Hoelzer *****

[Super Mario]

So, I've looked over their site, and other than having no clue as to what their name means, I can't really see anything on there that's offensive and is causing such commotion.

Do they have some sort of 'White Power' mission statement that I am failing to see somewhere?

I'm not seeing swastika's and ****** images like I've been led to believe are on the shirts like people are making it out to be.


If I hadn't read all the fuss about these shirts, and I seen one, I wouldn't think twice about any meaning behind them. Maybe that means I am missing something, or it's pretty hard to offend me, or I'm not Jewish, or oblivious, or just blind, I don't know.

But what's all the fuss about, someone let me know.



And btw, with all the controversy, I think Aleks should be a sponsored fighter considering he has the Swastika tattoo's on his knees. Would be appropriate right?

 

[Super Mario]

Okay, so I just read the DaMMAge Control article on this subject, and here was my post on their.

Much ado about nothing if you ask me.

I guess KISS are ****'s because their logo's S's look similar to those.

I guess in this world I am just desensitized by this kind of thing and it doesn't really bother me. These shirts aren't shown on their website that I seen. And I didn't even notice the shirt during the dude's walk out to the octogan.

And do you think if they were a neo-**** group that Cowboy would be associated with them?

They're misunderstood just like Gargamel. He wasn't really trying to exterminate the Smurfs. Just like ****** wasn't really trying to exterminate the Jews. It was just population control on both of their parts. It was just a coincidence that little blue creatures and Jews were the targets. A 'wrong place wrong time' type of thing!


I kid!

 

[NECpilgrims8]

First, on the topic of KISS and their use of the lighting bolts....

Yes, the symbol is of **** heritage, BUT they don't just copy images from the third *****, with a few tweaked details. They have the lighting bolts and nothing more. Plus, when they travel to Europe for shows, they have to change it (look it up, totally true).

The Hoelzer ***** company uses all neo-**** and WW2 **** propaganda images and slogans. In fact, their use of "Blood and Honor" has to do with the ****** youth movement, which was their motto. Everything about the company screams blatent hatred.

This type of crap should not be allowed and the fighters like Beerbohm and Cerrone should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Super Mario]

First, on the topic of KISS and their use of the lighting bolts....

Yes, the symbol is of **** heritage, BUT they don't just copy images from the third *****, with a few tweaked details. They have the lighting bolts and nothing more. Plus, when they travel to Europe for shows, they have to change it (look it up, totally true).

The Hoelzer ***** company uses all neo-**** and WW2 **** propaganda images and slogans. In fact, their use of "Blood and Honor" has to do with the ****** youth movement, which was their motto. Everything about the company screams blatent hatred.

This type of crap should not be allowed and the fighters like Beerbohm and Cerrone should be ashamed of themselves.

I know all about the KISS thing. And I do know that Germany makes KISS change their logo, and has since the 70's.

But what MOST people don't know, is that Ace Frehley originally came up with the KISS logo, and Ace Frehley is ALSO a collector of **** Germany memorabilia. So the 'Kiss logo invokes ****' stuff may in fact hold some cred. And you're talking to one of the biggest KISS fans you will ever meet, and Ace is my favorite member. And I still am not blind to the fact that whole ordeal may hold some credibility. Only Ace knows for sure though, but it is a hige coincidence that the dude has dressed up as ****** for Halloween and collects **** memorabilia and the KISS logo that he came up with resembles **** logo's. Kind of ironic being as Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley are both Jewish. I know my KISStory! I have several imported KISS vhs, dvd's and magazines from overseas where the logo is changed.





I wonder what fighters like Cerrone who let themselves be sponsored by such a controversial company are thinking.




Fedor's taken some **** for the 'wing' logo that he's wore across his ass several times, because it resembles a **** logo too.

 

[Super Mario]

Looks to be Peter Criss and Paul Stanley here.

March 1978 - Peter Criss & Paul Stanley of KISS. On tour in Japan and dressed as **** officers. The outfits were purchased by Ace Frehley earlier in the day. The three, knocked on Gene Simmons’ hotel-room. Simmons, with his selective memory, later recalled in his autobiography that it was just Ace Frehley in the **** uniform. The photo above, which was taken by Criss’ wife, Lydia Criss, dispels Simmons’ version of the story.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... N%26um%3D1

 

[NECpilgrims8]

Fedor's taken some shat for the 'wing' logo that he's wore across his ass several times, because it resembles a **** logo too.

Not that it really makes a difference for Fedor, but his brother has several Neo-**** tattoos. I know the two brothers don't do much besides train together sometimes, but it's still interesting.