HOLY SHINIKES!!!! NYJER MORGAN BRAWL IN MARLINS GAME!!!!!

[jbhofmann]

I thought the Sanchez hit was bush league at best. Morgan had a problem with Volstad, not Sanchez. Morgan was by himself. Volstad had at least 5 others in the vicinity.

You go after a team's pitcher, you deal with the team. Same goes in football. You go after the QB, you get the O-Line too.

Apple meet orange.

D-Linemen are within arms reach of the O-Line. Morgan was by himself.

Starting pitchers can't protect themselves? Ask Nolan Ryan if he wanted anyone to take care of his light work. You gotta be kidding.

 

[schmidtfan20]

wow, gets lit up and then taunts all 100 fans that are in the stands. of course I would
be bitter if I played for the Pirates all my life and then got traded to the Nats.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Yeah, you don't charge a pitcher without being prepared to get in and out before his team converges. Any starting pitcher is going to have "that friend" on the field at any given time, and "that friend" for Volstad was Sanchez. It was a sweet clothesline, but it should have been a Goldberg SPEAR.

Rhino Gore.

GORE! GORE! GORE!

 

[schmidtfan20]

Pat Listash waited all season for this!

 

[sigma_chi]

yeah Volstad couldn't handle things himself. He looked like such a little ****** out there. He had at least 5 seconds and still couldn't do anything but take a punch to the face. No wonder he needed backup.

 

[TomMurry]

I thought the Sanchez hit was bush league at best. Morgan had a problem with Volstad, not Sanchez. Morgan was by himself. Volstad had at least 5 others in the vicinity.

You go after a team's pitcher, you deal with the team. Same goes in football. You go after the QB, you get the O-Line too.

Apple meet orange.

D-Linemen are within arms reach of the O-Line. Morgan was by himself.

Starting pitchers can't protect themselves? Ask Nolan Ryan if he wanted anyone to take care of his light work. You gotta be kidding.

Nice try, but O-Lineman are typically much bigger than d line, AND the o-line is already closer to the QB. Thats enough time for a few shots by a bunch of guys. Nobody said the pitcher COULDNT handle himself, baseball players protect their pitchers, so he didnt have to.

 

[voteEjordan]

As a Nats fan, I'm so sick of Morgan. Despite having a frustrating record, there is still excitement about the team due to Strasburg and Harper. Zimmerman was absolutely sick the other night on the mound, and Morgan blows it trying to truck another catcher.

Can he appeal two suspensions at once? He's got one pending for throwing a ball at a fan. I've sat in center a few games and he loves toying with the crowd- when some Phillies fans were giving him the typical ribbing (just yelling his name all game) he couldn't resist turning around, grabbing his jock and spitting towards the stands. At the time I thought the interaction was kind of fun, but after all the rest of the crap he's done this year...You're a professional man, just act like you can't hear them so they can say "he totally hears us".

Not to mention (in my small, unscientific, sample of games I've caught this year) I've rarely seen a good throw out of him. No threat to gun guys down at third, let alone the plate. Usually just tosses it back in OR way off target.

Riggs was smart to bench his ass after the incident with the Cards (same thing, ran over a catcher instead of sliding). Now its time to DFA his ass. Willingham, Morse, Bernadina all day.

I was back home Detroit, cheering on the Tigers, when Youk charged Porcello and had fun watching it, but this was just embarrassing.

 

[schmidtfan20]

nm

 

[pigskincardboard]

Isn't morgan like half the size of any of Florida's pitchers?

If Nate Kaeding came at Ben Roethlisberger, I'd probably call him a little bitch if he needed other people to stand in for him.

In conclusion, when you're a 6'8", 230lb man and someone weighing a buck-sixty soaking wet comes charging you, do you really need your first baseman to protect you?

I think if you plunk someone intentionally, they have the right to come at you. If you plunk someone and then throw behind you, they still have that right. I don't really agree with fighting in baseball or any sport, but it seems as though these rules have been established.

 

[jbhofmann]

I thought the Sanchez hit was bush league at best. Morgan had a problem with Volstad, not Sanchez. Morgan was by himself. Volstad had at least 5 others in the vicinity.

You go after a team's pitcher, you deal with the team. Same goes in football. You go after the QB, you get the O-Line too.

Apple meet orange.

D-Linemen are within arms reach of the O-Line. Morgan was by himself.

Starting pitchers can't protect themselves? Ask Nolan Ryan if he wanted anyone to take care of his light work. You gotta be kidding.

Nice try, but O-Lineman are typically much bigger than d line, AND the o-line is already closer to the QB. Thats enough time for a few shots by a bunch of guys. Nobody said the pitcher COULDNT handle himself, baseball players protect their pitchers, so he didnt have to.

Do you realize you are trying to justify a baseball fight cheapshot by comparing it to a sport that basically has 8-10 controlled fights on every play? I was a (marginal) Divsion 1 college football lineman and was lucky enough to be in an NFL mini camp (before I got cut for being terrible) and totally agree with protecting the QB but the pitcher vs batter duel is just that, a duel.

Hockey does one thing right. They let the two guys go at it until it hits the ice. Why not let the P and Batter go at in on the mound until someone hits dirt or falls out of the circle, sumo style?

 

[NECpilgrims8]

Morgan is a punk and got what he deserved. I never understood coming after the pitcher when the ball clearly was not intended to hit him.

The pitch never intended to hit him? What?

Volstad threw behind Morgan. That had every intention of hitting him, but he missed for some crazy reason.

These are major league pitchers. They don't just throw completely behind a batter by mistake. They are sharpshooters by trade.

Plus, if you hit him the first time, expect him to steal. Don't get pissed when he does it twice and you can't catch him.

 

[jeff550]

As a Nats fan, I'm so sick of Morgan. Despite having a frustrating record, there is still excitement about the team due to Strasburg and Harper. Zimmerman was absolutely sick the other night on the mound, and Morgan blows it trying to truck another catcher.

Can he appeal two suspensions at once? He's got one pending for throwing a ball at a fan. I've sat in center a few games and he loves toying with the crowd- when some Phillies fans were giving him the typical ribbing (just yelling his name all game) he couldn't resist turning around, grabbing his jock and spitting towards the stands. At the time I thought the interaction was kind of fun, but after all the rest of the crap he's done this year...You're a professional man, just act like you can't hear them so they can say "he totally hears us".

Not to mention (in my small, unscientific, sample of games I've caught this year) I've rarely seen a good throw out of him. No threat to gun guys down at third, let alone the plate. Usually just tosses it back in OR way off target.

Riggs was smart to bench his ass after the incident with the Cards (same thing, ran over a catcher instead of sliding). Now its time to DFA his ass. Willingham, Morse, Bernadina all day.

I was back home Detroit, cheering on the Tigers, when Youk charged Porcello and had fun watching it, but this was just embarrassing.

dont worry he will be cut IMO. if riggleman stays, nyjers gone

 

[A_Pharis]

I always thought that throwing behind was more of an intentional insult/threat.

Kind of like a pitcher's way of calling him a bitch.

 

[TomMurry]

Hockey does one thing right. They let the two guys go at it until it hits the ice. Why not let the P and Batter go at in on the mound until someone hits dirt or falls out of the circle, sumo style?

You have to understand that not ALL pitcher/batter matchups will be like this. What if it was Lincecum vs Pujols (used for comparison purposes only). THEN would you see how pitchers need to be protected? Pitchers injuries tend to have longer lasting effects on the team than other players. Its not just protecting the pitcher, its protecting the team.

I was a fairly good pitcher at a DII college and got invites for several ML teams until it was determined that my shoulder injury was too serious to overcome at a professional level. You know that you are going to throw inside and sometimes, you get a guy. You cant be afraid to throw inside or high and tight. If someone throws at a hitter on purpose and they get charged, they deserve it. If youre challenging a hitter and get them and they charge, your team is there to protect you. Cant always tell the difference, so you defer to standard of protecting the pither at all times.

 

[jbhofmann]

Hockey does one thing right. They let the two guys go at it until it hits the ice. Why not let the P and Batter go at in on the mound until someone hits dirt or falls out of the circle, sumo style?

You have to understand that not ALL pitcher/batter matchups will be like this. What if it was Lincecum vs Pujols (used for comparison purposes only). THEN would you see how pitchers need to be protected? Pitchers injuries tend to have longer lasting effects on the team than other players. Its not just protecting the pitcher, its protecting the team.

I was a fairly good pitcher at a DII college and got invites for several ML teams until it was determined that my shoulder injury was too serious to overcome at a professional level. You know that you are going to throw inside and sometimes, you get a guy. You cant be afraid to throw inside or high and tight. If someone throws at a hitter on purpose and they get charged, they deserve it. If youre challenging a hitter and get them and they charge, your team is there to protect you. Cant always tell the difference, so you defer to standard of protecting the pither at all times.

That's just it! Don't pick a fight with someone you can't deal with. He intended to throw at Morgan, because some unwritten rule exists. Would Bob Gibson have wanted help? C'mon. Man up. If you want to throw a weapon at someone, then you need to handle what is about to take place.

 

[henderson939]

Morgan is a punk and got what he deserved. I never understood coming after the pitcher when the ball clearly was not intended to hit him.

The pitch never intended to hit him? What?

Volstad threw behind Morgan. That had every intention of hitting him, but he missed for some crazy reason.

These are major league pitchers. They don't just throw completely behind a batter by mistake. They are sharpshooters by trade.

Plus, if you hit him the first time, expect him to steal. Don't get pissed when he does it twice and you can't catch him.

You are right, they are Major League pitchers, that is why I am pretty sure he would have been hit by the pitch if he wanted it to. The ball just got away, which does happen from time to time.

 

[TomMurry]

Hockey does one thing right. They let the two guys go at it until it hits the ice. Why not let the P and Batter go at in on the mound until someone hits dirt or falls out of the circle, sumo style?

You have to understand that not ALL pitcher/batter matchups will be like this. What if it was Lincecum vs Pujols (used for comparison purposes only). THEN would you see how pitchers need to be protected? Pitchers injuries tend to have longer lasting effects on the team than other players. Its not just protecting the pitcher, its protecting the team.

I was a fairly good pitcher at a DII college and got invites for several ML teams until it was determined that my shoulder injury was too serious to overcome at a professional level. You know that you are going to throw inside and sometimes, you get a guy. You cant be afraid to throw inside or high and tight. If someone throws at a hitter on purpose and they get charged, they deserve it. If youre challenging a hitter and get them and they charge, your team is there to protect you. Cant always tell the difference, so you defer to standard of protecting the pither at all times.

That's just it! Don't pick a fight with someone you can't deal with. He intended to throw at Morgan, because some unwritten rule exists. Would Bob Gibson have wanted help? C'mon. Man up. If you want to throw a weapon at someone, then you need to handle what is about to take place.

You're missing the point where I said it is the TEAM that protects the pitcher, not the pitcher asking the team to protect him. You do what you need to do and your team does what they need to do.

 

[morgoth]

You guys are acting like Volstad had any control of what Sanchez would do. Do you really think he told Sanchez to come help him in the 0.3 seconds he had to do it in?

Also Morgan missed on the punch so whomever thought Volstad got hit was wrong.

Morgan is a punk himself who uses his "alter ego" to trash anyone he doesn't like so he doesn't have to own up to it.

 

[jbhofmann]

Volstad did have control.

He could have charged back and met him halfway but he looked scared.

 

[markakis8]

Morgan is a punk and got what he deserved. I never understood coming after the pitcher when the ball clearly was not intended to hit him.

The pitch never intended to hit him? What?

Volstad threw behind Morgan. That had every intention of hitting him, but he missed for some crazy reason.

These are major league pitchers. They don't just throw completely behind a batter by mistake. They are sharpshooters by trade.

Plus, if you hit him the first time, expect him to steal. Don't get pissed when he does it twice and you can't catch him.

THANK YOU!

This is what I wrote in the other thread:

And stealing two bases down 10 runs just isn't baseball. That's not how the game is played. It's too bad Volstad didn't plunk him again after that. Always nice to see a ******* get what's coming to him though, and Sanchez made sure that happened by putting his ass straight on the ground.

Yes I agree wholeheartedly Nyjer is a huge *******....

But I don't get why everyone is making such a huge stink about him stealing 2 bases SUCCESSFULLY when his team is down by 10 runs in the 4TH INNING!

If the Marlins are going to let him steal the bases, why not do it? His team is losing! IMO, if I had Nyjer's speed and I just thought they hit me intentionally - I'd do the same damn thing. I thought it was great that he didn't charge the mound the first time and used his skills instead.

Now if the Nationals were up by 10 runs...that'd be a different story...

I would've charged the mound like Nyjer did the second time as well....

His *******-ness though comes from previous games and the fact he felt the need to taunt the crowd after the brawl as if he was "king of the ring" or something...

I agree with everything Nyjer did in-between the lines that game....outside is different story.