How does the over under work when....

[noaskiecards]

There is a tie...For example, the ravens/colts was 44 in my pool. If the Colts had won 30 - 14, this is neither more or less than 44. Who wins/loses/ties?

 

[kdailey4315]

I believe it's a push and the bookie wins line when the spread is 6 and the favored team wins by 6. Everyone looses except the bookie.

 

[noaskiecards]

I believe it's a push and the bookie wins line when the spread is 6 and the favored team wins by 6. Everyone looses except the bookie.

So in my pool where no bookie is involved, everyone who took the over would not get a point and everyone who took the under would not get a point, so it would just be a wash if I understand you correctly. But if I was betting against a bookie, and the total was 44, I would lose regardless of whether I bet the over/under? Thanks.

 

[pigskincardboard]

Most gambling places will give you your original wager back, or if it's in a parlay, they'll disregard the bet. So instead of INDY + O = 3:1, You'll end up with INDY = 1:1.

Unless you win, the Bookie don't get his 5-10%. If your guy is taking that on pushes, I'd find a new guy... or THE INTERNET!

 

[noaskiecards]

What is the point of the 2.5 point spreads? Isn't it almost equivalent to even money as the winning team generally never wins by less than 3 anyway? This would only cover extra point/safety victories, am I right?

Does it essentially just tell the bettor one team is better than another? I have to assume 95 % or more of NFL games involve the winning team winning by 3 or more.

 

[kentuckyderby]

when you make a wager in Vegas, you actually bet 110%
10% = the juice or "vig"

for example if I want to win $50 I must pay $55 up front
If i win, I get my original bet of 55 plus the 50 profit

If I lose, they keep my 55

If it is a tie /push, they keep 10% (or $5 in this example)
I would get 50 of my 55 back


If it = a 3team parlay and a push = involved, it becomes 2 team parlay

exception = some teaser parlays actually state "all ties = loss" or "all ties= win"
it is stated on the card

for pool run with buddies/co-workers, it is always best to add 1/2 point when using over/under or point spread so ties do occur

 

[justinmandawg]

Most gambling places will give you your original wager back, or if it's in a parlay, they'll disregard the bet. So instead of INDY + O = 3:1, You'll end up with INDY = 1:1.

Unless you win, the Bookie don't get his 5-10%. If your guy is taking that on pushes, I'd find a new guy... or THE INTERNET!

3:1 is very generous on parlays of 2. I gotta find your guy.

 

[kentuckyderby]

two team parlay should pay 130:50
13/5

 

[EricInCT]

Parlays are sucker bets.

 

[kentuckyderby]

teasers are sucker bets but some have success with them

 

[pigskincardboard]

Most gambling places will give you your original wager back, or if it's in a parlay, they'll disregard the bet. So instead of INDY + O = 3:1, You'll end up with INDY = 1:1.

Unless you win, the Bookie don't get his 5-10%. If your guy is taking that on pushes, I'd find a new guy... or THE INTERNET!

3:1 is very generous on parlays of 2. I gotta find your guy.

I just wrote 3 to 1 because I didn't know the exact odds, 13/5 is the line, I guess.

Most of the time the money'll move (at least online) so you almost never end up with a straight line.

I've never placed money on a vegas book, but every online place that I've bet has just offered up your original wager back. Keeping money on a push is a pretty bitch move.

 

[kentuckyderby]

bitch move for keeping juice $$$ on a push??? not at all

that is ideally what a bookie wants:

50% money this way
50% money that way
they collect the 10% juice

lines are set by professionals hoping to get equal action both ways and then scooping up the vig/juice/10%

 

[pigskincardboard]

bitch move for keeping juice $$$ on a push??? not at all

that is ideally what a bookie wants:

50% money this way
50% money that way
they collect the 10% juice

lines are set by professionals hoping to get equal action both ways and then scooping up the vig/juice/10%

Yah, but the whole point is the 10% is a tax on the winners not a tax on your bets. You theoretically don't pay an extra 10 percent on losing bets.

ie. you place a bet and push.. You're book doesn't call you up asking for 10% of your bet if there's a push.

Vegas may be different, I don't know if you're speaking from first hand experience or not.

 

[kentuckyderby]

yes you do
when you place your bet in Vegas you pay the 10% up front
if you lose, it's gone

it isn't a "tax" on a win
it's a "tax" on the loss


the juice is on a loss not on the win
trust me

I'm talking Vegas betting and not some dude taking bets from his couch
If he is taking bets from his couch, he should be charging 10% juice on the losses

Ties/Pushes are "washes" in parlays but shouldn't be in single bets

 

[pigskincardboard]

yes you do
when you place your bet in Vegas you pay the 10% up front
if you lose, it's gone

it isn't a "tax" on a win
it's a "tax" on the loss


the juice is on a loss not on the win
trust me

I'm talking Vegas betting and not some dude taking bets from his couch
If he is taking bets from his couch, he should be charging 10% juice on the losses

Ties/Pushes are "washes" in parlays but shouldn't be in single bets

I'll take your word for it, but online books obviously play the way of the organized bookie (not someone sitting on a couch)
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(309) New England Patriots -7 (-115), Sun@1:00p

Risked CA$ 150.00 to win CA$ 130.40
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(309) New England Patriots -7 (-115), Sun@1:00p (Push)

Risked CA$ 150.00 to win CA$ 0.00
(credit) CA$ 150.00

 

[Rickzcards]

yes you do
when you place your bet in Vegas you pay the 10% up front
if you lose, it's gone

it isn't a "tax" on a win
it's a "tax" on the loss


the juice is on a loss not on the win
trust me

I'm talking Vegas betting and not some dude taking bets from his couch
If he is taking bets from his couch, he should be charging 10% juice on the losses

Ties/Pushes are "washes" in parlays but shouldn't be in single bets

I live here in Vegas and have yet to not collect my full bet on a push. Some bookies might do that but most sportsbooks don't, at least the ones I know of.

 

[pigskincardboard]

yes you do
when you place your bet in Vegas you pay the 10% up front
if you lose, it's gone

it isn't a "tax" on a win
it's a "tax" on the loss


the juice is on a loss not on the win
trust me

I'm talking Vegas betting and not some dude taking bets from his couch
If he is taking bets from his couch, he should be charging 10% juice on the losses

Ties/Pushes are "washes" in parlays but shouldn't be in single bets

I live here in Vegas and have yet to not collect my full bet on a push. Some bookies might do that but most sportsbooks don't, at least the ones I know of.

Welp, Bodog does it and the bookies I know do it. I think back in the day, when you were allowed to just call in bets, it started that push literally meant push. You could just keep that same 50 (or whatever) riding on the next game.

I think that when online books started moving the ML portion of the pointspread, the game changed becase...if the line on the point spread moves rather than the actual spread (-110 vs. -110) moves to (-125 vs. +105 (for simplicity) what the hell happens?

Obviously Bodog is one of the ghettoest books, but they do have the easiest payouts for my locations..