HOF inductions... the next three years

[sportscardtheory]

I think Glavine gets in first-ballot as well. No way less than 75% of the voters put this guy in the Hall.

 

[ChasHawk]

It's about who he's on the ballot with, and how many guys they want to put in at once.

 

[AndruwHRJones]

I realize you could only use 10 names, any reason you chose not to use Piazza? I assume you left out Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens due to steroid ties.

Either way, I think Piazza will be a 1st ballot guy.

 

[sportscardtheory]

I realize you could only use 10 names, any reason you chose not to use Piazza? I assume you left out Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens due to steroid ties.

Either way, I think Piazza will be a 1st ballot guy.

Since the HOF voters are clearly being strict on it, I stayed away from any player with any kind of PED link. Piazza was an admitted PED abuser and I think that hurts his chances.

 

[Topnotchsy]

I realize you could only use 10 names, any reason you chose not to use Piazza? I assume you left out Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens due to steroid ties.

Either way, I think Piazza will be a 1st ballot guy.

Since the HOF voters are clearly being strict on it, I stayed away from any player with any kind of PED link. Piazza was an admitted PED abuser and I think that hurts his chances.

I'm not all that familiar with the issue but from what I understand he admitted to experimenting with andro before it was banned and never failed a test. Was there more?

 

[AndruwHRJones]

I realize you could only use 10 names, any reason you chose not to use Piazza? I assume you left out Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens due to steroid ties.

Either way, I think Piazza will be a 1st ballot guy.

Since the HOF voters are clearly being strict on it, I stayed away from any player with any kind of PED link. Piazza was an admitted PED abuser and I think that hurts his chances.

I'm not all that familiar with the issue but from what I understand he admitted to experimenting with andro before it was banned and never failed a test. Was there more?

He supposedly admitted using steroids to a reporter once, but I assume that was off the record. I don't doubt he used steroids personally, but his name hasn't been drug through the mud like others, so I think he will likely get in next year. Although the voters could continue to make an example of anyone remotely linked to steroids and vote in Rock Raines, Jack Morris, or Lee Smith next year.

 

[nborton]

In order of likelihood of 1st ballot:

Maddux
Johnson
Thomas
Glavine
Biggio

I think Biggio should be in, but he will be the first of the list to appear. I'm not sure if he can steal enough votes at first. He should for sure make it though. Everyone on the list should make it eventually, but Mussina and Kent. They will be the guys on the boarder line.

He's not on the list here, but Sheffield has the stats where he should make it. However, who knows what happens with him.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Glavine:

305 wins
2 Cy Young Awards
10 All-Star games
6 top 3 finishes in Cy Young voting
5 time 20 game winner
5 times lead league in wins

Thank you for posting those so I didn't have to.

I can't believe less than half of the people who have voted, voted for him. He's absolutely 1st ballot without a shadow of a doubt.

The interesting thing is that, although he's certainly worthy of first ballot, he's not quite as 'good' as RJ, Pedro or Maddux - his "competition" if you will for the few years. I can easily see voters taking that into account - heck I did the same thing when I voted RJ, Maddux, Thomas and Pedro myself.

EDIT:

It's about who he's on the ballot with, and how many guys they want to put in at once.

^^^This sums it up nicely.

 

[sportscardtheory]

I realize you could only use 10 names, any reason you chose not to use Piazza? I assume you left out Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens due to steroid ties.

Either way, I think Piazza will be a 1st ballot guy.

Since the HOF voters are clearly being strict on it, I stayed away from any player with any kind of PED link. Piazza was an admitted PED abuser and I think that hurts his chances.

I'm not all that familiar with the issue but from what I understand he admitted to experimenting with andro before it was banned and never failed a test. Was there more?

http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2009/ ... tions.html

It's not any kind of real "proof", but they didn't have any on Bagwell either and only 50% or so voted for him. I see the same happening with Piazza, especially since he's even more linked to PED use than Bagwell.

 

[Topnotchsy]

I realize you could only use 10 names, any reason you chose not to use Piazza? I assume you left out Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens due to steroid ties.

Either way, I think Piazza will be a 1st ballot guy.

Since the HOF voters are clearly being strict on it, I stayed away from any player with any kind of PED link. Piazza was an admitted PED abuser and I think that hurts his chances.

I'm not all that familiar with the issue but from what I understand he admitted to experimenting with andro before it was banned and never failed a test. Was there more?

http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2009/ ... tions.html

It's not any kind of real "proof", but they didn't have any on Bagwell either and only 50% or so voted for him. I see the same happening with Piazza, especially since he's even more linked to PED use than Bagwell.

Interesting. I view Piazza differently than Bagwell because he was the best hitting catcher of all-time. I imagine there are some who may have felt Bagwell was not a 1st ballot guy even without any link to steroids.

Time will tell...



With Glavine, I can't imagine the 300 wins does not punch his ticket 1st ballot, although he is definitely not in the same link as Johnson, Pedro or Maddux.

 

[AndruwHRJones]

I realize you could only use 10 names, any reason you chose not to use Piazza? I assume you left out Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens due to steroid ties.

Either way, I think Piazza will be a 1st ballot guy.

Since the HOF voters are clearly being strict on it, I stayed away from any player with any kind of PED link. Piazza was an admitted PED abuser and I think that hurts his chances.

I'm not all that familiar with the issue but from what I understand he admitted to experimenting with andro before it was banned and never failed a test. Was there more?

http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2009/ ... tions.html

It's not any kind of real "proof", but they didn't have any on Bagwell either and only 50% or so voted for him. I see the same happening with Piazza, especially since he's even more linked to PED use than Bagwell.

Interesting. I view Piazza differently than Bagwell because he was the best hitting catcher of all-time. I imagine there are some who may have felt Bagwell was not a 1st ballot guy even without any link to steroids.

Time will tell...



With Glavine, I can't imagine the 300 wins does not punch his ticket 1st ballot, although he is definitely not in the same link as Johnson, Pedro or Maddux.

While this is a great discussion, the years players become eligible may ultimately decide whether or not they are a 1st ballot HOFer.

For example, Glavine is 1st eligible in 2014. Same year Maddux and Thomas are also 1st eligible (both 1st ballot in my opinion). I think that greatly hurts Glavine's chances at making it 1st ballot. Aside from Maddux and Thomas, Piazza, Bonds, Clemens, Bagwell, Sosa, Schilling, and Biggio may well still be on the ballot.

2015 is going to be crazy, how many names from the list above will still be left on the ballot? Add in Randy Johnson and Pedro, and Smoltz in my opinion has zero shot at making it 1st ballot.

My guess is sooner or later the steroid era guys are going to get in. When this will happen, who knows? I think Bonds will be one of the 1st to get in however.