Handy vs The Truth @105 at LHW.

[Super Mario]

Hope Vera beats the piss out of the old man!

 

[Russ S.]

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[Super Mario]

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Hey, something we have in common! I feel that same way nearly everytime I read one of your replies!

I am not much of a Couture fan, not a Vera fan either, but I don`t dislike him. Therefor I am hoping Vera lands a punch or a head kick that knocks Handy into next August.

 

[JzWand]

Why do you dislike Couture so much?

 

[Super Mario]

Why do you dislike Couture so much?

Not so much him per say, as much as I am sick and tired of everyone and their brother slobbing on his knob every chance they get. It just gets old hearing how great he is, and how he is everyone`s hero, and Captain America, and the God of all Gods in MMA. People NEVER criticize the guy for being a huge ******* baby and taking his belt and going home. People just accept it because the UFC has pushed him to be their savior and God. So to counter all the knob slobbing, I play devils advocate. I`ve just never bought into all his hype, and everytime I hear that Rogan `This guy is my hero!` soundbite I cringe. I am the way with Couture, the same way I imagine some people are with Lesnar, in that hearing about him nonstop just gets sickening. I say this having started several threads pertaining to both guys,

 

[JzWand]

Why do you dislike Couture so much?

Not so much him per say, as much as I am sick and tired of everyone and their brother slobbing on his knob every chance they get. It just gets old hearing how great he is, and how he is everyone`s hero, and Captain America, and the God of all Gods in MMA. People NEVER criticize the guy for being a huge fracking baby and taking his belt and going home. People just accept it because the UFC has pushed him to be their savior and God. So to counter all the knob slobbing, I play devils advocate. I`ve just never bought into all his hype, and everytime I hear that Rogan `This guy is my hero!` soundbite I cringe. I am the way with Couture, the same way I imagine some people are with Lesnar, in that hearing about him nonstop just gets sickening. I say this having started several threads pertaining to both guys,

When did he take his belt and go home?
Do you mean a couple of years ago when the UFC initally offered Fedor 3 times what Randy was making?
He left to try and get the Fedor fight since the UFC couldnt make it because of the co-promotion stuff.
Thats all.
He just wants to test himself against the best. Thats all.

 

[Super Mario]

And I believe he also filed suit against the UFC as well?

 

[JzWand]

And I believe he also filed suit against the UFC as well?

To free him of teh contract. The whole legalities of it centred around whether teh contract was for *** amount of fights or the actual term of the deal.
In the end, it was ruled he still owed the UFC another fight, although I took the contract to mean that by XX/XX/XXXX date, he was free to sign with whomever. Obviously a jduge disagreed.
Not exactly taking your ball and going home.
BJ Penn and Ken Shamrock have also sued the UFC as well.

Remeber this is a career to these guys and their shelf life is not that long so they need to make what they can in the quickest amoutn of time.

Also the fight game in general is a dirty business. I wouldnt trust Dana White as far as I could throw him.

 

[Super Mario]

In any sport, I am of the thinking that if you sign a contract, you be a man and honor that contract until the end. Same with the ones handing out the contract. I hate that the NFL can just cut players like they do. But with Randy, he just wanted to fight Fedor, so he was trying everything possible to get out of his contract with the UFC to go to IFL or wherever to fight Fedor. He was a big baby in the situation if you ask me. He seemed to have the mentality that he was Randy ******* Couture and he would eventually be given what he wanted because everyone loves him. But he wasn`t given what he wanted, and eventually gave up and came back to fight Brock. That`s just how I view the situation. He wasn`t happy, so he threw a tantrum in hopes of getting what he wanted, it didn`t work, he comes back to complete the remaining contract and have his head turned into a basketball courtesy of Mr. Lesnar. Now he has signed a new 6 fight deal with the UFC which pretty much ensures he will never fight Fedor.

 

[mazarazz]

couture NEEDS to win this one to stay relevant to at least keep up the appearance that his resigning was more than simply keeping from fighting and promoting a different org

 

[Super Mario]

That IS all the new contract is. It will just ensure that Randy cannot go elsewhere and have a huge money fight with Fedor or anyone else outside the Zuffa umbrella. This ensures that he will never fight Fedor because by the time this new 6 fight deal is up, he WILL be too old to fight, and won`t go elsewhere to do so. I highly doubt he makes it through all six of these fights anyway. Father time has to eventually catch up with him.

 

[HPC]

I gotta be honest,

The UFC contracts are ridiculous.

I cannot blame Randy for wanting out, however, he signed it and knew what he was doing. If he didnt like it, he shouldn't have taken it.

I like Randy to an extent, but feel the same way Sam does regarding him on certain things. I like watching alot of his fights, especially the Tim Sylvia fight, but he just doesnt seem that good to me.

Sure the guy was a pioneer of the sport, but, honestly, he isnt good anymore.

I cant say he his hanging onto his last 15 minutes, because alot of people still want to see him fight. It is like the Brett Favre situation...except alot of people still think Randy has something left.

Chuck and Matt Hughes come to mind as 2 fighters who came up right around when Randy did, have better career records, and people say they dont want to see them fight anymore "because they are old and washed up"

I dont understand the fascination with Randy. If he had started fighting today, instead of 10 years ago, I seriously believe people would consider him mediocre by today's standards.

Especially when guys like Anderson Silva are fighting in 2 weight classes and kicking ass, and Fedor could fight in both LHW and HW if he chose to.

"This guy is my hero"...sorry, but a guy who has cheated on what, 2 wives now?, is not someone I want to call a hero.

I read Randy's book and understand why he cheated on his first wife, but, there's better ways of doing it than getting caught with your pants down in your office. He should've manned up and told her he didnt want to be with her anymore and he loved someone else.

 

[JzWand]

Sure the guy was a pioneer of the sport, but, honestly, he isnt good anymore.

This is a load of ****.
Seriously, you are saying the guy isnt good anymore? Cmon!
He is ranked in the top 10 in every respected MMA rankings, and just went 3 full rounds with Nogueira without getting finished.
He could beat a handful of the top HWs in the world, Mir included IMO, and would outwork and outgameplan a ton of LHW guys as well.

Part of his legacy will always be his age.
The other part will be fighting guys MUCH bigger, younger faster and coming out on top most times.

Regarding his personal life, I read his book and he was a manwhore. But I dont buy PPVs to see good people. I buy it to watch good fighters.
You honestly dotn believe he could beat Jardine, Thiago Silva, Luiz Cane, Krystoff, etc? Because 3 of those guys are in the UFC's top 10 at LHW.

 

[HPC]

Sure the guy was a pioneer of the sport, but, honestly, he isnt good anymore.

This is a load of ****.
Seriously, you are saying the guy isnt good anymore? Cmon!
He is ranked in the top 10 in every respected MMA rankings, and just went 3 full rounds with Nogueira without getting finished.
He could beat a handful of the top HWs in the world, Mir included IMO, and would outwork and outgameplan a ton of LHW guys as well.

Part of his legacy will always be his age.
The other part will be fighting guys MUCH bigger, younger faster and coming out on top most times.

Regarding his personal life, I read his book and he was a manwhore. But I dont buy PPVs to see good people. I buy it to watch good fighters.
You honestly dotn believe he could beat Jardine, Thiago Silva, Luiz Cane, Krystoff, etc? Because 3 of those guys are in the UFC's top 10 at LHW.

It is easy to name off the people he could beat...

It is also easy to name the people he could not beat, and at LHW, he could not beat the top guys, and we've already seen what happened when everyone said he could beat Brock because of his "age and experience".

I wasnt saying Randy wasnt a good fighter...I'm saying he isnt good now.

Sure, he lasted 3 rounds...he should if he is fighting at that level.

Frank Mir lasted with Nog and beat him.

When will people finally say he should just retire? The excuses of "he only needs 1 more win" or "he could beat X because of his experience" are getting old, just like Randy, i'm kinda tired of hearing about them.

 

[Super Mario]

He seems like the smaller, weaker, less talented wrestler, version of Brock Lesnar. A one dimensional fighter.

I honestly think he is ranked on all those top 10 list JUST BECAUSE he is Randy Couture. And for no other reason.

And as far as if he were entering MMA now instead of when he did, I have been saying the same thing about Royce for years. He was a one dimensional fighter whos opponents couldn`t defend, so he always tapped them. And we seen what happened when he started fighting guys who COULD defend bjj. He got beat. Then he thought juicing would help him. Sure. How about just evolving like everyone else Hoyce?

 

[HPC]

And we seen what happened when he started fighting guys who COULD defend bjj. He got beat. Then he thought juicing would help him. Sure. How about just evolving like everyone else Hoyce?

That is the one problem I noticed when I trained with BJJ guys...they could not defend Krav/Sambo and could be pretty easily picked apart

Find someone who has blocking and reversal skills, and BJJ can be stopped.

 

[Super Mario]

I hate Matt Hughes, but seeing him have Gracies back and raining down rights and lefts until it was stopped was beautiful. People worry about legacy and `what they did for the sport` too damn much when talking about Royce and Handy.

 

[HPC]

I hate Matt Hughes, but seeing him have Gracies back and raining down rights and lefts until it was stopped was beautiful. People worry about legacy and `what they did for the sport` too damn much when talking about Royce and Handy.

I agree with that

evolution has passed randy by

 

[JzWand]

I will agree with you guys in that Randy wont ever hold a title again, but that IMO doesnt necessarily mean he should retire.
I still think hes good enough to beat some decent guys at LHW and some guys at HW.

Regarding him and Royce, well without Royce there wouldnt be a sport so thats really his legacy. Would he do well now. Of course not but he fought then, not now so it is what it is.

And every sport evolves to some degree. Baseball eventually moved past teh deadball era. Football brought in the 2 pt convert, basketbal and teh 3pt line, and hockey recently eliminated the 2 line pass rule.

Sports change in the way they are played and teh athletes adapt.

The athletes in MMA have adapted of course, but it doesnt mean that the guys from yesteryear sucked.

How would Brock have liked getting repeated nut shot and punches to teh back of the head like they used to? Probably not much!

 

[Super Mario]

Would anyone enjoy that?