How do you feel about Leaf Trinity patch cards?

[Leaf]

After reading the back of that card, my question is... What's an autograpth?

Good catch!.. This pisses me off!
Ill be ripping some ass tomorrow!
BG

 

[SINFULONE]

So some anonymous minor league player's uniform who has never played in MLB is a "piece of history"?

 

[Leaf]

They traded it for a sweet box of china replica jerseys.

But seriously BG please tell me this isnt a case of boxing up a jersey and hoping the player wears it as in the past you said you are not at every signing. For instance do you have pictures of the players wearing these "player worn" jerseys while signing cards? Did you guys witness this? While it dont change the fact this is stupid, it would make it a smidge better than a jersey in a box and taking their word they wear it.

The player and witness sign a sworn affadavit that he wears the jersey.
BG

 

[Leaf]

So some anonymous minor league player's uniform who has never played in MLB is a "piece of history"?

The card is a piece of history.
BG

P.S.- saying they are anonymous minor leaguers is very short sighted and clearly not knowledgeable about the players...

 

[SINFULONE]

The card is a piece of history.
BG

P.S.- saying they are anonymous minor leaguers is very short sighted and clearly not knowledgeable about the players...

By that logic, then anyone can make a custom card of some nobody and it is a "piece of history".I fail to see how anyone else would think that is "historical", nor do I see many on or off this board who would know who Knebel even is.

 

[BiggioBrooks755]

To answer your questions:

1> we used replicas as we had done so in football without negative feedback... Based on customer feedback, we will use authentic jerseys in next years baseball set.

2> The inscriptions cards are designed for the player to add an inscirption if they wish.. For many years, companies including Pinnacle, Score and UD used the inscriptions name to describe autograph cards. In anticipation that some players would not wish to inscirbe, we clearly stated on the order form that SOME of these cards will feature inscriptions in addition to player signatures. This information was available to the market even before the orders were due form dealers, thus it should be no surprise. Next year, we will possibly eliminate inscriptions altogether in this set and introduce a new 3rd element.

3> Only Oscar Taveras did this in this set. Frankly, there are some players who dont speak or write the language well. We try to be sympathetic to this cultural divide and recognize that the player is free to sign the cards the way he wishes. Frankly, I find these VERY unique and would much prefer this to the Vernand Morency or Chris Johnson crap of the last few years. Of course, its much more fun to look at the glass half empty, therefore many critics will not recognize the uniqueness and will rather focus on his unusual decision. When the player puts his ink to paper and places his name, that is his signature/autograph.

Hope this helps.. BG

100% agree

 

[MansGame]

Good catch!.. This pisses me off!
Ill be ripping some ass tomorrow!
BG

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[nyc3]

The player and witness sign a sworn affadavit that he wears the jersey.
BG

And the witness works for you? Or them? (agent, family member etc) ?

 

[OscarOne]

The card is a piece of history.
BG

P.S.- saying they are anonymous minor leaguers is very short sighted and clearly not knowledgeable about the players...

This is a very true statement.

I have been getting into collecting autographs of players who played primarily in the minor leagues...guys who were front line sluggers in the minors, but never able to make the majors. Its been a ton of fun, since so many guys you can cards and autographs without spending a boatload. Then, with each new autograph I have been writing about them...and man...when you read about these guys histories, dig out their old scouting reports, or what people thought there projections were...it is really interesting...and historical.

I think the single worst thing about this hobby today is the prospecting, and the kind of money people are throwing around at guys who may very well flame out before making it to AAA. But...and this is the fun part...I love that all these card companies are trying to meet the demands by pumping out so many prospect heavy sets. Every 5 years or so it is fun to go back and buy cards that were selling for hundreds of dollars for a sliver of that, and then read and write about what they heck happened to the dude.

I am getting off point.

I am just saying that every player has a place in baseball history. Maybe it was just a draft pick...or included in a transaction...or was the starting SS for a double-A affiliate...but they all have their place. They were people who played the game, often for their livelihood, and played it the best they could. To start jumping on Leaf for this...saying that they are not historical enough to be considered "historical" on a card issue, is a little short sighted.

Caveat: everyone had their opinions on this, so please don't think I am insulting anyone here!

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

To answer your questions:

1> we used replicas as we had done so in football without negative feedback... Based on customer feedback, we will use authentic jerseys in next years baseball set.

2> The inscriptions cards are designed for the player to add an inscirption if they wish.. For many years, companies including Pinnacle, Score and UD used the inscriptions name to describe autograph cards. In anticipation that some players would not wish to inscirbe, we clearly stated on the order form that SOME of these cards will feature inscriptions in addition to player signatures. This information was available to the market even before the orders were due form dealers, thus it should be no surprise. Next year, we will possibly eliminate inscriptions altogether in this set and introduce a new 3rd element.

3> Only Oscar Taveras did this in this set. Frankly, there are some players who dont speak or write the language well. We try to be sympathetic to this cultural divide and recognize that the player is free to sign the cards the way he wishes. Frankly, I find these VERY unique and would much prefer this to the Vernand Morency or Chris Johnson crap of the last few years. Of course, its much more fun to look at the glass half empty, therefore many critics will not recognize the uniqueness and will rather focus on his unusual decision. When the player puts his ink to paper and places his name, that is his signature/autograph.

Hope this helps.. BG

Just an FYI, after busting 10 cases, Oscar wasn't the only one to do this. Domingo Tapia just wrote his name out on the two Inscription Autos that I pulled.

 

[SINFULONE]

This is a very true statement.

I have been getting into collecting autographs of players who played primarily in the minor leagues...guys who were front line sluggers in the minors, but never able to make the majors. Its been a ton of fun, since so many guys you can cards and autographs without spending a boatload. Then, with each new autograph I have been writing about them...and man...when you read about these guys histories, dig out their old scouting reports, or what people thought there projections were...it is really interesting...and historical.

I think the single worst thing about this hobby today is the prospecting, and the kind of money people are throwing around at guys who may very well flame out before making it to AAA. But...and this is the fun part...I love that all these card companies are trying to meet the demands by pumping out so many prospect heavy sets. Every 5 years or so it is fun to go back and buy cards that were selling for hundreds of dollars for a sliver of that, and then read and write about what they heck happened to the dude.

I am getting off point.

I am just saying that every player has a place in baseball history. Maybe it was just a draft pick...or included in a transaction...or was the starting SS for a double-A affiliate...but they all have their place. They were people who played the game, often for their livelihood, and played it the best they could. To start jumping on Leaf for this...saying that they are not historical enough to be considered "historical" on a card issue, is a little short sighted.

Caveat: everyone had their opinions on this, so please don't think I am insulting anyone here!

So every prospect card ever made is "historical" then?

 

[Ashburn Alley]

So every prospect card ever made is "historical" then?

I kind of agree with him. They are historical, just not anything of historical significance to most collectors.

 

[Leaf]

By that logic, then anyone can make a custom card of some nobody and it is a "piece of history".I fail to see how anyone else would think that is "historical", nor do I see many on or off this board who would know who Knebel even is.

It is a piece of trading card history as it is a PLAYER LICENSED (same licensing MLBPA give Panini) card ...
It is definately part of trading card history.. Symantics really necessary?

 

[Leaf]

And the witness works for you? Or them? (agent, family member etc) ?

Depends on the situation, but I feel strongly that the day we cannot trust the players sworn affadavit (along witha witness), is the day we should all worry about our hobby... BG

 

[aarne13]

So much pent up anger. Topps doesn't give a shat about complaints or customer service. There's no Upper Deck, Donruss or Score to complain to. Good or bad Leaf has been the only manufacturer that welcomes dialogue.
FWIW- I collect for the enjoyment, regardless of brand. I'm not expecting to be rich doing it.
The Taveras "auto" doesn't bother me or the fact that the patches are replicas.

 

[OscarOne]

So every prospect card ever made is "historical" then?

Yes. You may not like it, but I think so.

 

[SINFULONE]

It is a piece of trading card history as it is a PLAYER LICENSED (same licensing MLBPA give Panini) card ...
It is definately part of trading card history.. Symantics really necessary?

It's a public message board, debates will ensue.It's really no different than many complaining about the "happy prospecting" tag being used on many of your cards years ago.Signed prospect cards have been made for over a decade, don't see any "history" there, but that's just me.