How can people still think Jeter is over rated?

[Bornagaincollector]

Derek Jeter isn't the best Yankee ever rightnow,but if he continues to put up his current #'s until he is 40...I believe he would be rated higher then Mantle,Berra and Joe D. He will never reache Ruth,Lou G. fame.

I believe he is 1 of the best players to play the last 25 years.

 

[andyduke86]

Just because he is overrated doesn't mean that isn't a great player.

 

[Johan Santana 57]

How about cause he has a $189,000,000 contract.

He is good, but not worth 189 million.

Then again no one really is, except Pujols.

 

[leatherman]

All I know is that when I teach my son how to play baseball, I will be using Derek Jeter and Pete Rose as the blueprints. They both went hard on every play, and never took anything for granted. Offensively, they forced defenses to make plays to get them out every time. Defensively, they may not have been the best fielders, but they were always positioned properly and knew what to do when the ball was hit to them, and where to go when the ball was put in play. Getting to a ground ball doesn't mean a thing if you throw to the wrong base.

I really don't know how anyone can say Jeter is overrated defensively. In order to be overrated at anything, you must have a bunch of people first say that you are great at that thing. Honestly, I have NEVER heard Jeter's name in conversations about great fielders. It's pretty hard to be overrated defensively when no one is saying you are great in the first place.

For those of you that have spent a lot of time trying to knock Jeter down, I feel bad for you. You have missed out on a great ballplayer.

One stat for you. Here is a list of the 9 players (yeah, just 9) with 3000 career hits and a batting average of .310: http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/CnQdj

This list will include Jeter's name in 2 years.


David

 

[carlitoson]

... In order to be overrated at anything, you must have a bunch of people first say that you are great at that thing. Honestly, I have NEVER heard Jeter's name in conversations about great fielders. It's pretty hard to be overrated defensively when no one is saying you are great in the first place...David

It mostly comes from the fact that he's been "awarded" several Gold Gloves.

I agree with the gist of your post though. He's a great player in many ways and a lot of fans won't realize it until he's retired.

 

[hive17]

All I know is that when I teach my son how to play baseball, I will be using Derek Jeter and Pete Rose as the blueprints. They both went hard on every play, and never took anything for granted. Offensively, they forced defenses to make plays to get them out every time. Defensively, they may not have been the best fielders, but they were always positioned properly and knew what to do when the ball was hit to them, and where to go when the ball was put in play. Getting to a ground ball doesn't mean a thing if you throw to the wrong base.

I really don't know how anyone can say Jeter is overrated defensively. In order to be overrated at anything, you must have a bunch of people first say that you are great at that thing. Honestly, I have NEVER heard Jeter's name in conversations about great fielders. It's pretty hard to be overrated defensively when no one is saying you are great in the first place.

For those of you that have spent a lot of time trying to knock Jeter down, I feel bad for you. You have missed out on a great ballplayer.

One stat for you. Here is a list of the 9 players (yeah, just 9) with 3000 career hits and a batting average of .310: http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/CnQdj

This list will include Jeter's name in 2 years.


David

I think this makes the best point. You look at those names on that list, especially the ones from the 70s and later, and you see the perfect shot group that Jeter falls into. Jeter=Brett=Gwynn=Carew=Yount=Boggs=Ichiro

All great players, and everyone there should be an example of how you play the game.

But those names there are second tier when compared to Ruth, Williams, Mays, Cobb, etc. I think people sometimes do have a problem with trying to move Jeter into that second category. His HOF voting % (1st ballot) will be somewhere in the mid-80%.

I also wonder if the value of his cards comes into the equation when people think of him. Some collectors pull a card of say Cal Ripken (Ripken>Jeter), but are dissappointed that the Jeter auto will command more that the Cal. It's completely unrelated, but I'm bettign it still happens.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Yeah, I don't even know why people are even discussing how good he is on the field anymore, that's just a given. This always makes me laugh:

http://www.thechimp.net/store/2008.09.29/Derek%20Jeter%20-%20hollywood-******-tree.jpg

You dudes are totally discussing the wrong stats!

How about this on base percentage?
...

 

[JzWand]

I always thought he was overated, but in all fairness, I admire the way he plays.

He tries hard at every play, cares more about winning than individual stats, and is a great ALL AROUND player.

I still dont like him, and sure his success is partly due to the team and players around him, but he produces ata staggering #.

The hit #'s dont really mean much to me because the guys hes passing, Ruth and Gehrig, were power hitters so its understandable that at times they sacrificed hits for homeruns. And Gehrig would have gotten to 3000 if not for his illness.

 

[Sly]

Let me add one more thing about the defense.

He's get SO much credit for his defense because of two plays.

1. The play where he dove into the stands (you all know what play I'm talking about). Hey guess what, people do that on a regular basis. What makes Jeter doing it stand out more than anybody else??? The fact he did it on the biggest stage (New York). Otherwise, there was nothing "spectacular" about that play, that is any different than what anyone else does.

2. "The Flip". Two things about this play. First, WHAT THE HELL was Jeter doing in that position. There is NEVER any reason a Shortstop should be that close to home plate...NO REASON. He was completely out of position on that play. And two, if Jeremy Giambi had slid, it would have been a normal play at the plate. But because he was an idiot, he went in standing and was able to be tagged out. Slide, he was probably safe. Go in standing, and Jeter (out of position, though never mentioned) makes an AMAZING play. Ugh. It was not "amazing."

Because of these two plays, Jeter is considered a GREAT fielder...but in reality, he is an average fielder. THIS makes him overrated on defense.

Fielding percentage is a grossly overrated stat, as is number of Golden Gloves, because they're given out to just about anyone.

Ozzie Smith averaged over 100 more chances per season than Jeter does, so he's bound to make an error or two more...but even on that, both averaged about 14 errors per season, so with 100 more chances, Smith made the same amount of errors. As well, you look at the Range Factor between the two per game...5.03 for Smith vs. 4.02 for Jeter.

Smith also made spectacular plays on a regular basis, back in the day that Gold Gloves meant something, hence the 13 consecutive he won, versus the three that Jeter has won.

Jeter's not terrible on defense, but he's not great, and not as good as he's given credit for.

 

[newhannibal]

Let me add one more thing about the defense.


2. "The Flip". Two things about this play. First, WHAT THE HELL was Jeter doing in that position. There is NEVER any reason a Shortstop should be that close to home plate...NO REASON. He was completely out of position on that play. And two, if Jeremy Giambi had slid, it would have been a normal play at the plate. But because he was an idiot, he went in standing and was able to be tagged out. Slide, he was probably safe. Go in standing, and Jeter (out of position, though never mentioned) makes an AMAZING play. Ugh. It was not "amazing."

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That's what makes it great, if you look at the play you see Jeter racing from SS position to cutoff the throw; he was purposefully racing to get out of position. However, the dive play is overrated.

 

[011873]

Im the one who started this thread and Ive changed my mind abut him. Hes vastly over rated and Ill tell you why:

1. HE JUST MADE 2 OUTS IN THE INNING THE YANKS GOT A TON OF HITS

2. He is now 0-8 in tonights Double header

3. The players around him since 1995 are the MAIN reason why he has so many hits. It has nothing to do with his skills. In fact, Mariano Duncan was the only reason he won ROY in 1996.

4. Gatorade is actually injected with HGH for him and we all know how much he drinks.

5. He wears a shin guard.

::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm::

 

[boomo]

you want overrated, i got 2 words for ya, dustin pedroia.
how the hell does he get MVP. only scooter in 1950 was a worse pick for MVP

 

[Daltonb1219]

I personally just dont like the Yankees thats why i dont like Jeter just mo

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

Derek Jeter isn't the best Yankee ever rightnow,but if he continues to put up his current #'s until he is 40...I believe he would be rated higher then Mantle,Berra and Joe D. He will never reache Ruth,Lou G. fame.

I believe he is 1 of the best players to play the last 25 years.

Just to comment on your "level of elite Yankee's", I'd have to say that in terms of fame it would be Ruth/Mantle (not Ruth/Lou G). As Mantle's "fame" is world renowned (everyone's heard of Mantle) whereas Lou G. is not...at least not in the "fame" category.

 

[trademhigh]

Derek Jeter isn't the best Yankee ever rightnow,but if he continues to put up his current #'s until he is 40...I believe he would be rated higher then Mantle,Berra and Joe D. He will never reache Ruth,Lou G. fame.

I believe he is 1 of the best players to play the last 25 years.

Just to comment on your "level of elite Yankee's", I'd have to say that in terms of fame it would be Ruth/Mantle (not Ruth/Lou G). As Mantle's "fame" is world renowned (everyone's heard of Mantle) whereas Lou G. is not...at least not in the "fame" category.

Disagreed. Same amount of people know who Lou Gehrig is as they do Mickey Mantle.

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

Derek Jeter isn't the best Yankee ever rightnow,but if he continues to put up his current #'s until he is 40...I believe he would be rated higher then Mantle,Berra and Joe D. He will never reache Ruth,Lou G. fame.

I believe he is 1 of the best players to play the last 25 years.

Just to comment on your "level of elite Yankee's", I'd have to say that in terms of fame it would be Ruth/Mantle (not Ruth/Lou G). As Mantle's "fame" is world renowned (everyone's heard of Mantle) whereas Lou G. is not...at least not in the "fame" category.

Disagreed. Same amount of people know who Lou Gehrig is as they do Mickey Mantle.

Doubtful bud (unless you're saying that based on the familiarity of Gherig's last name being a nationally known illness- & even then I'm sure many have no idea the name went with a ballplayer).

Mantle's fame was on par with the Beatles, Elvis, & Sliced Bread (Ruth/Mantle= baseball fame + iconic fame...gherig=baseball fame + name of illness).

 

[donrusscrusademan]

Derek Jeter isn't the best Yankee ever rightnow,but if he continues to put up his current #'s until he is 40...I believe he would be rated higher then Mantle,Berra and Joe D. He will never reache Ruth,Lou G. fame.

I believe he is 1 of the best players to play the last 25 years.

Just to comment on your "level of elite Yankee's", I'd have to say that in terms of fame it would be Ruth/Mantle (not Ruth/Lou G). As Mantle's "fame" is world renowned (everyone's heard of Mantle) whereas Lou G. is not...at least not in the "fame" category.

Disagreed. Same amount of people know who Lou Gehrig is as they do Mickey Mantle.

Lou Gehrig is hands down my favorite player.
I think more people lean to mickey is that some are still around that saw him play

 

[donrusscrusademan]

and to add to that, I believe Lou is the 2nd best of all-time. I consider Williams and Paige close on his heels, whereas MM is awesome but not top 10 IMO.. but close

 

[darocker80]

On the defensive side of the ball Jeter is grossly overrated. I have no qualms with his bat.

agreed

 

[muskiesfan]

People need to quit putting so much importance on the word overrated. Derek Jeter is overrated. However, that doesn't mean he's not a solid ball player and that he won't be a first ballot HOFer.

I don't like Jeter and I don't dislike Jeter. I think he's a fine offensive player and that he is a HOFer.

Here's why Jeter is overrated. What is said about him and truth after it.

He won 4 WS. Truth: He has 4 WS rings and played on 4 WS winning teams. He has won 0 WS alone.

He is the best SS ever. Truth: Offensively, his numbers may be close to that when he retires. Defensively, not even remotely close. He's not even the best SS on his own team.

He's won GGs and Silver Sluggers. Truth: Those are becoming more about popularity. His defensive stats did not warrant 2 of his GGs. Michael Young and Orlando Cabrera put up much, much better defensive numbers 2 of those years. I don't feel like looking up the numbers, but Jhonny Peralta ws much more deserving of the SS last year, but popularity pulled another award for Jeter.

Like I said, Jeter is an awesome baseball player and will be a certain HOFer. That doesn't mean he isn't overrated and that he isn't given more credit than he deserves. Hypothetically speaking, if Jeter and Michael Young switched teams and had the same career numbers they do now, people would be saying Derek who???