Hank Aaron is speaking out on steroid users

[RL24]

Did anybody check out the induction ceremony? It was awesome... George Grande was introducing the HOFers who were in attendance. When he got to Hank Aaron he introduced him as "Everyone's TRUE home run king" and Aaron got the biggest applause of the day. It rocked!!

 

[bodiaz]

Pretty funny seeing they just put a steroid user in in Rickey Henderson! And they are going to put Thome, Bagwell, Biggio, and countless other roiders in without a word coming out about it! There are roiders in already, that is for sure! Hypocrites!

 

[sportscardtheory]

Pretty funny seeing they just put a steroid user in in Rickey Henderson! And they are going to put Thome, Bagwell, Biggio, and countless other roiders in without a word coming out about it! There are roiders in already, that is for sure! Hypocrites!

You use unsubstantiated claims as valid arguments... laughable.

 

[RL24]

Not even bodiaz knows what bodiaz is talking about. Four days ago he said:

He's the greatest cheater of all time.

Yay for Manny!

Don't let this hater ruin your fun! Only calls him the greatest cheater because he is so good. What, he cheater more than Neifie Perez, Nook Logan, Paul LoDuca? No, did the same thing. Maybe he is just a good player? Nah, must have had better drugs. So sick of the haters and their ignorance !

Okay, so steroids don't make you good at baseball....

Steriods saved baseball period! The game was dying until McGwire and Sosa bailed it out!

So what does McGwire and Sosa saving the game have anything to do with steroids?

 

[gvsu96]

You are entitled to your opinion. Baseball has been a GIANT unfair advantage throughout time! Was it fair that Honus Wagner had 500 foot fences to aim at, and had to hit dirty scuffed up spitballs while Babe Ruth gets a 300 foot launching pad built for him, and snow white nonscuffed baseballs? Is it fair that pitchers in the early days could use vaseline, cleats, and spit to help the movement of the ball? Is it fair that people get to play their entire career at Fenway or Coors field and inflate their numbers? Do you know how many Red Sox would not be in the Hall if it were not for Fenway?!?!? It's a LONG list! Why do you think Matt Holliday struggled this year? He went from Coors field to Oakland! Easy to predict the outcome. If you like fair, you shouldn't watch baseball!

So steroids are ok because of inflated numbers in Coors and Fenway? I've never heard that argument before.

The point is people pick and choose what "unfair" things they like or dislike! Is it fair American league pitches have to face a DH and NL pitchers face a pitcher? My point is the game is not fair! Never has been! Steriods saved baseball period! The game was dying until McGwire and Sosa bailed it out! The only people hurt by steriods is the people using them. WHy should fans care what they do to themselves? It is a victimless crime. Noone thinks any less of Hank Aaron because he is no longer the King. 755 in his era is still remarkable no matter what anyone else does.

Ask Chris Benoit's family if it's a victimless crime.

Hi I'm Peter and I collect a roided up cheater.

 

[bodiaz]

You are entitled to your opinion. Baseball has been a GIANT unfair advantage throughout time! Was it fair that Honus Wagner had 500 foot fences to aim at, and had to hit dirty scuffed up spitballs while Babe Ruth gets a 300 foot launching pad built for him, and snow white nonscuffed baseballs? Is it fair that pitchers in the early days could use vaseline, cleats, and spit to help the movement of the ball? Is it fair that people get to play their entire career at Fenway or Coors field and inflate their numbers? Do you know how many Red Sox would not be in the Hall if it were not for Fenway?!?!? It's a LONG list! Why do you think Matt Holliday struggled this year? He went from Coors field to Oakland! Easy to predict the outcome. If you like fair, you shouldn't watch baseball!

So steroids are ok because of inflated numbers in Coors and Fenway? I've never heard that argument before.

The point is people pick and choose what "unfair" things they like or dislike! Is it fair American league pitches have to face a DH and NL pitchers face a pitcher? My point is the game is not fair! Never has been! Steriods saved baseball period! The game was dying until McGwire and Sosa bailed it out! The only people hurt by steriods is the people using them. WHy should fans care what they do to themselves? It is a victimless crime. Noone thinks any less of Hank Aaron because he is no longer the King. 755 in his era is still remarkable no matter what anyone else does.

Ask Chris Benoit's family if it's a victimless crime.

Hi I'm Peter and I collect a roided up cheater.

Roids did not cause Benoit to go crazy! That is a lie, it is not a fact. He was a sick man, had nothing to do with roids! There is no drug in the world that could make you kill your kids! That is a bad person, not a drug!

 

[Mozzie22]

You are entitled to your opinion. Baseball has been a GIANT unfair advantage throughout time! Was it fair that Honus Wagner had 500 foot fences to aim at, and had to hit dirty scuffed up spitballs while Babe Ruth gets a 300 foot launching pad built for him, and snow white nonscuffed baseballs? Is it fair that pitchers in the early days could use vaseline, cleats, and spit to help the movement of the ball? Is it fair that people get to play their entire career at Fenway or Coors field and inflate their numbers? Do you know how many Red Sox would not be in the Hall if it were not for Fenway?!?!? It's a LONG list! Why do you think Matt Holliday struggled this year? He went from Coors field to Oakland! Easy to predict the outcome. If you like fair, you shouldn't watch baseball!

So steroids are ok because of inflated numbers in Coors and Fenway? I've never heard that argument before.

The point is people pick and choose what "unfair" things they like or dislike! Is it fair American league pitches have to face a DH and NL pitchers face a pitcher? My point is the game is not fair! Never has been! Steriods saved baseball period! The game was dying until McGwire and Sosa bailed it out! The only people hurt by steriods is the people using them. WHy should fans care what they do to themselves? It is a victimless crime. Noone thinks any less of Hank Aaron because he is no longer the King. 755 in his era is still remarkable no matter what anyone else does.

Ask Chris Benoit's family if it's a victimless crime.

Hi I'm Peter and I collect a roided up cheater.

Roids did not cause Benoit to go crazy! That is a lie, it is not a fact. He was a sick man, had nothing to do with roids! There is no drug in the world that could make you kill your kids! That is a bad person, not a drug!

Why is your signature so large? It takes up an entire screen.

 

[dadofandrew]

Why is your signature so large? It takes up an entire screen.

His sig is on steroids

 

[Erich]

Why is your signature so large? It takes up an entire screen.

His sig is on steroids

But it is alright and acceptable

 

[Mozzie22]

Why is your signature so large? It takes up an entire screen.

His sig is on steroids

:lol: Nice one Kevin. Watch out though because here comes the Ozzie bashing. This guy has a disturbing hatred of Ozzie Smith.

 

[Mozzie22]

Why is your signature so large? It takes up an entire screen.

His sig is on steroids

But it is alright and acceptable

It may be "acceptable" but it is annoying as hell and a blatant disregard for others that have to suffer through it.

 

[gvsu96]

Why is your signature so large? It takes up an entire screen.

His sig is on steroids

Careful you might make it angry and it will get bigger.

 

[Erich]

Why is your signature so large? It takes up an entire screen.

His sig is on steroids

But it is alright and acceptable

It may be "acceptable" but it is annoying as hell and a blatant disregard for others that have to suffer through it.

It was a joke to go along with his it is alright and acceptable for people to take steroids.

 

[predatorkj]

Bonds had more MVPs than Aaron while he was skinny! Bonds also was already 400/400, and won multiple gold gloves. People want to dismiss all of these guys acomplishments, but most of these guys were already great!

McGwire-Hit 49 homers as a skinny rookie, he didn't need anything.

Bonds- Already listed what he acomplished, he was already a first ballot HOFer.

Clemens- Already had multiple Cy Youngs.

Manny- Been a great hitter his entire career.

Jason Giambi- Was an Olympic athlete, and great hitter already.

ARod- Was the 1st pick out of High School! Was a pure stud already.


If people want to attack someone, attack Sosa, Bret Boone, Brady Anderson, Caminiti, Jose Canseco, and the others who were nothing before they used.

Bonds, Clemens, ARod, and McGwire are the guys that get all the heat because they are the most talented. These guys were First ballot anyway.

They are ALL tainted. Defend them all you want, but in the court of public opinion, they are all failures.

That is a cop out for haters. Just like the people that say the Patriots are cheaters and should be stripped of rings because of spygate! SOUR GRAPES! They didn't win any game because of that. People will always hate on great players and teams, just the way it is. People hated Ruth at first because MLB changed the way the game was played to suit him. They hated Maris because he broke the beloved Ruth's mark. They tried to use an * because of the expanded schedule, again sour grapes. They hated Aaron when he broke it. He got death threats, and was treated poorly because of the color of his skin. They hate McGwire when he broke the Maris record and blame steriods, which has never been proven. And they already hated Bonds, now they have a reason to amplify their hate.

Disliking Bonds or Clemens for taking steroids is totaly different from what Aaron went through when he was coming up on the record. Not even close. What really pisses me off is not that they took the roids (because they where not forbidden by MLB) but they continue to lie about it. Giambi in my book is A+ because he manned up and admitted it.

I bolded the one thing that you are wrong about.They did have a rule against PEDS.They just did not enforce it kinda like they don't normally bust you for going five miles over the speed limit.Any way you look at it its still against the law.

 

[predatorkj]

Pretty funny seeing they just put a steroid user in in Rickey Henderson! And they are going to put Thome, Bagwell, Biggio, and countless other roiders in without a word coming out about it! There are roiders in already, that is for sure! Hypocrites!

Dude...drop Bagwell already.I don't even think he will get in.His stats are not enough to merit a Hall induction.

I think you mistake people who don't like your player as people who are your enemies.There is not a person on this board who will ever argue Bonds was not badass.We all know he was.We just don't understand why he f'd it all up with cheating.Now...maybe you have overcome that and it doesn't bug you.That is fine and totally understandable.But you are off on this crusade like we all hate you and your player just because.You have to learn to accept that a lot of people don't like Binds for the person.His roids issues just add fuel to the fire.Its about time you realize that.

 

[predatorkj]

You are entitled to your opinion. Baseball has been a GIANT unfair advantage throughout time! Was it fair that Honus Wagner had 500 foot fences to aim at, and had to hit dirty scuffed up spitballs while Babe Ruth gets a 300 foot launching pad built for him, and snow white nonscuffed baseballs? Is it fair that pitchers in the early days could use vaseline, cleats, and spit to help the movement of the ball? Is it fair that people get to play their entire career at Fenway or Coors field and inflate their numbers? Do you know how many Red Sox would not be in the Hall if it were not for Fenway?!?!? It's a LONG list! Why do you think Matt Holliday struggled this year? He went from Coors field to Oakland! Easy to predict the outcome. If you like fair, you shouldn't watch baseball!

So steroids are ok because of inflated numbers in Coors and Fenway? I've never heard that argument before.

The point is people pick and choose what "unfair" things they like or dislike! Is it fair American league pitches have to face a DH and NL pitchers face a pitcher? My point is the game is not fair! Never has been! Steriods saved baseball period! The game was dying until McGwire and Sosa bailed it out! The only people hurt by steriods is the people using them. WHy should fans care what they do to themselves? It is a victimless crime. Noone thinks any less of Hank Aaron because he is no longer the King. 755 in his era is still remarkable no matter what anyone else does.

Ask Chris Benoit's family if it's a victimless crime.

Hi I'm Peter and I collect a roided up cheater.

Roids did not cause Benoit to go crazy! That is a lie, it is not a fact. He was a sick man, had nothing to do with roids! There is no drug in the world that could make you kill your kids! That is a bad person, not a drug!

Again!

Dude...have you ever even taken drugs of any kind?Not advil or tylenol.I am talking about drugs drugs.They have all kinds of drugs that will make you go skitzo.Ever seen anyone on PCP.They see Demons and crap that's not really there.My dad responded to a call one night were this dude was all wacked out on the stuff and killed somebody then when the cops arrived he took one of their guns away as they were shooting him.He killed them both and then ran for like 3 blocks.My dad said he had 12 gunshot wounds in him.Drugs make you do some weird stuff.A lot of doctors have said that heightened levels of testosterone can lead to anger and depression issues.They also think the chemical imbalances in the body due to taking steroids can be harmful not only to the user current but the user in the future as well.At least read up on some of this stuff.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

The thing I like most about Hank Aaron vomiting his most recent HOF talk is that he believes all players who used steroids (even though we'll never have a complete list) should have asterisks next to their statistics and not be admitted to the Hall of Fame...even though baseball had no punishment for those who used.

Yet, he believes that Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame and yet Rose did something that every player, coach, manager knows is something that is arguably the most serious offense in baseball's mind.

The fact remains...if Barry Bonds retired with 754 home runs, Hank Aaron probably wouldn't have a problem with this.

Maybe if Hank Aaron would have preached a bit harder to his pal Bud Selig or to the public and players, something could have been done proactively instead of hoping for some sort of silly retroactive punishment. Perhaps Aaron didn't want to cross the Players' Union line...and if so, he should sleep in that bed.

 

[bodiaz]

Pretty funny seeing they just put a steroid user in in Rickey Henderson! And they are going to put Thome, Bagwell, Biggio, and countless other roiders in without a word coming out about it! There are roiders in already, that is for sure! Hypocrites!

Dude...drop Bagwell already.I don't even think he will get in.His stats are not enough to merit a Hall induction.

I think you mistake people who don't like your player as people who are your enemies.There is not a person on this board who will ever argue Bonds was not badass.We all know he was.We just don't understand why he f'd it all up with cheating.Now...maybe you have overcome that and it doesn't bug you.That is fine and totally understandable.But you are off on this crusade like we all hate you and your player just because.You have to learn to accept that a lot of people don't like Binds for the person.His roids issues just add fuel to the fire.Its about time you realize that.

Don't get me wrong man, I love Bagwell! I think he should be in the HOF! I also love Ricey! He was my favorite player as a kid! But I am 90 percent sure Rickey used roids or HGH, and 150% sure Bagwell did! It is not a knock on them, just saying they did.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

Pretty funny seeing they just put a steroid user in in Rickey Henderson! And they are going to put Thome, Bagwell, Biggio, and countless other roiders in without a word coming out about it! There are roiders in already, that is for sure! Hypocrites!

Dude...drop Bagwell already.I don't even think he will get in.His stats are not enough to merit a Hall induction.

I think you mistake people who don't like your player as people who are your enemies.There is not a person on this board who will ever argue Bonds was not badass.We all know he was.We just don't understand why he f'd it all up with cheating.Now...maybe you have overcome that and it doesn't bug you.That is fine and totally understandable.But you are off on this crusade like we all hate you and your player just because.You have to learn to accept that a lot of people don't like Binds for the person.His roids issues just add fuel to the fire.Its about time you realize that.

Don't get me wrong man, I love Bagwell! I think he should be in the HOF! I also love Ricey! He was my favorite player as a kid! But I am 90 percent sure Rickey used roids or HGH, and 150% sure Bagwell did! It is not a knock on them, just saying they did.

did you miss the whole part about your sig being giant....

 

[predatorkj]

Pretty funny seeing they just put a steroid user in in Rickey Henderson! And they are going to put Thome, Bagwell, Biggio, and countless other roiders in without a word coming out about it! There are roiders in already, that is for sure! Hypocrites!

Dude...drop Bagwell already.I don't even think he will get in.His stats are not enough to merit a Hall induction.

I think you mistake people who don't like your player as people who are your enemies.There is not a person on this board who will ever argue Bonds was not badass.We all know he was.We just don't understand why he f'd it all up with cheating.Now...maybe you have overcome that and it doesn't bug you.That is fine and totally understandable.But you are off on this crusade like we all hate you and your player just because.You have to learn to accept that a lot of people don't like Binds for the person.His roids issues just add fuel to the fire.Its about time you realize that.

Don't get me wrong man, I love Bagwell! I think he should be in the HOF! I also love Ricey! He was my favorite player as a kid! But I am 90 percent sure Rickey used roids or HGH, and 150% sure Bagwell did! It is not a knock on them, just saying they did.

No...I know that.I am saying Bagwell is probably not going to get in based on his stats.If you leave roids out of the picture and forget for a moment they exist then what I am saying makes sense.He just doesn't have the numbers in my mind.He doesn't have one big milestone whatsoever.I really enjoyed watching him and I am closing in on 2500 of his cards but I can tell you as a huge fan and someone who is heavily invested in his cards that I do not think he has a chance.I'd like to see him get the nod but I doubt it will happen.That's why i say leave his name out of the HOF talk.Now Bonds and Sosa and Mac and the like should have a shot based on numbers but they have the roids thing holding them back.Those people should be in this conversation.Bags...not so much.

Besides...like I said...I think Bags did them.No I don't have enough proof but there sure is a lot of things that happened to him that point in that direction.Some would say its not enough to prove anything and that is fine.Its just my opinion based on observation and what I do know about the man.I can't prove an opinion and this is one of the rare cases where I do not have solid facts to back mine up other than pure observation.


My post was pretty much aimed at you trying to drag other players down because you feel we are trying to cap on your boy Bonds.The point is Bonds is not well liked, has failed drug tests and is on the hook for perjury charges(at least I believe he still is).His only argument that held even a tiny bit of water was the fact he said he was unaware of his usage.But nobody here is trying to start crap with you about Bonds.He is just brought up constantly because of his godlike numbers and his future inability to get into the hall.