How should the All-star vote be done?

[elmalo]

The main gripe from most people are the few (fan induced) snubs that inevitably happen every year. In my opinion, it is the responsibility of the manager to correct this and this year there was an atrocious oversight. Andrew McCutchen should be in the All Star game. Period. Bochy dropped the ball on this one.

Especially when he picked Carlos Beltran (WTF Bochy!?) and the Mets already had a rep (Jose Reyes). I just don't get it. ::facepalm::

And Beltran and McCutchen have similar stats, with Beltran having more RBI, so why is that so outrageous?

 

[nosterbor]

in all honesty I think the players and coaches should do the voting for phase 1. which would select a set number of players per position. then phase 2 let the fans vote on those selected players to see who becomes your starters and the rest of the team.

+1/2, no fan voting! let the players select the team.i think the players would vote Jeter to the team this year, and why not. 3000 hits,come on. and i am a Yankee hater!

 

[RL24]

A bunch of em? Like who?

Where do you live, and where do you work? I work at an insurance place in Colorado Springs. Most of the people here (at work) aren't into sports. They would tell you that the big stars in baseball right now are Troy Tulowhatshisname and is Todd Helton still playing? And that guy CarGo, although I don't know what his real name is. And Alex Rodriguez! Everyone knows that guy. Who the big stars are depends on where you live. These people don't vote on the AS Game anyway. Actual baseball fans do. They should know that a guy who is hitting .245 with next to 0 extra base hits isn't an all star. Maybe they don't.


Yeah, it's called the All Star game. That's its name. It's the game where the best players of the game play with and against each other. You don't have to be a Star to get in, you just have be having a better year than your peers. Think of the Hall of Fame. Should Charlie Sheen be in? He's probably the most famous player who ever played right now. He's a star too, should he be on the All Star team? What if he really played for Cleveland in real life this year, and he sucked balls? He would still be a star, and still be extremely famous.

It's not the Hall of Stats, but you need stats to get in. It's the Hall of Fame, but would you say that Fred Clarke is famous? The hall is more about having the BEST players in the game, but the name "Hall of the Best" is kinda lame, so they call it the hall of fame. Just like the All Star game instead of "The game where the best players of the game get together and play with and against each other."

 

[wolf324au]

The main gripe from most people are the few (fan induced) snubs that inevitably happen every year. In my opinion, it is the responsibility of the manager to correct this and this year there was an atrocious oversight. Andrew McCutchen should be in the All Star game. Period. Bochy dropped the ball on this one.

Especially when he picked Carlos Beltran (WTF Bochy!?) and the Mets already had a rep (Jose Reyes). I just don't get it. ::facepalm::

And Beltran and McCutchen have similar stats, with Beltran having more RBI, so why is that so outrageous?

Ok, we all get it that you think that the All Star game should be no more than a popularity contest. I'm not going to express my utter disgust for Derek Jeter being picked as a starter, but I will tell you why Bochy picking Beltran is "so outrageous". For me, it boils down to this, with Andrew McCutchen, the Pirates are 1 back in their division. Without Andrew McCutchen, the Pirates would be...well...the Pirates. McCutchen has stepped up and is leading a bunch of scrubs to a possible division clinching year. While their stats are very similar, (ohh and Beltran has 9 more RBI, but McCutchen has 12 more SB) Beltran is playing with stars (Reyes, Wright, Bay) and while he has been good, Reyes has carried the team thus far. Also, I am aware that Wright and Bay are having down years and Wright has only had 172 ABs, but that isn't the point. The point is that when I pick an All-Star, I'm not picking the guy who is helping the Mets struggle to keep their heads above .500, I'm picking the guy who is leading a team full of misfits to their first winning season in 19 years.

 

[thefatguy]

Combo Fan vote, player vote, & BBWA vote....if those 3 groups can't get it right, then can the game and just go Derby for home field.

 

[elmalo]

The main gripe from most people are the few (fan induced) snubs that inevitably happen every year. In my opinion, it is the responsibility of the manager to correct this and this year there was an atrocious oversight. Andrew McCutchen should be in the All Star game. Period. Bochy dropped the ball on this one.

Especially when he picked Carlos Beltran (WTF Bochy!?) and the Mets already had a rep (Jose Reyes). I just don't get it. ::facepalm::

And Beltran and McCutchen have similar stats, with Beltran having more RBI, so why is that so outrageous?

Ok, we all get it that you think that the All Star game should be no more than a popularity contest. I'm not going to express my utter disgust for Derek Jeter being picked as a starter, but I will tell you why Bochy picking Beltran is "so outrageous". For me, it boils down to this, with Andrew McCutchen, the Pirates are 1 back in their division. Without Andrew McCutchen, the Pirates would be...well...the Pirates. McCutchen has stepped up and is leading a bunch of scrubs to a possible division clinching year. While their stats are very similar, (ohh and Beltran has 9 more RBI, but McCutchen has 12 more SB) Beltran is playing with stars (Reyes, Wright, Bay) and while he has been good, Reyes has carried the team thus far. Also, I am aware that Wright and Bay are having down years and Wright has only had 172 ABs, but that isn't the point. The point is that when I pick an All-Star, I'm not picking the guy who is helping the Mets struggle to keep their heads above .500, I'm picking the guy who is leading a team full of misfits to their first winning season in 19 years.

The Pirates are winning primarily bc of their pitching. Jayson Bay has been terrible this year and David Wright hasnt played half of the season. Beltran deserves to be on it more than Chipper Jones, so maybe you should complain about Jones being picked over Mcutchen.

 

[wolf324au]

Ok, so first you say:

The way I look at it is that it is the All Star game, not the All Stats game.

Then you say:

And Beltran and McCutchen have similar stats, with Beltran having more RBI, so why is that so outrageous?

So here, while trying to validate the inclusion of Beltran, you contradict your first point.

You also go on to add:

The All Star game should reward the best seasons that year. Past years performances shouldn't play a factor

Says who? Again, it is the All STAR game. Is there a bigger star in baseball than Derek Jeter?

And then say:

Beltran deserves to be on it more than Chipper Jones, so maybe you should complain about Jones being picked over Mcutchen.

I think we can all agree that Chipper is a bigger "star" than Beltran so you contradict yourself again here. I do agree with you however and I didn't even vote for Chipper despite the fact that I'm a huge Braves fan. Chipper didn't deserve to go and neither did Jeter, no matter how illustrious their respective careers have been.

 

[chromerookies]

Jeter is hot! That is why he should be on the All Star team!!!

 

[elmalo]

Ok, so first you say:

The way I look at it is that it is the All Star game, not the All Stats game.

Then you say:

And Beltran and McCutchen have similar stats, with Beltran having more RBI, so why is that so outrageous?

So here, while trying to validate the inclusion of Beltran, you contradict your first point.

You also go on to add:

The All Star game should reward the best seasons that year. Past years performances shouldn't play a factor

Says who? Again, it is the All STAR game. Is there a bigger star in baseball than Derek Jeter?

And then say:

Beltran deserves to be on it more than Chipper Jones, so maybe you should complain about Jones being picked over Mcutchen.

I think we can all agree that Chipper is a bigger "star" than Beltran so you contradict yourself again here. I do agree with you however and I didn't even vote for Chipper despite the fact that I'm a huge Braves fan. Chipper didn't deserve to go and neither did Jeter, no matter how illustrious their respective careers have been.

I am not contradicting myself. I was pointing out that based on his argument Beltran is a more worth candidate than Chipper Jones, yet he is complaining and saying it is outragoues for Beltran to be on the team over Mcutchen.
I myself have no problem with Beltran or Jones being on there over Mcutchen.

 

[wolf324au]

I am not contradicting myself. I was pointing out that based on his argument Beltran is a more worth candidate than Chipper Jones, yet he is complaining and saying it is outragoues for Beltran to be on the team over Mcutchen.
I myself have no problem with Beltran or Jones being on there over Mcutchen.

In all fairness, he never said it was outrageous. The only thing he said was that he didn't get it. Just so I'm clear though, you said that Beltran and McCutchen had similar stats and I concurred. You went on to say that Beltran was more deserving than Jones (based on the logic of someone else) but you had no problem with Jones being on the roster rather than McCutchen. So you are fully admitting that statistically, McCutchen deserved to be on the team. Unlike yourself, I can't legitimize a deserving player getting snubbed for an aging veteran on the last lap of his career.

On a side note, how long do Jeter and Chipper get these honorary votes based on their past achievements? I mean would it be ok with you if next year Jeter or Chipper were hitting .200 and made the team? I guess I just see it as a slippery slope. I know Jeter is loving it with the half a million dollar bonus he gets from making the team.

 

[jeff550]

IMO there are 2 ways to do it

1. Have the fans pick and the game be meaningless, that way the fans see who they want, and it has no outcome on the game AKA leave the voting the same

2. Have the game mean something, and let the managers pick the best possible teams.

 

[elmalo]

Jeter is hot! That is why he should be on the All Star team!!!

+1 MILLION