Has the home pitcher always been able to celebrate ...

[J.O.]

Immediately after the final out of a perfect game, or has it ever happened where the score is 0-0 in the top of the 9th, he shuts them down in order then his team scores a run in the bottom of the 9th?



Just to confirm, it's not a PG if after pitching 9 innings at home you've retired all 27 batters in a row but your team hasn't scored?

 

[vwnut13]

Just to confirm, it's not a PG if after pitching 9 innings at home you've retired all 27 batters in a row but your team hasn't scored?

See: Pedro Martinez

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/boxscore/06031995.shtml

 

[Sly]

Immediately after the final out of a perfect game, or has it ever happened where the score is 0-0 in the top of the 9th, he shuts them down in order then his team scores a run in the bottom of the 9th?

Just to confirm, it's not a PG if after pitching 9 innings at home you've retired all 27 batters in a row but your team hasn't scored?

How is that not a perfect game? A perfect game is 27 up/27 down with no runners reaching base.

You put down 27 in a row with no one reaching base, and your team scores in the bottom of the inning to win, it's still a perfect game.

 

[leatherman]

Immediately after the final out of a perfect game, or has it ever happened where the score is 0-0 in the top of the 9th, he shuts them down in order then his team scores a run in the bottom of the 9th?

Just to confirm, it's not a PG if after pitching 9 innings at home you've retired all 27 batters in a row but your team hasn't scored?

How is that not a perfect game? A perfect game is 27 up/27 down with no runners reaching base.

You put down 27 in a row with no one reaching base, and your team scores in the bottom of the inning to win, it's still a perfect game.

In the second scenario, I think he meant if your team doesn't score in the bottom half of the inning.

 

[Sly]

Immediately after the final out of a perfect game, or has it ever happened where the score is 0-0 in the top of the 9th, he shuts them down in order then his team scores a run in the bottom of the 9th?

Just to confirm, it's not a PG if after pitching 9 innings at home you've retired all 27 batters in a row but your team hasn't scored?

How is that not a perfect game? A perfect game is 27 up/27 down with no runners reaching base.

You put down 27 in a row with no one reaching base, and your team scores in the bottom of the inning to win, it's still a perfect game.

In the second scenario, I think he meant if your team doesn't score in the bottom half of the inning.

Even then, it's still a perfect game until a runner reaches base, even if it goes extra innings. A player/team can absolutely have a 10, 11, 12+ inning perfect game

 

[leatherman]

To answer your first question, no. No pitcher has ever set down 27 batters in a game, and then had his home team score in the bottom of the 9th to record a perfect game.

However, on two occasions, the home team failed to score in the bottom of the ninth, and the pitcher went on to eventually allow a baserunner: Pedro Martinez, and Harvey Haddix. In Haddix's game, the Pirates failed to score in the bottom of the 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th innings. Haddix lost the perfect game in the 13th, as well as the game itself.

Did you know? In Sandy Koufax's perfect game, the other pitcher only allowed one hit, and only two baserunners, in the entire game: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes ... 9090.shtml

He walked a batter who was moved to 2B on a sacrifice, stole third, and scored when the catcher threw the ball into left field on the steal attempt. He didn't allow the hit until the 7th inning, a double.

 

[fengzhang]

Immediately after the final out of a perfect game, or has it ever happened where the score is 0-0 in the top of the 9th, he shuts them down in order then his team scores a run in the bottom of the 9th?

Just to confirm, it's not a PG if after pitching 9 innings at home you've retired all 27 batters in a row but your team hasn't scored?

How is that not a perfect game? A perfect game is 27 up/27 down with no runners reaching base.

You put down 27 in a row with no one reaching base, and your team scores in the bottom of the inning to win, it's still a perfect game.

In the second scenario, I think he meant if your team doesn't score in the bottom half of the inning.

Well, if your team doesn't score, then it's not a perfect game. It's called a "perfect game," not "perfect 9 innings." Some games are 9 innings. Some are 20 innings. A perfect game is only a perfect game if you finish the entire game.

 

[J.O.]

Sly-
yes but I'm asking - if aftter retiring 27 in a row but neither team scoring after 9 , pitcher gives up a home run in the 10th and you lose 1-0. Not a perfect game

on another note, if you have a perfect game through 7 and your team has the lead and the game gets called due to rain, it's an official game , but is it a perfect game?

 

[leatherman]

In the second scenario, I think he meant if your team doesn't score in the bottom half of the inning.

Even then, it's still a perfect game until a runner reaches base, even if it goes extra innings. A player/team can absolutely have a 10, 11, 12+ inning perfect game

The pitcher has to throw a complete game for it to be a no-hitter (or perfect game). The rule changed in 1991. He could throw 100 perfect innings, but until his team wins the game, it isn't a perfect game.

 

[steve-a-reno]

In the second scenario, I think he meant if your team doesn't score in the bottom half of the inning.

Even then, it's still a perfect game until a runner reaches base, even if it goes extra innings. A player/team can absolutely have a 10, 11, 12+ inning perfect game

The pitcher has to throw a complete game for it to be a no-hitter (or perfect game). The rule changed in 1991. He could throw 100 perfect innings, but until his team wins the game, it isn't a perfect game.

On a related note....I love you man. :lol:

 

[leatherman]

I didn't state what I was trying to say correctly:

"An official no-hit game occurs when a pitcher (or pitchers) allows no hits during the entire course of a game, which consists of at least nine innings."

It must be nine innings. Therefore, if you are a visiting pitcher and allow a run while allowing no hits, and your team does not score, you have only pitched 8 innings and will NOT be credited with a no-hitter. If you are the home team, and allow a run to score while allowing no hits, and your team does not score, you have pitched 9 innings and you WILL be credited with a no-hitter. This has happened once, by Ken Johnson on April 23, 1964: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes ... 4230.shtml

However, it is impossible to lose a perfect game.

 

[leatherman]

on another note, if you have a perfect game through 7 and your team has the lead and the game gets called due to rain, it's an official game , but is it a perfect game?

Not anymore. It used to be, but they changed the rules in 1991.

David Palmer threw a 5 inning, rain shortened, perfect game in 1984 that was removed in 1991 when they changed the rule: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes ... 4212.shtml

 

[Sly]

In the second scenario, I think he meant if your team doesn't score in the bottom half of the inning.

Even then, it's still a perfect game until a runner reaches base, even if it goes extra innings. A player/team can absolutely have a 10, 11, 12+ inning perfect game

The pitcher has to throw a complete game for it to be a no-hitter (or perfect game). The rule changed in 1991. He could throw 100 perfect innings, but until his team wins the game, it isn't a perfect game.

Yes, that's what I was saying, just didn't specify "the game has to be complete."

To JO's other question, correct, if a pitcher gives up a hit/runner in extra innings, then that negates the Perfect Game or No-Hitter...

 

[leatherman]

I searched and searched and searched to find a no-hitter (there were no perfect games) where the starting pitcher wasn't able to celebrate the no-hitter after retiring his final batter, and this is the only one I found:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes ... 5150.shtml

Vic Wertz (I hope the name sounds familiar to some of you...he was involved in one of the most famous, if not THE most famous, plays in World Series history) hit a walk-off home run with 2 outs in the bottom of the ninth to give Virgil Trucks a no-hitter.

 

[thelesquad]

Here's a game where the home team didn't celebrate a no-hitter until a walk-off in the bottom of the 10th.

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1997 ... IT1997.htm

Francisco Córdova and Ricardo Rincón combined on the no-hitter against the Astros. The game was scoreless until Mark Smith hit a three-run, pinch-hit homer.

Tai