How does this card make it into a Best of anything product?

[fitch123]

Hey guys, I got linked to this thread from BO forums. I PM'd Brian Gray over on BO shortly after seeing my wonderful Griffey and got this as a response:

Hello.. I at the national this week and can be reached on my cell at xxxxxxxx or thru regular email at [email protected].

Please email or call and we can discuss.
BG

I emailed him and got this back:

Christian,
I got your email and appreciate the feedback.
This product is built and designed so that the worst box yields $30-$40 and the best yields $15,000...
With a factory cost (what we sell it for) of $185, this should make sense ...
Your Griffey, while not ye highest grade clearly, does not have a horrific autograph. It is a near mint to mint auto (graded 8).. The fact it is slabbed authentic is due to the fact that the card is only an 8 and we do not slab modern with grade for this product under 8.5..
On both auto and card, it is nrmt to mint which is in normal guidelines as acceptable among manufacturers.
I understand you may have gotten one of the worst boxes, however it does fall within the reasonable range we set for this product.
With that being said, I do appreciate the support..
Please send me your address.
I would like to send you a token of appreciation.
BG
Sent from my iPhone

Obviously I am still upset in terms of the outcome, but I can't complain about his response time and level of attentiveness to my issue.

 

[daveyou]

Topps once had or still has member(s) here; they are often turned off due to XXXXXing.

Dinabbs (Mike) was from topps. let me tell you, he was an awesome member as well as being a great GREAT topps rep.

i cant blame him or others not coming back after some crap they get.

fcb lost out on a good member..

dave

 

[cgilmo]

Dinabbs (Mike) was from topps. let me tell you, he was an awesome member as well as being a great GREAT topps rep.

i cant blame him or others not coming back after some crap they get.

fcb lost out on a good member..

dave

Mike is nothing but class.

 

[daveyou]

I think the issue here is that when someone has an issue and posts to the world without first giving the company a chance to respond, the world sees only one explanation of the story and runs with it. In the case of the Jeter card, BG has expressed he would replace the card and apologized, and yet many people will have only read the initial post, and never see that. The result is that what could have been an innocent mistake (and undamaged that Jeter card is quite nice) becomes something that people use to define the company.

Regarding the Griffey, Griffey certainly was one of the best in baseball for many years, though I agree I would not be pleased to receive that card for two reasons. One is simply because of the value of the card, but on that end of the equation I know that buying wax is a risky business (just bought 2 boxes of A&G and for around $85 apiece and pulled one $10 card and otherwise not a thing over $2) and Leaf BoB provides a better return on average than most wax, so can't really complain too much about that, even though it is annoying to be the one on the short end.

The complaint I can here is that there are so many nicer Griffey autographs in a similar price range. It is similar to the complaint with cut signatures. A card like this makes it feel like the company did not care all that much, since it is really not a great piece (aesthetically, grading-wise etc.) Of course this may be the exception to the rule, and it's hard to be 100% perfect in the purchasing, so I think it is important to consider it in the larger picture.

JMO.

agreed, esp the first para.

btw, its sad that pulling a griffey auto (jr, not sr) is a kick in the nut. lol. times have def changed due to flooding..

also, remember leaf best of's first year? someone i believe pulled a stephen drew bc bgs 8.5 with 9 auto or something. although resale/value wise might not be much different, looks like on the lower end hits, it got much better since inception

dave

 

[matchpenalty]

Agreed Diamond Dave.
We get the ******** here trying to run them off any chance they get. Or complain about anything possible. Always wonder why all the genius here don't start their own card companies or work for Topps. They have all the answers to make everything duckies and bunnies in the card world.

Huge props to BG for putting up with some of people here.

 

[George_Calfas]

Mike is nothing but class.

QTF; he really helped a LOT of people out until he was taken advantage.

 

[daveyou]

Agreed Diamond Dave.
We get the ******** here trying to run them off any chance they get. Or complain about anything possible. Always wonder why all the genius here don't start their own card companies or work for Topps. They have all the answers to make everything duckies and bunnies in the card world.

Huge props to BG for putting up with some of people here.

lol. indeed. i give mad props to brian too. dude has thick skin. lol. and gladly so, too.

btw brian. ichiro psa 10 lot. win it. leaf ichiro best of 2013 coming soon?

dave

 

[fitch123]

agreed, esp the first para.

btw, its sad that pulling a griffey auto (jr, not sr) is a kick in the nut. lol. times have def changed due to flooding..

also, remember leaf best of's first year? someone i believe pulled a stephen drew bc bgs 8.5 with 9 auto or something. although resale/value wise might not be much different, looks like on the lower end hits, it got much better since inception

dave

I think my concern was with the 8 autograph. If I opened a $200 box of Topps product and saw an autograph that warranted a BGS 8 auto grade, it would be going straight back to Topps for a replacement. The issue is that I open this knowing that I will most likely lose money, but will get some quality cards in the process. The Griffey auto, while still a griffey auto, is a incredibly poor example of one. I called Bryan out for allowing it to be packed out because of the grade. If he is trying to put out a product in which he purchases and repackages cards from other companies, he should certainly not be using their worst/cheapest/lowest quality cards for his product.

 

[daveyou]

QTF; he really helped a LOT of people out until he was taken advantage.

i was def one of them (although, shoot, i hope i wasnt one of them in terms of taking advantage...;( )

He had some of sick walter payton cards for his pc.

dave

 

[Jaypers]

Mike is nothing but class.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[nyc3]

Agreed Diamond Dave.
Always wonder why all the genius here don't start their own card companies or work for Topps. They have all the answers to make everything duckies and bunnies in the card world.

Huge props to BG for putting up with some of people here.

Geniuses. But dont let that get in the way of dropping your duckies and bunnies line for the 800th time.

 

[Brian12215]

Sorry fro the OT....but

Brian,
Will there be a Best of Football?

 

[cgilmo]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Why is this funny?

 

[HPC]

Why is it acceptable that we invite company reps on here to talk, but when we try to talk to them and give them opinions (good and bad) on their product, they don't come back?

If you're a rep/business owner/salesman/etc and you can't handle criticism, dont bother coming to a place where you will receive it if youre gonna act all butthurt when you get it.

I give credit to BG for sticking around here. He constantly takes a beating from members and still comes back for more. While I dont agree with some of the stuff he does, kudos for at least being here.

 

[Ty Hope]

I've enjoyed Leaf products. BOB isn't for me, but I've enjoyed watching the breaks.

 

[notjomommasclint]

Dinabbs (Mike) was from topps. let me tell you, he was an awesome member as well as being a great GREAT topps rep.

i cant blame him or others not coming back after some crap they get.

fcb lost out on a good member..

dave

I had limited interactions with mike but he helped me on several occasions and was polite, insightful, and in my opinion was a great asset to his company. If you approached and treated him as a person he returned this.

I've never had a quality issue or the balls to complain about a bad break to bg. (even after rwtail football) However his communication with customers is always doted on.

 

[Leaf]

I have your answer. I'd like others, like those who have provided me with additional information, to come out of the woodwork to challenge your answer. A telephone call doesn't lead to the community providing additional information and allows you to mislead or misdirect, or flat out feed me misinformation.

The information I have is the flat out sale of 80% of the Purple Refractor autographs to the eBayer in question for $40k. It is, admittedly, hearsay and hearsay only. I trust that your opinion is that this transaction never happened?

I will state again as you have not yet comprehended what I said:

Your information couldn't be more false on every level..

#1- I did NOT sell this or any other cards to bigboyd..

#2- approximately 60% of the cards were used in the rookie retro to my recollection..

#3- Facts are not opinions. I am stating as fact that the transaction you describes did not occur.

At this stage, I have given more than a fair amount of disclosure.

Jeff, If you are not satisfied, my suggestion would be to reevaluate your support I our brand.

I have addressed this more than adequately and there is no more to discuss.., BG

Ps- calling me would have given you the answer which you then could have shared freely. The fact that you post rumor and unsubstantiated allegations (rather than just legitimate questions) supports my belief of your
Intentions and motives

 

[Leaf]

Dinabbs (Mike) was from topps. let me tell you, he was an awesome member as well as being a great GREAT topps rep.

i cant blame him or others not coming back after some crap they get.

fcb lost out on a good member..

dave

I second this.. I had good discussions with him and it is a shame.. BG

 

[Leaf]

Sorry fro the OT....but

Brian,
Will there be a Best of Football?

Yes

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I will state again as you have not yet comprehended what I said:






Your information couldn't be more false on every level..

#1- I did NOT sell this or any other cards to bigboyd..
So you're stating that the retail customer you sent them to, "inadvertently", sold them to bigboyd?

#2- approximately 60% of the cards were used in the rookie retro to my recollection..
Someone did the math earlier, in one of the locked threads, indicating that at best, only 20% of the cards could have been packed out given the stated print run of the product vs. the amount of cards manufactured.
#3- Facts are not opinions. I am stating as fact that the transaction you describes did not occur.
I never said facts were opinions. If you say it didn't, then we'll have to believe you, right?

Because you've never said anything incorrect or false on FCB.

At this stage, I have given more than a fair amount of disclosure.

I wholeheartedly disagree as to what "fair" is, but that is most assuredly a matter of opinion.

Jeff, If you are not satisfied, my suggestion would be to reevaluate your support I our brand.


Did that.

http://www.freedomcardboard.com/forum/threads/110390-Thanks-Leaf!

I have addressed this more than adequately and there is no more to discuss.., BG

I, again, disagree, but you're going to say what you're going to say. I'm not banging the drum anymore, I'm done.

Ps- calling me would have given you the answer which you then could have shared freely. The fact that you post rumor and unsubstantiated allegations (rather than just legitimate questions) supports my belief of your
Intentions and motives

I get it. Insult the person and the speech to try to deflect. Interesting strategy Brian. Read what I wrote. I never posted rumor or unsubstantiated allegations in the two locked threads -- I was trying to ascertain how one eBayer received SO MUCH of one type of refractor of your product when he never opened any of it.



http://www.freedomcardboard.com/forum/threads/110299-Leaf-Bigboydsportscards-Purple-Refractors

This was based, in part, of a conversation with a moderator who had the EXACT SAME CONCLUSION I did.

THen, after these two posts were locked, I received additional correspondence from those who are afraid to come forward and discussed the transaction. My intents and motives were to ascertain how one person obtained so much. End of story. It is now your story that your employee shipped over a thousand cards to a retailer and that retailer "must have" sold them to another party, be it Bigboyd or another retailer, who then sold them to Bigboyd.

It's amazing how you have your finger on every aspect of this company except for this random insubordinate employee.


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ALso, you indicated you would call the retailer to find out how the cards entered the hobby as soon as you got back from the National on Monday.

How'd that go?