How good will Derrick Rose be over time?

[masonphillip]

A comment in another thread got me thinking, just how good will Derrick Rose be in the long haul?

Take the poll, let me know

 

[Wehttam6]

I meant to vote for perennial all-star but not top 50. I accidentally voted for the one under it. It was sort of between the two, but I was leaning towards the one I didn't vote for. I don't know though, Westbrook & Augustine could very well turn out to be better if given the playing time (Well, Westbrook starts now, but Augustine doesn't.). All three players are very young and very good. Then again, Rose is the "go to guy" (or maybe Ben Gordon is) or "face of the franchise." Westbrook won't be that guy with Kevin Durant in town.

 

[masonphillip]

I am big westbrook fan, partially because he can do it all, he's not just a shooter, or a defender etc., the main problem with him is...he's on the Thunder...

As far as Rose goes, I personally think he could be wonderful, athleticism, passing, driving skills and shooting that may improve over time...he's just 2 years out of h.s.!

 

[Wehttam6]

the main problem with him is...he's on the Thunder...

:lol: That is a big problem, but they are exciting to watch with him, Durant,, and Jeff Green.

 

[masonphillip]

the main problem with him is...he's on the Thunder...

:lol: That is a big problem, but they are exciting to watch with him, Durant,, and Jeff Green.

We'll see how long it is a problem I guess, lol!

 

[Pete14Rose]

Lower than average.

 

[masonphillip]

Lower than average.

Any reason why you think so?

 

[Seiya]

Voted perennial all pro but not top 50. He has amazing skills for a teenager. Should get WAY better with time as he gets a better supporting cast.

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

I want to say good but right now if I had to choose I would choose " Too early to tell ".

 

[masonphillip]

I want to say good but right now if I had to choose I would choose " Too early to tell ".

That's fair. I have followed him from the time he was a junior in high school (not all that long ago) and on every team he continually outperforms versus expectations...it is truly amazing.

 

[Huffamaniac]

If the Thunder can get a big time defensive stopper/ rebounder in the draft, they will be a very good team in a few years

the main problem with him is...he's on the Thunder...

:lol: That is a big problem, but they are exciting to watch with him, Durant,, and Jeff Green.

 

[Huffamaniac]

As it related to Rose, I feel he will be a very good player making the All star team a few times at the least

 

[masonphillip]

If the Thunder can get a big time defensive stopper/ rebounder in the draft, they will be a very good team in a few years

the main problem with him is...he's on the Thunder...

:lol: That is a big problem, but they are exciting to watch with him, Durant,, and Jeff Green.

I totally agree, it could get a lot more interesting and they could be a very exciting team to watch. A LOT of athletes on that team.

 

[KandKCards]

I'm not sure if we can anoint him top 50 of all time just yet, but he will be a stud his whole career. Not only can he do everything on the court, he can also do everything VERY well. To top it off, his size makes it very difficult for a PG to guard while his quickness makes it very difficult for an SG to guard him. I can't really think of anyone to compare him to. If he can reach his ceiling, I think he will be fantastic.
Scary, he's almost exactly my age. He was born 10/4/88, I was 10/17/88.

 

[masonphillip]

I'm not sure if we can anoint him top 50 of all time just yet, but he will be a stud his whole career. Not only can he do everything on the court, he can also do everything VERY well. To top it off, his size makes it very difficult for a PG to guard while his quickness makes it very difficult for an SG to guard him. I can't really think of anyone to compare him to. If he can reach his ceiling, I think he will be fantastic.
Scary, he's almost exactly my age. He was born 10/4/88, I was 10/17/88.

This is all about potential, so that's why Top 50 is on there.

Of the recent point guards to enter the league, two studs come to mind, Deron Williams and Chris Paul. They both have great passing ability.

Rose may have the passing ability of both, the strength of Williams, the quickness of Paul and better athelticism than either. However, both Chris and Deron are probably better outside shooters than Derrick.

 

[Huffamaniac]

There was one additional stud point guard who came out who had great size and athletic skills. His name is Shawn Livingston.

I'm not sure if we can anoint him top 50 of all time just yet, but he will be a stud his whole career. Not only can he do everything on the court, he can also do everything VERY well. To top it off, his size makes it very difficult for a PG to guard while his quickness makes it very difficult for an SG to guard him. I can't really think of anyone to compare him to. If he can reach his ceiling, I think he will be fantastic.
Scary, he's almost exactly my age. He was born 10/4/88, I was 10/17/88.

This is all about potential, so that's why Top 50 is on there.

Of the recent point guards to enter the league, two studs come to mind, Deron Williams and Chris Paul. They both have great passing ability.

Rose may have the passing ability of both, the strength of Williams, the quickness of Paul and better athelticism than either. However, both Chris and Deron are probably better outside shooters than Derrick.

 

[KandKCards]

I'm not sure if we can anoint him top 50 of all time just yet, but he will be a stud his whole career. Not only can he do everything on the court, he can also do everything VERY well. To top it off, his size makes it very difficult for a PG to guard while his quickness makes it very difficult for an SG to guard him. I can't really think of anyone to compare him to. If he can reach his ceiling, I think he will be fantastic.
Scary, he's almost exactly my age. He was born 10/4/88, I was 10/17/88.

This is all about potential, so that's why Top 50 is on there.

Of the recent point guards to enter the league, two studs come to mind, Deron Williams and Chris Paul. They both have great passing ability.

Rose may have the passing ability of both, the strength of Williams, the quickness of Paul and better athelticism than either. However, both Chris and Deron are probably better outside shooters than Derrick.

Exactly. Rose is the best of both worlds. While he isn't the All-Universe passer that CP3 is, a lot of his other tools are superior. And although his outside J isn't as good, he can still shoot the rock.
Huff- I agree. I had high hopes for Livingston. He was a victim of being able to enter the draft right out of HS. He came out with all the talent in the world but incredibly raw. Just one year playing against top NCAA competition would have done wonders for him. He would've learned how to play with other premiere players, which I think he never really got used to in the NBA. Sad what happened with his injury, because he's as talented a prospect as I've seen.

 

[masonphillip]

I'm not sure if we can anoint him top 50 of all time just yet, but he will be a stud his whole career. Not only can he do everything on the court, he can also do everything VERY well. To top it off, his size makes it very difficult for a PG to guard while his quickness makes it very difficult for an SG to guard him. I can't really think of anyone to compare him to. If he can reach his ceiling, I think he will be fantastic.
Scary, he's almost exactly my age. He was born 10/4/88, I was 10/17/88.

This is all about potential, so that's why Top 50 is on there.

Of the recent point guards to enter the league, two studs come to mind, Deron Williams and Chris Paul. They both have great passing ability.

Rose may have the passing ability of both, the strength of Williams, the quickness of Paul and better athelticism than either. However, both Chris and Deron are probably better outside shooters than Derrick.

Exactly. Rose is the best of both worlds. While he isn't the All-Universe passer that CP3 is, a lot of his other tools are superior. And although his outside J isn't as good, he can still shoot the rock.
Huff- I agree. I had high hopes for Livingston. He was a victim of being able to enter the draft right out of HS. He came out with all the talent in the world but incredibly raw. Just one year playing against top NCAA competition would have done wonders for him. He would've learned how to play with other premiere players, which I think he never really got used to in the NBA. Sad what happened with his injury, because he's as talented a prospect as I've seen.

I totally agree, Shaun needed a year to develop strength above all things which I believe played into the injury bug he's fallen prey to. He was a wonderful passer, fantastic athlete and probably a better shooter than Derrick, quickness might be a wash between the two.

I actually went to Shaun's recruiting visit when he came to the University of Illinois (my alma mater), his skills were unbelievable, I was far more impressed with him than I was with Charlie Villanueva's recruiting visit and Charlie is a freak too. At one point in time Shaun drove the baseline and threw down a two handed dunk in Roger Powell's face, which wasn't particularly easy to do. He would have benefited so much from going through a college strength and conditioning program though.

 

[KandKCards]

I'm not sure if we can anoint him top 50 of all time just yet, but he will be a stud his whole career. Not only can he do everything on the court, he can also do everything VERY well. To top it off, his size makes it very difficult for a PG to guard while his quickness makes it very difficult for an SG to guard him. I can't really think of anyone to compare him to. If he can reach his ceiling, I think he will be fantastic.
Scary, he's almost exactly my age. He was born 10/4/88, I was 10/17/88.

This is all about potential, so that's why Top 50 is on there.

Of the recent point guards to enter the league, two studs come to mind, Deron Williams and Chris Paul. They both have great passing ability.

Rose may have the passing ability of both, the strength of Williams, the quickness of Paul and better athelticism than either. However, both Chris and Deron are probably better outside shooters than Derrick.

Exactly. Rose is the best of both worlds. While he isn't the All-Universe passer that CP3 is, a lot of his other tools are superior. And although his outside J isn't as good, he can still shoot the rock.
Huff- I agree. I had high hopes for Livingston. He was a victim of being able to enter the draft right out of HS. He came out with all the talent in the world but incredibly raw. Just one year playing against top NCAA competition would have done wonders for him. He would've learned how to play with other premiere players, which I think he never really got used to in the NBA. Sad what happened with his injury, because he's as talented a prospect as I've seen.

I totally agree, Shaun needed a year to develop strength above all things which I believe played into the injury bug he's fallen prey to. He was a wonderful passer, fantastic athlete and probably a better shooter than Derrick, quickness might be a wash between the two.

I actually went to Shaun's recruiting visit when he came to the University of Illinois (my alma mater), his skills were unbelievable, I was far more impressed with him than I was with Charlie Villanueva's recruiting visit and Charlie is a freak too. At one point in time Shaun drove the baseline and threw down a two handed dunk in Roger Powell's face, which wasn't particularly easy to do. He would have benefited so much from going through a college strength and conditioning program though.

Yep, it's sad. I heard a lot of stories like that. And just think...a guy can throw down like that while running the point. Unreal.
Look for John Wall to be a lot like Livingston, but the less raw, more refined version. Still not a great outside shooter, but at 6'4 with the quickness of a guy like Johnny Flynn, Wall is going to be a big time player. He's had a weird recruitment (he will be a freshman next year), and you will hear more and more about him the longer it goes. Kansas, Memphis, Baylor and UNC, among others are possible places for him. Really looking forward to seeing what that kid can do.