Hey Cal Ripken Jr Collectors, what do you think about this?

[drp]

The last thing I want to do is enter into a debate with a collector.

I would hope that my 21 years in this hobby producing trading cards would mean something.

That's all i will say on the matter.

Brian Price

 

[bigalbert]

The last thing I want to do is enter into a debate with a collector.

I would hope that my 21 years in this hobby producing trading cards would mean something.

That's all i will say on the matter.

Brian Price

Hey Brian, thanks for stopping by. You sure give up easy tho......

 

[sportscardtheory]

The last thing I want to do is enter into a debate with a collector.

I would hope that my 21 years in this hobby producing trading cards would mean something.

That's all i will say on the matter.

Brian Price

Hey Brian, thanks for stopping by. You sure give up easy tho......

Probably because it's not a competition.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Whose idea was it to make the "cut check" cards of prospects?

They should be fired.

Just out of curiosity, what does your avatar say? It looks like it says, "ALL YOUR ACE ABE BELONG TO US."

It does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_b ... long_to_us

 

[Bob Loblaw]

It's just a few bad apples, Mr. Price. Don't mind them. Their existence on this board seems mainly to instigate and antagonize. Let it roll off your back and just do the best you can. Listen to the constructive, ignore the antagonistic. I'm sure Brian Gray will attest to focusing too much on those few bad apples in the past.

Yes, only listen to those who heap praise upon your product and state how wonderful it is, and don't listen to those who have criticisms at all. I mean, look at how Razor did under that marketing plan, with their 2009, 2010, and 2011 Signature Series.

Oh...wait...

Clearly you don't understand my point. You are the very people I'm referencing when bringing up the description "antagonistic". It's one thing to be constructively critical, and then there is you.

Myself, and some recently departed members of this board were the only ones who didn't kiss Brian's ass when he first got here and actually questioned some of the things he was doing and how it would affect the card market as a whole.

As for ITG, the only negative things I've said were that 1) the Ripkens should be 1/4 not 1/1 (a commonly supported thought; 2) check cut cards are stupid (ditto) and 3) I have my doubts about the authenticity of the Clemente card. I didn't say he was a thief or scoundral. I said I have my doubts.

I'd like you to show me how I was "antagonistic" with either Razor or ITG. I'm skeptical of new companies coming into this market, and the Razor debacle (Brian, you're Leaf now, this isn't a dig at you, it's a historical fact) shows same. Not to get on a high horse here, but I was right with my thoughts about Razor. Had they perhaps listened at that point, they may still be producing baseball cards. However, Brian DID listen to me in regard to his Rookie Retro product and look at how that did.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

 

[nosterbor]

THE bottom line here is this. NON license product = JUNK! no if's and's or but's about it! JUNK JUNK JUNK!
if you do not think this, i have some very nice Rollex watches and Guccii hand bags i can sell you!

 

[Bob Loblaw]

THE bottom line here is this. NON license product = JUNK! no if's and's or but's about it! JUNK JUNK JUNK!
if you do not think this, i have some very nice Rollex watches and Guccii hand bags i can sell you!

That's rather harsh. I don't think Panini products are junk (well, at least the Elite cards aren't) and quite a number of the ITG prospect cards seem very nice.

 

[George_Calfas]

THE bottom line here is this. NON license product = JUNK! no if's and's or but's about it! JUNK JUNK JUNK!
if you do not think this, i have some very nice Rollex watches and Guccii hand bags i can sell you!

How can you compare counterfeit to un-licensed?

 

[Leaf]

THE bottom line here is this. NON license product = JUNK! no if's and's or but's about it! JUNK JUNK JUNK!
if you do not think this, i have some very nice Rollex watches and Guccii hand bags i can sell you!

So, most pre-war issues are junk?
They were PLAYER LICENSED AT THE very MOST!
bg

 

[csmtampa]

The Ripken looks like crap, the Clemente isn't bad.

The problem with vintage game used bats is team index bats. Teams would order bats of star players in all lengths and weights and mlb and milb players would use them. A bat could be a signature model Clemente bat, but game used by Joe Smoe in A ball. There are tons of instances in online auctions where team index bats are described as player game used bats. Obviously the shipping records with exact model, date, weight and length are needed to authenticate a possible game used bat.

I can see why Jeff would raise the question of the authenticity of the bat. I would also like to know where the bat is from and who it is authenticated by.

If Taube (PSA) or MEARS gave it a thumbs up theres nothing to worry about.

 

[nosterbor]

THE bottom line here is this. NON license product = JUNK! no if's and's or but's about it! JUNK JUNK JUNK!
if you do not think this, i have some very nice Rollex watches and Guccii hand bags i can sell you!

So, most pre-war issues are junk?
They were PLAYER LICENSED AT THE very MOST!
bg

"They were PLAYER LICENSED AT THE very MOST!"
that says it ALL does it not!

 

[nosterbor]

THE bottom line here is this. NON license product = JUNK! no if's and's or but's about it! JUNK JUNK JUNK!
if you do not think this, i have some very nice Rollex watches and Guccii hand bags i can sell you!

How can you compare counterfeit to un-licensed?

my Rollex watches and Guccii hand bags are not counterfeit! Hence Ripken JR
( Rolex_Gucci__ CAL Ripken JR)

 

[Bob Loblaw]

THE bottom line here is this. NON license product = JUNK! no if's and's or but's about it! JUNK JUNK JUNK!
if you do not think this, i have some very nice Rollex watches and Guccii hand bags i can sell you!

How can you compare counterfeit to un-licensed?

my Rollex watches and Guccii hand bags are not counterfeit! Hence Ripken JR
( Rolex_Gucci__ CAL Ripken JR)

Uhhh..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mDTLph ... re=related

 

[cgilmo]

THE bottom line here is this. NON license product = JUNK! no if's and's or but's about it! JUNK JUNK JUNK!
if you do not think this, i have some very nice Rollex watches and Guccii hand bags i can sell you!

I'm sorry man, but a MLB logo does not turn a card from crap to fantastic.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

To my knowledge, there are currently two manufacturers who have put themselves continually in front of everyone in the hobby...ITG and Leaf/Razor. In doing so, both entities have made it very clear that they stand behind the authenticity of everything they release and will (and do) resolve any items that come into question.

Since the birth of ITG, when they set up at a show, Brian Price is there...at the booth, talking to his customers and listening to the positives and negatives.

I can't fathom why you would be questioning the authenticity of the items when nothing in the company's history would imply any issues.

I don't collect hockey, and I don't collect cards without pictures. Therefore, I know little about "ITG" or Brian Price.

I also know that they have very little to lose in putting out fake memorabilia. They have a lot to lose in hockey as they have licenses. This is a product that has no licenses, therefore, there's nothing to lose.

When opportunity presents itself in this hobby, one can usually find shady dealings in just about every avenue. Trust no one.

You become more and more of a joke, the more and more you vomit Jeff.

To say that ITG has "nothing to lose" in putting out fake memorabilia is crap and you know it, but this is your modus operandi isn't it? Stir the imaginary pot and then vocalize about how you're doing it for the hobby, when in reality you stir the pot for yourself. How many times do you want to talk about all of the wonders that you brought the hobby by questioning Razor? Are we over 100 times yet? It's comical.

You know that you don't have a shred of logical reasoning to doubt anything that ITG puts out, yet here you are...casting doubt when you know nothing, have nothing, and show no reason. It's one thing to cast doubt about something tangible, or question things or situations when there is evidence supporting it....but not for you. For you it's a matter of lighting a fire to create smoke, instead of seeing the smoke and looking into it.

As for your Razor heroics, yes, you and only a few other wise souls who are no longer on FCB questioned some of what Razor did. You're a giant superstar looking at saving the hobby, and I can't find a hand large enough to pat you on the back. I'm an egotistical ***** at times, but at least I know it...you're too delusional to see the writing on the wall.

You openly questioned the integrity of ITG and Brian Price, and stated that he/they have nothing to lose by putting out fake memorabilia...when you couldn't be further from the truth, and know it. You're a smart enough guy, go back the history and find out how many issues there have ever been regarding the validity of ANYTHING that ITG has put out. Good luck with that. Sure, you don't collect hockey, so you don't know. Then again, you don't know nearly what you claim to know.

We get it, it's all about you riding in on a white horse and getting "added value" from the Rookie Retro set isn't it? Good grief, I've never seen someone so proud over something so insignificant.

This was a ***** move Jeff and it says a lot about you.

(NOTE: For budding musicians, "Smear Campaign from an Attorney" sounds like a great title for a record.)

 

[Bob Loblaw]

To my knowledge, there are currently two manufacturers who have put themselves continually in front of everyone in the hobby...ITG and Leaf/Razor. In doing so, both entities have made it very clear that they stand behind the authenticity of everything they release and will (and do) resolve any items that come into question.

Since the birth of ITG, when they set up at a show, Brian Price is there...at the booth, talking to his customers and listening to the positives and negatives.

I can't fathom why you would be questioning the authenticity of the items when nothing in the company's history would imply any issues.

I don't collect hockey, and I don't collect cards without pictures. Therefore, I know little about "ITG" or Brian Price.

I also know that they have very little to lose in putting out fake memorabilia. They have a lot to lose in hockey as they have licenses. This is a product that has no licenses, therefore, there's nothing to lose.

When opportunity presents itself in this hobby, one can usually find shady dealings in just about every avenue. Trust no one.

You become more and more of a joke, the more and more you vomit Jeff.

To say that ITG has "nothing to lose" in putting out fake memorabilia is crap and you know it, but this is your modus operandi isn't it? Stir the imaginary pot and then vocalize about how you're doing it for the hobby, when in reality you stir the pot for yourself. How many times do you want to talk about all of the wonders that you brought the hobby by questioning Razor? Are we over 100 times yet? It's comical.

You know that you don't have a shred of logical reasoning to doubt anything that ITG puts out, yet here you are...casting doubt when you know nothing, have nothing, and show no reason. It's one thing to cast doubt about something tangible, or question things or situations when there is evidence supporting it....but not for you. For you it's a matter of lighting a fire to create smoke, instead of seeing the smoke and looking into it.

As for your Razor heroics, yes, you and only a few other wise souls who are no longer on FCB questioned some of what Razor did. You're a giant superstar looking at saving the hobby, and I can't find a hand large enough to pat you on the back. I'm an egotistical ***** at times, but at least I know it...you're too delusional to see the writing on the wall.

You openly questioned the integrity of ITG and Brian Price, and stated that he/they have nothing to lose by putting out fake memorabilia...when you couldn't be further from the truth, and know it. You're a smart enough guy, go back the history and find out how many issues there have ever been regarding the validity of ANYTHING that ITG has put out. Good luck with that. Sure, you don't collect hockey, so you don't know. Then again, you don't know nearly what you claim to know.

We get it, it's all about you riding in on a white horse and getting "added value" from the Rookie Retro set isn't it? Good grief, I've never seen someone so proud over something so insignificant.

This was a ***** move Jeff and it says a lot about you.

(NOTE: For budding musicians, "Smear Campaign from an Attorney" sounds like a great title for a record.)

Here's what I know, son.

1) Topps commonly mislabels or outright lies about game used memorabilia players as low as a football kicker and as high as an Honus Wagner jersey and can't tell the difference between a bench and a bat.

2) If Topps will "make mistakes" or have "improper authentication", ANYONE can have improper authentication or make mistakes.

3) It's not easy to authenticate a 40+++ year old bat.

4) There is no authentication offered about the bat.

5) All I said is that I have doubts about it, especially coming from a company with no proven background.

6) You have a serious issue with jumping to conclusions. And a serious issue, period, about attacking people. Maybe it's just me. Someone up in the thread indicated they had doubts about the bat too. Jump down his throat.

7) As I said, when opportunity presents itself in this hobby, one can usually find shady dealings in just about every avenue. Trust no one. I've seen more than I care to know, and Gilmore can attest to what I've seen to the 10th degree...

8) You're awfully protective of ITG. Gee, I wonder why.................................

 

[cgilmo]

I'm killing all mentions of any thing mentioning authenticity, starting now.

It isn't fair to even throw it out there given what we know about ITG / Sport Kings. No company gets this out of the gate, it always comes after something questionable is seen.

I'm not gonna allow a company to get thrown under the bus for something they didn't do.

 

[nosterbor]

THE bottom line here is this. NON license product = JUNK! no if's and's or but's about it! JUNK JUNK JUNK!
if you do not think this, i have some very nice Rollex watches and Guccii hand bags i can sell you!

I'm sorry man, but a MLB logo does not turn a card from crap to fantastic.

That is not the point.yes there were some very crappy cards put out. (1988 Donruss) for 1.
my point is this, Google Ripken JR and see how many first names come up. Ripken JR who??? yes they look nice,however i can produce the same thing. what point is that? like the saying go's GREED IS GOOD! these cards to me are nothing but knockoffs.it is to each his own.i am just stating my point of view.in 1988 what did Cadillac change the Chevy Cavalier into?
a Cimarron.it's a Caddy. it was still JUNK!

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Here's what I know, son.

1) Topps commonly mislabels or outright lies about game used memorabilia players as low as a football kicker and as high as an Honus Wagner jersey and can't tell the difference between a bench and a bat.

2) If Topps will "make mistakes" or have "improper authentication", ANYONE can have improper authentication or make mistakes.

3) It's not easy to authenticate a 40+++ year old bat.

4) There is no authentication offered about the bat.

5) All I said is that I have doubts about it, especially coming from a company with no proven background.

6) You have a serious issue with jumping to conclusions. And a serious issue, period, about attacking people. Maybe it's just me. Someone up in the thread indicated they had doubts about the bat too. Jump down his throat.

7) As I said, when opportunity presents itself in this hobby, one can usually find shady dealings in just about every avenue. Trust no one. I've seen more than I care to know, and Gilmore can attest to what I've seen to the 10th degree...

8) You're awfully protective of ITG. Gee, I wonder why.................................

Son? Come on now Jeff, I'll assume that your kids have respect for you (they're still young enough) than I do.

As far as your crap points list...let's go one by one shall we?

1) Topps commonly mislabels or outright lies about game used memorabilia players as low as a football kicker and as high as an Honus Wagner jersey and can't tell the difference between a bench and a bat.
Yes, but counselor we aren't talking about Topps are we? A monkey with an ice pick jabbed in his eye socket could easily find examples of items from Topps having their authenticity questioned. Yet even a self-perceived master sleuth such as yourself can't find one example from ITG in their long history.

2) If Topps will "make mistakes" or have "improper authentication", ANYONE can have improper authentication or make mistakes.
So by this broad, sweeping generalization, we could assume that all attorneys are lying thieves who care about nothing other than themselves and their bank accounts with no respect for the law or those lives that they ruin.

3) It's not easy to authenticate a 40+++ year old bat.
Yes, another great generalization and crazy conclusion. Because something is "not easy" it must be impossible and therefore not have been done. Well done counselor.

4) There is no authentication offered about the bat.
Yes, hold different standards for different companies. Where are you chiming in so vocally questioning every single "game-used" item from everyone? Oh, wait...you aren't.

5) All I said is that I have doubts about it, especially coming from a company with no proven background.
No proven background? 21 years in the industry with never being questioned about authenticity screams a more "proven background" than either Topps or Upper Deck who each have items come into question every year.

6) You have a serious issue with jumping to conclusions. And a serious issue, period, about attacking people. Maybe it's just me. Someone up in the thread indicated they had doubts about the bat too. Jump down his throat.
I didn't jump to a single conclusion Jeff, spin away nutjob, spin away. Attacking people? Sure, when needed. You? When needed. Having doubts is very different that your claims about "nothing to lose" - my main point of contention.

7) As I said, when opportunity presents itself in this hobby, one can usually find shady dealings in just about every avenue. Trust no one. I've seen more than I care to know, and Gilmore can attest to what I've seen to the 10th degree...
While I agree that the hobby is riddled with shadiness (there was a lot of shadiness with a former BMB member who was a big time Phillies fan who lived in Florida if I recall...can't remember the username though), applying shadiness when there isn't a shred of evidence is a joke. As far as "what you've seen", again with the legendary hobby status? Seriously? Come on, I've been in this hobby long enough to know the ugliness...even perhaps to the 11th degree...just like Nigel's amp in Spinal Tap.

8) You're awfully protective of ITG. Gee, I wonder why.................................
I am protective of ITG, very protective. Why? They are one of the hobby's few good guys who do it for the right reasons and always have. You know nothing about the company, their history or their staff...I do. As far as the dangle there assuming ulterior motives, guess away Jeff, guess away.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Yawn.

As per the words of our respected leader, I'm not responding to your attack.

But... yawn.

And as for a ***** move - me trying to help lots of people out from the Zebrowksi mess and cutting checks to numerous people from my own personal bank account for hundreds of dollars; throwing me under the bus for same is definitely a ***** move.