Has anyone ever seen a 1997.......

[cbrandtw]

Pinnacle Certified MIRROR BLACK? I would love to see one if you have one. Thanks

 

[1st4040]

Id be willing to bet if anyone has them or has seen them its GeorgeCalfas..

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

George Calfas has some.

Not to take away from George, but my POV is that these were really errors or misprints and were unintentional. However George may have further info.

Pinnacle Certified MIRROR BLACK? I would love to see one if you have one. Thanks

 

[George_Calfas]

These were produced for case print run 4 or 5 depending on whom you asked at Pinnacle. They were a test for the 1998 sets. No serial number and only 1 sheet was made, thus not all players have a mirror black from the 1997 set.

Please ask if you have more questions.

 

[Adamsince1981]

It is nice to see that Edgar Renteria again...it was one of my favorite cards at Double Play when I worked there.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Nice cards. Unlike all the other mirror parallels from that set, these do not say "Mirror" anywhere on the cards.

These were produced for case print run 4 or 5 depending on whom you asked at Pinnacle. They were a test for the 1998 sets. No serial number and only 1 sheet was made, thus not all players have a mirror black from the 1997 set.

Please ask if you have more questions.

 

[George_Calfas]

It is nice to see that Edgar Renteria again...it was one of my favorite cards at Double Play when I worked there.

I tracked the Edgar through 3 different owners before it made its way here.

I know of the Clemens, Murray, Piazza, Hollinsworth, Pettitte, A Jones.

 

[George_Calfas]

Nice cards. Unlike all the other mirror parallels from that set, these do not say "Mirror" anywhere on the cards.

These were produced for case print run 4 or 5 depending on whom you asked at Pinnacle. They were a test for the 1998 sets. No serial number and only 1 sheet was made, thus not all players have a mirror black from the 1997 set.

Please ask if you have more questions.

Correct, that is why some people feel these were errors.

 

[cbrandtw]

It is nice to see that Edgar Renteria again...it was one of my favorite cards at Double Play when I worked there.

I tracked the Edgar through 3 different owners before it made its way here.

I know of the Clemens, Murray, Piazza, Hollinsworth, Pettitte, A Jones.

So I may never know if an A-Rod was produced or not?

 

[Fandruw25]

It is nice to see that Edgar Renteria again...it was one of my favorite cards at Double Play when I worked there.

I tracked the Edgar through 3 different owners before it made its way here.

I know of the Clemens, Murray, Piazza, Hollinsworth, Pettitte, A Jones.

You know both Andruw's exist right? 106 and 150. One was graded psa 10 and the other was sold raw. Don't remember the prices though and I wish I had kept the scans.

 

[SeattlefantillIdie]

Some VERY nice cards! And to have them all grade nicely through PSA as well! George- any ideas as to whether Griffey Jr has one or not? Thanks!

 

[wmb1289]

I have a Bernie Williams one
I received it in a lot and was confused about it until this post
Now I am really excited, glad it is more rare than expected

 

[RL24]

I have a friend who has been searching for the Rickey for what... 12 years now!?

 

[George_Calfas]

I have never heard of anyone with the Jr or Arod and the Bernie mentioned is the first I have heard of that one, I would like to see it if you dont mind. Since this were made late in the printing and can only imagine how many are still in wax. With card #2 and #150 known to exist everyone player could have one. I dont know why they would have not printed the stars, Bonds, Cal, Jr, etc....

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

My only thoughts are that they were all produced unintentionally, as if Pinnacle had a refractor sheet to print on and did so accidentally or because they ran out of other non-refractor-like sheets to print the regular base cards on. Also consider that the same black design elements that exist on 'mirror blacks' are used on the normal base cards and are alike the base cards in every other way.

I guess I can't think of them as errors but maybe as an unintentional variation? I remember reading something like this in an old Beckett or similar magazine at the time. I'm not looking at these cards negatively, but there are too many things in my mind to classify them as intentional 1/1s, they're more like the Topps blank back proofs that Topps is making now with the exception that Topps intentionally makes those blank back proofs. Also I believe Pinnacle never advertised their release.

I have never heard of anyone with the Jr or Arod and the Bernie mentioned is the first I have heard of that one, I would like to see it if you dont mind. Since this were made late in the printing and can only imagine how many are still in wax. With card #2 and #150 known to exist everyone player could have one. I dont know why they would have not printed the stars, Bonds, Cal, Jr, etc....

 

[George_Calfas]

My only thoughts are that they were all produced unintentionally, as if Pinnacle had a refractor sheet to print on and did so accidentally or because they ran out of other non-refractor-like sheets to print the regular base cards on. Also consider that the same black design elements that exist on 'mirror blacks' are used on the normal base cards and are alike the base cards in every other way.

I guess I can't think of them as errors but maybe as an unintentional variation? I remember reading something like this in an old Beckett or similar magazine at the time. I'm not looking at these cards negatively, but there are too many things in my mind to classify them as intentional 1/1s, they're more like the Topps blank back proofs that Topps is making now with the exception that Topps intentionally makes those blank back proofs. Also I believe Pinnacle never advertised their release.

I have never heard of anyone with the Jr or Arod and the Bernie mentioned is the first I have heard of that one, I would like to see it if you dont mind. Since this were made late in the printing and can only imagine how many are still in wax. With card #2 and #150 known to exist everyone player could have one. I dont know why they would have not printed the stars, Bonds, Cal, Jr, etc....

Correct, the variation was never advertised. During one of the final printing it was a project set forth with an eye on the new 1998 releases and to hopefully bolster case sales. By this time Pinnacle was running on monetary fumes and needed to drum up sales, including an extremely difficult insert would hopefully do so. When 1998 info sheets were sent out the buzz was mostly focused on the 1998 Mirror Blacks, too bad they were never printed.

I have much more information about the 1996-1998 mirror sets.

 

[jarcar]

Is the only way to differentiat between the mirror black and the base card is the blacks are shinier?

 

[George_Calfas]

Is the only way to differentiate between the mirror black and the base card is the blacks are shinier?

Yes, the mirrored finish is the only way. Pretty easy since the base cards were simply chrome.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Its like we should have our own Beckettpedia/Wikipedia on the FCB, we could each post information on a shared sites or link to our own personal sites!

...I have much more information about the 1996-1998 mirror sets.

 

[johng]

HI everybody! Hey I got a few Mirror Black scans from ebay that I kept for reference purposes over the past few years! Maddox and Clemons