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[Krom]

[quote="scotty21690":21cz8wab][quote="elmalo":21cz8wab][quote="scotty21690":21cz8wab]I HATE how people compare personal issues off the field to career issue on the field.


Being a drunk off the field IS NOT THE SAME as taking steroids/PEDs to enhance their performance on the field. Don't be an idiot.....PEDs are cheating. Don't relate the two.


Congrats to Alomar, and also congrats to myself so I won't have to listen to members bitch that Blyleven should be in the HOF......14 years later....

The problem is that we dont know who did or who didnt. There wasnt testing before and the testing now is a joke.

That's not the frackin point!!!!!!!

You said "Oh my yea those players had bad ethics and they are in the HOF....so why don't we let in all of the roiders as well! Same thing, right?!"


It doesn't matter who did and who didn't, that's not what I was trying to get across! Players who used steroids CHEATED, and they should not be in the HALL OF FAME if they had to cheat! Yes, there are some players in the HOF with personal issues....off the field, but they didn't cheat.


Considering you are sticking up for Bonds/Clemens,etc though, you must think noone was on steroids in the past few decades...am I right? Oh they never failed a drug test....that must mean they have been clean their whole career!


>>>FACEPALM<<<


Bondo, my post was not directed at you.

First off, you should settle down
Secondly, steroids have been a problem in baseball since the late 60's. Now all of the sudden we are going to pick or chose who gets into the hall of fame based on suspicions? We have no idea who was on them bc baseball didnt test for them. And even now that they do we still have no idea bc 1.the stuff that these guys use is undetectable and 2 baseballs testing policy is designed not to catch anyone.
There are pople who think Hank Aaron took steroids at the end of his career, so should we take him out of the hall of fame. We know that Aaron and Mays and a majority of players were on greenies, should we kick them out of the hall of fame? Is that not cheating? Gaylord Perry cheated, should we kick him out of the hall of fame? I really dont understand the hang up with steroids. And I dont understand why people cant accept that they have been and will continue to be a part of athletics.

Speed? Really? Why not take Lincy out of the game because he likes his weed? Take away Doc's Lsd no hitter? Mays has a terrible end of his carrer unlike Clemens where his needle helped him immensly. Roids may be a part of some players but not all, and if we are talking about the hall they should not be voted in. I really think some of them went WAY too far with it.

I said Aaron is suspected of using at the end of his career, not Mays. And to compare amphetamines to weed and LSD is absurd. There is a reason that all these guys tke them.[/quote:21cz8wab]
Well Aaron had a weak end too, hit an avg. 14 hrs and hit less than 250 for the last 3 years. If he juiced it didn't help much.[/quote:21cz8wab]


WOW! Let me get this straight, you only have a problem with steriods in the game if the player is productive on them? What a freaking hypocrite.[/quote:21cz8wab]
Wow, please show me one comment where i didn't have a problem with steroids??? I think all players that have juiced should be permabanned from the hall - no exceptions. I never said once otherwise. I think someone needs to buy a dictionary to look up the word hypocrite. Nice try though. :benson:

 

[bodiaz]

[quote="elmalo":2ss4w0k8][quote="scotty21690":2ss4w0k8][quote="elmalo":2ss4w0k8][quote="scotty21690":2ss4w0k8]I HATE how people compare personal issues off the field to career issue on the field.


Being a drunk off the field IS NOT THE SAME as taking steroids/PEDs to enhance their performance on the field. Don't be an idiot.....PEDs are cheating. Don't relate the two.


Congrats to Alomar, and also congrats to myself so I won't have to listen to members bitch that Blyleven should be in the HOF......14 years later....

The problem is that we dont know who did or who didnt. There wasnt testing before and the testing now is a joke.

That's not the frackin point!!!!!!!

You said "Oh my yea those players had bad ethics and they are in the HOF....so why don't we let in all of the roiders as well! Same thing, right?!"


It doesn't matter who did and who didn't, that's not what I was trying to get across! Players who used steroids CHEATED, and they should not be in the HALL OF FAME if they had to cheat! Yes, there are some players in the HOF with personal issues....off the field, but they didn't cheat.


Considering you are sticking up for Bonds/Clemens,etc though, you must think noone was on steroids in the past few decades...am I right? Oh they never failed a drug test....that must mean they have been clean their whole career!


>>>FACEPALM<<<


Bondo, my post was not directed at you.

First off, you should settle down
Secondly, steroids have been a problem in baseball since the late 60's. Now all of the sudden we are going to pick or chose who gets into the hall of fame based on suspicions? We have no idea who was on them bc baseball didnt test for them. And even now that they do we still have no idea bc 1.the stuff that these guys use is undetectable and 2 baseballs testing policy is designed not to catch anyone.
There are pople who think Hank Aaron took steroids at the end of his career, so should we take him out of the hall of fame. We know that Aaron and Mays and a majority of players were on greenies, should we kick them out of the hall of fame? Is that not cheating? Gaylord Perry cheated, should we kick him out of the hall of fame? I really dont understand the hang up with steroids. And I dont understand why people cant accept that they have been and will continue to be a part of athletics.

Speed? Really? Why not take Lincy out of the game because he likes his weed? Take away Doc's Lsd no hitter? Mays has a terrible end of his carrer unlike Clemens where his needle helped him immensly. Roids may be a part of some players but not all, and if we are talking about the hall they should not be voted in. I really think some of them went WAY too far with it.

I said Aaron is suspected of using at the end of his career, not Mays. And to compare amphetamines to weed and LSD is absurd. There is a reason that all these guys tke them.[/quote:2ss4w0k8]
Well Aaron had a weak end too, hit an avg. 14 hrs and hit less than 250 for the last 3 years. If he juiced it didn't help much.[/quote:2ss4w0k8]


WOW! Let me get this straight, you only have a problem with steriods in the game if the player is productive on them? What a freaking hypocrite.[/quote:2ss4w0k8]
Wow, please show me one comment where i didn't have a problem with steroids??? I think all players that have juiced should be permabanned from the hall - no exceptions. I never said once otherwise. I think someone needs to buy a dictionary to look up the word hypocrite. Nice try though. :benson:[/quote:2ss4w0k8]


You suggested that even if Hank Aaron used, he didn't do much on them. You said, "If he juiced, it didn't help much". i.e., its not a big deal.

 

[blitzerlover]

Since someone brought up Schilling, Do you think Smoltz is a first ballot HOFer?

 

[Krom]

[quote="Krom":104s7j1m][quote="elmalo":104s7j1m][quote="scotty21690":104s7j1m][quote="elmalo":104s7j1m][quote="scotty21690":104s7j1m]I HATE how people compare personal issues off the field to career issue on the field.


Being a drunk off the field IS NOT THE SAME as taking steroids/PEDs to enhance their performance on the field. Don't be an idiot.....PEDs are cheating. Don't relate the two.


Congrats to Alomar, and also congrats to myself so I won't have to listen to members bitch that Blyleven should be in the HOF......14 years later....

The problem is that we dont know who did or who didnt. There wasnt testing before and the testing now is a joke.

That's not the frackin point!!!!!!!

You said "Oh my yea those players had bad ethics and they are in the HOF....so why don't we let in all of the roiders as well! Same thing, right?!"


It doesn't matter who did and who didn't, that's not what I was trying to get across! Players who used steroids CHEATED, and they should not be in the HALL OF FAME if they had to cheat! Yes, there are some players in the HOF with personal issues....off the field, but they didn't cheat.


Considering you are sticking up for Bonds/Clemens,etc though, you must think noone was on steroids in the past few decades...am I right? Oh they never failed a drug test....that must mean they have been clean their whole career!


>>>FACEPALM<<<


Bondo, my post was not directed at you.

First off, you should settle down
Secondly, steroids have been a problem in baseball since the late 60's. Now all of the sudden we are going to pick or chose who gets into the hall of fame based on suspicions? We have no idea who was on them bc baseball didnt test for them. And even now that they do we still have no idea bc 1.the stuff that these guys use is undetectable and 2 baseballs testing policy is designed not to catch anyone.
There are pople who think Hank Aaron took steroids at the end of his career, so should we take him out of the hall of fame. We know that Aaron and Mays and a majority of players were on greenies, should we kick them out of the hall of fame? Is that not cheating? Gaylord Perry cheated, should we kick him out of the hall of fame? I really dont understand the hang up with steroids. And I dont understand why people cant accept that they have been and will continue to be a part of athletics.

Speed? Really? Why not take Lincy out of the game because he likes his weed? Take away Doc's Lsd no hitter? Mays has a terrible end of his carrer unlike Clemens where his needle helped him immensly. Roids may be a part of some players but not all, and if we are talking about the hall they should not be voted in. I really think some of them went WAY too far with it.

I said Aaron is suspected of using at the end of his career, not Mays. And to compare amphetamines to weed and LSD is absurd. There is a reason that all these guys tke them.[/quote:104s7j1m]
Well Aaron had a weak end too, hit an avg. 14 hrs and hit less than 250 for the last 3 years. If he juiced it didn't help much.[/quote:104s7j1m]


WOW! Let me get this straight, you only have a problem with steriods in the game if the player is productive on them? What a freaking hypocrite.[/quote:104s7j1m]
Wow, please show me one comment where i didn't have a problem with steroids??? I think all players that have juiced should be permabanned from the hall - no exceptions. I never said once otherwise. I think someone needs to buy a dictionary to look up the word hypocrite. Nice try though. :benson:[/quote:104s7j1m]


You suggested that even if Hank Aaron used, he didn't do much on them. You said, "If he juiced, it didn't help much". i.e., its not a big deal.[/quote:104s7j1m]
I said if he used it didn't work, i didn't say its not a big deal, it would be. There is a difference, thanks again, you might want to read things through before you call someone a freaking hyprocrite. ::facepalm::

 

[scotty21690]

Since someone brought up Schilling, Do you think Smoltz is a first ballot HOFer?

Yes.

 

[elmalo]

[quote="elmalo":fp1176vt][quote="scotty21690":fp1176vt][quote="elmalo":fp1176vt][quote="scotty21690":fp1176vt]I HATE how people compare personal issues off the field to career issue on the field.


Being a drunk off the field IS NOT THE SAME as taking steroids/PEDs to enhance their performance on the field. Don't be an idiot.....PEDs are cheating. Don't relate the two.


Congrats to Alomar, and also congrats to myself so I won't have to listen to members bitch that Blyleven should be in the HOF......14 years later....

The problem is that we dont know who did or who didnt. There wasnt testing before and the testing now is a joke.

That's not the frackin point!!!!!!!

You said "Oh my yea those players had bad ethics and they are in the HOF....so why don't we let in all of the roiders as well! Same thing, right?!"


It doesn't matter who did and who didn't, that's not what I was trying to get across! Players who used steroids CHEATED, and they should not be in the HALL OF FAME if they had to cheat! Yes, there are some players in the HOF with personal issues....off the field, but they didn't cheat.


Considering you are sticking up for Bonds/Clemens,etc though, you must think noone was on steroids in the past few decades...am I right? Oh they never failed a drug test....that must mean they have been clean their whole career!


>>>FACEPALM<<<


Bondo, my post was not directed at you.

First off, you should settle down
Secondly, steroids have been a problem in baseball since the late 60's. Now all of the sudden we are going to pick or chose who gets into the hall of fame based on suspicions? We have no idea who was on them bc baseball didnt test for them. And even now that they do we still have no idea bc 1.the stuff that these guys use is undetectable and 2 baseballs testing policy is designed not to catch anyone.
There are pople who think Hank Aaron took steroids at the end of his career, so should we take him out of the hall of fame. We know that Aaron and Mays and a majority of players were on greenies, should we kick them out of the hall of fame? Is that not cheating? Gaylord Perry cheated, should we kick him out of the hall of fame? I really dont understand the hang up with steroids. And I dont understand why people cant accept that they have been and will continue to be a part of athletics.

Speed? Really? Why not take Lincy out of the game because he likes his weed? Take away Doc's Lsd no hitter? Mays has a terrible end of his carrer unlike Clemens where his needle helped him immensly. Roids may be a part of some players but not all, and if we are talking about the hall they should not be voted in. I really think some of them went WAY too far with it.

I said Aaron is suspected of using at the end of his career, not Mays. And to compare amphetamines to weed and LSD is absurd. There is a reason that all these guys tke them.[/quote:fp1176vt]
Well Aaron had a weak end too, hit an avg. 14 hrs and hit less than 250 for the last 3 years. If he juiced it didn't help much.[/quote:fp1176vt]


WOW! Let me get this straight, you only have a problem with steriods in the game if the player is productive on them? What a freaking hypocrite.[/quote:fp1176vt]
Wow, please show me one comment where i didn't have a problem with steroids??? I think all players that have juiced should be permabanned from the hall - no exceptions. I never said once otherwise. I think someone needs to buy a dictionary to look up the word hypocrite. Nice try though. :benson:[/quote:fp1176vt]
Only problem is we dont know who juiced and who didnt. Baseball didnt test until 2003, and even with their testing, there are flaws