Hockey Patch forger caught

[MartinFFcollector]

This statement should be scary to investors!

UD Response
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...However, we have already been paid for the product and have no interest in the secondary market sales. ...

That post was a spoof of the reply from Chris of UD. The original is a few replies up.

 

[predatorkj]

This statement should be scary to investors!

UD Response
...
...However, we have already been paid for the product and have no interest in the secondary market sales. ...

That post was a spoof of the reply from Chris of UD. The original is a few replies up.

No...the fact that its probably true anyway is whats scary.People will still buy UD's cards so what motivation do they have to take an added measure?

 

[MartinFFcollector]

huh? I only said what I said in case the poster thought it was a reply from UD. But what you said, I agree with.

This statement should be scary to investors!

UD Response
...
...However, we have already been paid for the product and have no interest in the secondary market sales. ...

That post was a spoof of the reply from Chris of UD. The original is a few replies up.

No...the fact that its probably true anyway is whats scary.People will still buy UD's cards so what motivation do they have to take an added measure?

 

[predatorkj]

huh? I only said what I said in case the poster thought it was a reply from UD. But what you said, I agree with.

This statement should be scary to investors!

UD Response
...
...However, we have already been paid for the product and have no interest in the secondary market sales. ...

That post was a spoof of the reply from Chris of UD. The original is a few replies up.

No...the fact that its probably true anyway is whats scary.People will still buy UD's cards so what motivation do they have to take an added measure?

Nah...I know.Just thought I'd throw that out there.I really don't think it will ever get better as long as people are busting.What bothers me more is the fact none of us can even know if the stuff from the card companies is legit.Rainmanesque has some interesting theories on it.In any case the only thing you can do is buy them for what they are...cards.In the end the only thing you may be getting that is authentic is a piece of cardboard that upper deck had printed.Laziness and the realization products will sell anyways leads to terrible cutting of corners.Just about all of them at our expense.Both collectability wise and value wise.

 

[G $MONEY$]

This would actually be a perfect oppurtunity for an authenticating team to step in, such as BGS in the first year of Prime Cuts. Card companies should have these cards come out of the packs in a BGS holder. Cracking one of these, altering the card, then resealing it is a lot harder process than altering the card alone. Until this happens, I will continue to not purchase game used items.

In The Game has been doing just that, for a number of years, with one of their high end products called Ultimate memorabilia.

ITG's other high-end product, Superlative, comes out of the pack in a top loader with a company seal over the top loader.This is definitely keeping their products from being tampered with.

 

[MartinFFcollector]

As long as those top loader stickers can not be easily removed like Topps/Bowman Originals can. I like the idea.

 

[meatmancgy]

Hey guys, I'm the original poster of the thread and the guy that collated all the evidence over on HI.

Alas, we have another confirmed fake found, since this first grouping was posted, from the same seller:

05/06 The Cup Limited Logos Roberto Luongo 7/40
Original Scan

Link to Original eBay Auction: 05/06 UD THE CUP LOGOS AUTO PATCH ROBERTO LUONGO 7/40 - eBay (item 350175069037 end time Mar-14-09 18:45:00 PDT)

Altered Scan

An HI member has confirmed it was purchased at the Expo from this same patch forger, and you can see the eBay buyer ID is identical to the hnic_787 ID, including the private feedback.

Bruce

 

[sportscardtheory]

Why the F would someone ruin such a nice patch card for such a small upgrade??? People are SO damn greedy it blows my mind. The sad part is, I liken this to card companies cutting up other auto cards to place in THEIR cards. No morals from the card companies, what do we expect from individuals.

 

[Musial Collector]

After reading that email from Chris Carlin, even if I did open wax, I would never purchase another UD product. What a slap in the face to collectors to state we could do something but the costs cannot be justified? What collector on here would not be willing to shell out some extra dollars for the peace of mind that what you are purchasing on the secondary market is in fact authentic? Shame on Chris Carlin and UD!!!

 

[sportscardtheory]

After reading that email from Chris Carlin, even if I did open wax, I would never purchase another UD product. What a slap in the face to collectors to state we could do something but the costs cannot be justified? What collector on here would not be willing to shell out some extra dollars for the peace of mind that what you are purchasing on the secondary market is in fact authentic? Shame on Chris Carlin and UD!!!

I agree, it's BS. He is basically saying, "We KIND of pay attention and don't like what is happening... but we are not going to REALLY do anything about it because it will affect our bottom line. So, all you people that are getting screwed by this practice can continue to take it in the butt."

 

[plainwhitejerseys]

Not to defend UD here, but he was saying that to do something about it would involve a cost that would be passed on to the customer, and the average customer doesn't want to pay extra.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Not to defend UD here, but he was saying that to do something about it would involve a cost that would be passed on to the customer, and the average customer doesn't want to pay extra.

It should matter to them that the entire idea of the game-used patch card is being ruined by these people, seeing that they in fact sell them through their packs.

 

[plainwhitejerseys]

Not to defend UD here, but he was saying that to do something about it would involve a cost that would be passed on to the customer, and the average customer doesn't want to pay extra.

It should matter to them that the entire idea of the game-used patch card is being ruined by these people, seeing that they in fact sell them through their packs.

It's not being ruined though. The average collector doesn't know that there are fakes. Probably wouldn't care, either.

 

[Austin]

unless i pull it or see someone pull it, no way im buying any patch on ebay from anyone.
damn this is insane

I feel the same way.
I don't trust any better-than-average patch cards.

 

[predatorkj]

Not to defend UD here, but he was saying that to do something about it would involve a cost that would be passed on to the customer, and the average customer doesn't want to pay extra.

It should matter to them that the entire idea of the game-used patch card is being ruined by these people, seeing that they in fact sell them through their packs.

It's not being ruined though. The average collector doesn't know that there are fakes. Probably wouldn't care, either.

I think they would care if they knew about it.But I agree on your first point 100%.I have come across several dealers even ,who didn't even know about it.They assume it could happen but weren't sure that it actively was happening.

I think if someone were to print a nice long and detailed article in beckett about fake patches and what to look for with some examples then there might be a chance that it will start becoming main stream knowledge that its going on.I think they may have in the past but this thing needs to be long and huge with plenty of nice color photos of examples.Maybe even have a picture on the front cover of a really sick card with the subtitle Real or Fake?.It needs to be in every magazine they publish(football, basketball, baseball, hockey, and the 4 sport one as well).

 

[sportscardtheory]

Not to defend UD here, but he was saying that to do something about it would involve a cost that would be passed on to the customer, and the average customer doesn't want to pay extra.

It should matter to them that the entire idea of the game-used patch card is being ruined by these people, seeing that they in fact sell them through their packs.

It's not being ruined though. The average collector doesn't know that there are fakes. Probably wouldn't care, either.

I think they would care if they knew about it.But I agree on your first point 100%.I have come across several dealers even ,who didn't even know about it.They assume it could happen but weren't sure that it actively was happening.

I think if someone were to print a nice long and detailed article in beckett about fake patches and what to look for with some examples then there might be a chance that it will start becoming main stream knowledge that its going on.I think they may have in the past but this thing needs to be long and huge with plenty of nice color photos of examples.Maybe even have a picture on the front cover of a really sick card with the subtitle Real or Fake?.It needs to be in every magazine they publish(football, basketball, baseball, hockey, and the 4 sport one as well).

Good call... although it IS Beckett we are talking about. Most likely, they won't do a thing.

 

[jeff550]

if componies would take pictures of patch cards cooming out of the factory and made them public the whole fake patch stuff would be dead. you see a patch on ebay go to upperdeck or whatever look uo the picture of the card with that serial number and you can tell if it is a fake or not.

 

[predatorkj]

if componies would take pictures of patch cards cooming out of the factory and made them public the whole fake patch stuff would be dead. you see a patch on ebay go to upperdeck or whatever look uo the picture of the card with that serial number and you can tell if it is a fake or not.

Yeah but that would take them too long in their eyes.It really wouldn't...one guy could do it for all sports.I mean...you get a digital camera with a nice little brightly lit set up where the card can be placed, picture can be snapped, and card can be whisked out of the way all in 20 seconds...but they will try to act like its killing them to pay a dude $10 an hour to do this.Hell...pass the cost down.What is that like $301 instead of $300 for a pack of cards now?Whoopeee! ::facepalm::

Lets just leave it at this...they can do something more than they are doing now but like I said their only motivation to do so is if their sales were down due to this.As long as people buy their products and they are doing well financially then they have no logical business reason to do this.It would be like trying to make the customer happier when the customer is already happy enough to buy their products anyways.Apparently in America we don't do things like that. :?

 

[MartinFFcollector]

meatmancgy - Thanks for the update.