson 4.53
Lilly 4.40
Haren 4.47
Johan Santana 3.14

 

[markakis8]

Dont' call me crazy, but I could see Wakefield making the HOF, especially if he pitches for another 5-8 years.

Its gonna be Wakefields first and last ASG appearance. He should atleast be able to stand on that mound, even if its just to face 1 batter.

How should that matter? No offense, but it's not like he is a HOFer or a legend or anything like that.

 

[MallCopKJ]

He probably has the most games started as a Red Sock. I don't know for a fact, but I'm sure if he doesn't have the most, he's right up there. And, 4.31 ERA is a lot worse than Greinke's and Haladay's.

Wakefield is 3rd on all time list with red sox.
Discounting Zach's phenominal "fluke" start, his last 8 starts are
2W 6L 3.98ERA.

With the Royals run support, Wakefield would definitely have a worse record. With the Red Sox run support, that 2 and 6 would look more like 6-2 or 7-1.

...because I'm bored waiting for the wife to get home...yay house hunting :|

Average Run Support For AL Starters

Wakefield 6.56
Halladay 5.86
Beckett 5.71
King Felix 5.51
Verlander 5.05
Edwin Jackson 4.03
Greinke 3.78

Just for kicks the NL
Lincecum 5.46
Marquis 5.19
Billingsley 5.09
Duke 4.56
Johnson 4.53
Lilly 4.40
Haren 4.47
Johan Santana 3.14

Look at the lineups pitchers in the NL have to face! As I posted the other day a huge % of guys like Lincecum and Cain starts come against teams in the basement as far as scoring runs. If Josh Beckett pitched against the Padres every 2-3 starts he would win 30 games. Wakefield might win 20, which he will probably do anyways, and both of their ERA's would be dramatically lower. You can't compare anything between the AL and NL. Completely different baseball.

 

[Huffamaniac]

Sorry, but you are crazy

Dont' call me crazy, but I could see Wakefield making the HOF, especially if he pitches for another 5-8 years.

Its gonna be Wakefields first and last ASG appearance. He should atleast be able to stand on that mound, even if its just to face 1 batter.

How should that matter? No offense, but it's not like he is a HOFer or a legend or anything like that.

 

[hofautos]

4.31 is not just worse than Greinke and Halladay's, but is by far the highest of any All-Star Starting Pitcher in either league.

Wakefield has also given up more earned runs, HBP, WHIP, Opponents BA, and fewest IP than any other starter. Only Marquis has fewer strikeouts and K/BB, and only Billingly has a higher BB/IP.

Wakefield is pitching as well as he has to, to get the wins :lol:
I agree Wakefield is not in the same caliber as Halladay or ANY of the other all-stars, but I still think that Zach has a long ways to go to prove himself...he had an amazing start this year. It happens. Look at previous seasons starts, or what he is doing since. I really don't think we will hear much about him in the future when comparing the best pitchers. His name is in the past. That is just my opinion...I may be proven wrong, but until I see longevity, I am not sold on Zach.
Wakefield, where he may not be the same caliber pitcher, he is definetely pitching this season as needed to get the wins, which ultimately is what matters. I am not alone in my thinking about Wakefield, else he wouldn't be in the All-stars. I think it was the right thing to do.

 

[hofautos]

Dont' call me crazy, but I could see Wakefield making the HOF, especially if he pitches for another 5-8 years.

Its gonna be Wakefields first and last ASG appearance. He should atleast be able to stand on that mound, even if its just to face 1 batter.

How should that matter? No offense, but it's not like he is a HOFer or a legend or anything like that.

Wakefield will never make the HOF, but he is a respectable veteran of the game, and my hats off to him and his knuckleball!

 

[darocker80]

AL is so much better, i have no idea how they lost to the NL though...

Yankees, Rays, Red Sox, Angels so dominant

 

[scotty21690]

who will close for NL, KROD?

Ryan Franklin!!