How would you handle this moronic ebayer? updated 6/17

[rico08]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

An impulse buy does not exempt a buyer to toss reason out the window. I'm not saying you did, but as a savvy eBay buyer which you clearly are/try to make yourself out to be, you should take the seconds to check the shipping charges.

As far as the DSR debate here, my two centavos:
A buyer can purchase and item and agree 100% with the terms of shipping. I have won cards and factored in the $4+ S&H in my final bid, which I think is prudent. And when feedback is left, a buyer can still be unsatisfied with the S&H charges even if fully aware of them at the time of sale.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Here's a question for the OP and all those who leave low DSRs for shipping after agreeing to the terms. Did you know you were going to leave the low DSR BEFORE you bid?

 

[muskiesfan]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

I guess I am in the minority here, but I completely agree with sportscardtheory. Like I said, when I buy a card, I factor the cost of shipping into what I am willing to pay for the card. Then as long as I get the card in a reasonable time (14 days domestic), it's in good shape, and it's not in a PWE, I leave 5 stars across the board.

I am a collector and the most important thing to me is getting the cards I want/need for my collection.

 

[MojoDan]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Like I said, when I buy a card, I factor the cost of shipping into what I am willing to pay for the card. Then as long as I get the card in a reasonable time (14 days domestic), it's in good shape, and it's not in a PWE, I leave 5 stars across the board.
I am a collector and the most important thing to me is getting the cards I want/need for my collection.

Wow, verbatim!

 

[EricInCT]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

What would you rate him on his DSR if you get $13.29 worth of mailing supplies and shipping?

Thats actually kinda interesting. Does he mention if it comes in a box, with bubble wrap, peanuts etc? Anything that would make it possiblt that the supplies with the s/h could come out to 13.29?

If he overnighted the thing in an armored truck I will leave 5 stars.


I can tell you how many times I have left less than 5 stars for a PWE...........0

 

[rico08]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

I guess I am in the minority here, but I completely agree with sportscardtheory. Like I said, when I buy a card, I factor the cost of shipping into what I am willing to pay for the card. Then as long as I get the card in a reasonable time (14 days domestic), it's in good shape, and it's not in a PWE, I leave 5 stars across the board.

I am a collector and the most important thing to me is getting the cards I want/need for my collection.

The only difference in the OP's case is that he did not factor in shipping costs when placing his bid. Because your way, when factoring shipping costs, is probably what most (reasonable) buyers would do.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

I guess I am in the minority here, but I completely agree with sportscardtheory. Like I said, when I buy a card, I factor the cost of shipping into what I am willing to pay for the card. Then as long as I get the card in a reasonable time (14 days domestic), it's in good shape, and it's not in a PWE, I leave 5 stars across the board.

I am a collector and the most important thing to me is getting the cards I want/need for my collection.

So the issue in your case is that there shouldn't even be a rating for shipping charges.

 

[porkNbeans]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Can you even send anything USPS priority mail for less than $4.95? I think that is the price for the VCR tape size box (which is big enough for a BGS slab). The next size priority mail is the mid size flat box and $10.35 (why he would use this I have no idea). Add $1.65 for insurance, $.70 for delivery confirmation. That is $12.70. Add in cost of packing peanuts and tape or bubble wrap, that will get you to around $14.

 

[EricInCT]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

In my opinion, any buyer is justifiable leaving less than 5 stars for any single card purchase with a $4+ shipping charge. I ship out tons of cards and can't remember paying more than $2 to ship out anything. I always ship with delivery confirmation no matter what the price is and sometimes I feel my $2.25-2.50 could be a little bit less.

I see the less than 5 stars as a form of corrective action that the seller will re-evaluate their practices as their DSR gets hammered time and time again. Again, this is my opinion and the last time I left less than 20 stars was some time in 2008.

 

[lisu]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

First of all, I would definitely give the seller lower than 5 stars for reasonable shipping and handling charges. I don't care if you missed the obscene shipping charge, but the buyer is ALWAYS right in my book. There's no way to justify a $13 shipping charge for a BGS slab. I don't destroy DSR's, but if I pay for a card, and the card doesn't get shipped until a week after I pay, you better bet that I will dink the DSR of the shipping time. That is why that system is there.

 

[EricInCT]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Can you even send anything USPS priority mail for less than $4.95? I think that is the price for the VCR tape size box (which is big enough for a BGS slab). The next size priority mail is the mid size flat box and $10.35 (why he would use this I have no idea). Add $1.65 for insurance, $.70 for delivery confirmation. That is $12.70. Add in cost of packing peanuts and tape or bubble wrap, that will get you to around $14.

I shipped two slabs in a bubble mailer for less than $2 with delivery confirmation last week, I didn't need an armoured truck to deliver the things. It went from Conn to Cali in 3 days.

 

[porkNbeans]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Can you even send anything USPS priority mail for less than $4.95? I think that is the price for the VCR tape size box (which is big enough for a BGS slab). The next size priority mail is the mid size flat box and $10.35 (why he would use this I have no idea). Add $1.65 for insurance, $.70 for delivery confirmation. That is $12.70. Add in cost of packing peanuts and tape or bubble wrap, that will get you to around $14.

I shipped two slabs in a bubble mailer for less than $2 with delivery confirmation last week, I didn't need an armoured truck to deliver the things. It went from Conn to Cali in 3 days.

But that is not priority shipping. That is USPS first class mail. My point is, I dont think you can ship anything priority mail for less than $4.95. If the card arrived to you in the packaging I listed, would $13-14 be justified? If he used the mid size box (for some stupid reason), sent it priority, added insurance and DC, would you still destroy his DSRs?

 

[hive17]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

What would you rate him on his DSR if you get $13.29 worth of mailing supplies and shipping?

Thats actually kinda interesting. Does he mention if it comes in a box, with bubble wrap, peanuts etc? Anything that would make it possiblt that the supplies with the s/h could come out to 13.29?

If he overnighted the thing in an armored truck I will leave 5 stars.


I can tell you how many times I have left less than 5 stars for a PWE...........0

Nope, sorry, I have to disagree with you here. If the item shows up with postage near the s/h charge and one could reasonable factor in supplies, then there is nothing unreasonable about the s/h charge. Is that an insanely stupid and non-cost-effective way to ship the item? yep. But it is what was charged and then delivered.

It could maybe be argued that the s/h charges that ANYONE pays on eBay EVER are basically buying something site-unseen; but you shouldn't get to decide ahead of time that you're going to **** up his stars until you see that he has cheated you out of your fee. It's not right, and it smacks of your frustration at the situation being taken out on the seller because you can get away with it.

This is just my opinion, but I felt that when eBay instituted these stars for shipping and whatnot, that they were meant to be decided AFTER the entire transaction (bidding, buying, shipping and receiving) has been complete. You evaluate the transaction AFTER it's done and leave stars/feedback as warrented. You are not at that point (have you even received a stone-cold answer that you'll have to pay these s/h fees? you're not being clear about that); once the item gets there and you got taken for $10 b/c he shipped it for $3-something, then you can make a move. Hell, drop a neg on him at that point, I'd support that. But until you don't get what you CONTRACTUALLY AGREED TO PAY FOR, you are in no position to hurt this seller; lame as he may be.

 

[muskiesfan]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

I guess I am in the minority here, but I completely agree with sportscardtheory. Like I said, when I buy a card, I factor the cost of shipping into what I am willing to pay for the card. Then as long as I get the card in a reasonable time (14 days domestic), it's in good shape, and it's not in a PWE, I leave 5 stars across the board.

I am a collector and the most important thing to me is getting the cards I want/need for my collection.

So the issue in your case is that there shouldn't even be a rating for shipping charges.

That's not what I said at all. If I feel the shipping is grossly overpriced, I do not bid on the card. End of story. If I am not comfortable with what a seller is charging to ship to me, I move on to the next card. It really is that simple. If I bid on an item, I bid on it because I am comfortable with the terms laid out by the seller. That includes the S&H costs. So if I feel that the costs are acceptable and I am willing to pay them, why would I leave anything less than 5 stars for shipping?

Everyone has their own opinion on the matter. I simply feel that threatening to "crush his DSR" when the OP failed to pay proper attention to the listing is not the seller's fault. As long as the seller ships Priority, the item arrives in good condition, and within a reasonable amount of time, I think 5 stars across the board is deserved. The OP agreed to the terms of the listing when he bid on the card.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

I guess I am in the minority here, but I completely agree with sportscardtheory. Like I said, when I buy a card, I factor the cost of shipping into what I am willing to pay for the card. Then as long as I get the card in a reasonable time (14 days domestic), it's in good shape, and it's not in a PWE, I leave 5 stars across the board.

I am a collector and the most important thing to me is getting the cards I want/need for my collection.

So the issue in your case is that there shouldn't even be a rating for shipping charges.

That's not what I said at all. If I feel the shipping is grossly overpriced, I do not bid on the card. End of story. If I am not comfortable with what a seller is charging to ship to me, I move on to the next card. It really is that simple. If I bid on an item, I bid on it because I am comfortable with the terms laid out by the seller. That includes the S&H costs. So if I feel that the costs are acceptable and I am willing to pay them, why would I leave anything less than 5 stars for shipping?

Everyone has their own opinion on the matter. I simply feel that threatening to "crush his DSR" when the OP failed to pay proper attention to the listing is not the seller's fault. As long as the seller ships Priority, the item arrives in good condition, and within a reasonable amount of time, I think 5 stars across the board is deserved. The OP agreed to the terms of the listing when he bid on the card.

So it's either don't bid or 5 stars on shipping prices, which to me implies that you think there shouldn't be a rating system for shipping prices. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to understand a very different opinion than the one I have.

 

[EricInCT]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Can you even send anything USPS priority mail for less than $4.95? I think that is the price for the VCR tape size box (which is big enough for a BGS slab). The next size priority mail is the mid size flat box and $10.35 (why he would use this I have no idea). Add $1.65 for insurance, $.70 for delivery confirmation. That is $12.70. Add in cost of packing peanuts and tape or bubble wrap, that will get you to around $14.

I shipped two slabs in a bubble mailer for less than $2 with delivery confirmation last week, I didn't need an armoured truck to deliver the things. It went from Conn to Cali in 3 days.

But that is not priority shipping. That is USPS first class mail. My point is, I dont think you can ship anything priority mail for less than $4.95. If the card arrived to you in the packaging I listed, would $13-14 be justified? If he used the mid size box (for some stupid reason), sent it priority, added insurance and DC, would you still destroy his DSRs?

I explicitly asked him NOT to send it priority mail that I am not in any hurry to receive this......it will take 3 days to get here regardless if it is USPS or priority, priority is not guaranteed in 1 or 2 days, it will take 3 I have received items before.

So if I asked the seller "don't send it this way" and all they are doing is making ME spend more money then necessary, yes I will not give them 5 stars.

 

[ChasHawk]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

The mid-size box that you could fit about 20 BGS slabs in is $9.95.

Whether he saw the S&H price beforehand or not, doesn't matter.

The point of the DSR is whether or not the S&H you agreed to pay is reasonable,
based on what kind of packaging/postage the card arrives in.

If I pay $4.95 shipping for 1 card, and it arrives in an open toploader and
a used bubble mailer with $1.30 postage on it, I'm not leaving 5 stars.

Flame away

Can you even send anything USPS priority mail for less than $4.95? I think that is the price for the VCR tape size box (which is big enough for a BGS slab). The next size priority mail is the mid size flat box and $10.35 (why he would use this I have no idea). Add $1.65 for insurance, $.70 for delivery confirmation. That is $12.70. Add in cost of packing peanuts and tape or bubble wrap, that will get you to around $14.

I shipped two slabs in a bubble mailer for less than $2 with delivery confirmation last week, I didn't need an armoured truck to deliver the things. It went from Conn to Cali in 3 days.

But that is not priority shipping. That is USPS first class mail. My point is, I dont think you can ship anything priority mail for less than $4.95. If the card arrived to you in the packaging I listed, would $13-14 be justified? If he used the mid size box (for some stupid reason), sent it priority, added insurance and DC, would you still destroy his DSRs?

 

[hive17]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Can you even send anything USPS priority mail for less than $4.95? I think that is the price for the VCR tape size box (which is big enough for a BGS slab). The next size priority mail is the mid size flat box and $10.35 (why he would use this I have no idea). Add $1.65 for insurance, $.70 for delivery confirmation. That is $12.70. Add in cost of packing peanuts and tape or bubble wrap, that will get you to around $14.

I shipped two slabs in a bubble mailer for less than $2 with delivery confirmation last week, I didn't need an armoured truck to deliver the things. It went from Conn to Cali in 3 days.

But that is not priority shipping. That is USPS first class mail. My point is, I dont think you can ship anything priority mail for less than $4.95. If the card arrived to you in the packaging I listed, would $13-14 be justified? If he used the mid size box (for some stupid reason), sent it priority, added insurance and DC, would you still destroy his DSRs?

I explicitly asked him NOT to send it priority mail that I am not in any hurry to receive this......it will take 3 days to get here regardless if it is USPS or priority, priority is not guaranteed in 1 or 2 days, it will take 3 I have received items before.

So if I asked the seller "don't send it this way" and all they are doing is making ME spend more money then necessary, yes I will not give them 5 stars.

Then you should have broached that subject with the seller PRIOR to bidding.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

The mid-size box that you could fit about 20 BGS slabs in is $9.95.

Whether he saw the S&H price beforehand or not, doesn't matter.

The point of the DSR is whether or not the S&H you agreed to pay is reasonable,
based on what kind of packaging/postage the card arrives in.

If I pay $4.95 shipping for 1 card, and it arrives in an open toploader and
a used bubble mailer with $1.30 postage on it, I'm not leaving 5 stars.

Flame away

Can you even send anything USPS priority mail for less than $4.95? I think that is the price for the VCR tape size box (which is big enough for a BGS slab). The next size priority mail is the mid size flat box and $10.35 (why he would use this I have no idea). Add $1.65 for insurance, $.70 for delivery confirmation. That is $12.70. Add in cost of packing peanuts and tape or bubble wrap, that will get you to around $14.

I shipped two slabs in a bubble mailer for less than $2 with delivery confirmation last week, I didn't need an armoured truck to deliver the things. It went from Conn to Cali in 3 days.

But that is not priority shipping. That is USPS first class mail. My point is, I dont think you can ship anything priority mail for less than $4.95. If the card arrived to you in the packaging I listed, would $13-14 be justified? If he used the mid size box (for some stupid reason), sent it priority, added insurance and DC, would you still destroy his DSRs?

How dare you expect 5 star service for a 5 star rating?!?!?! :lol:

 

[EricInCT]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

What would you rate him on his DSR if you get $13.29 worth of mailing supplies and shipping?

Thats actually kinda interesting. Does he mention if it comes in a box, with bubble wrap, peanuts etc? Anything that would make it possiblt that the supplies with the s/h could come out to 13.29?

If he overnighted the thing in an armored truck I will leave 5 stars.


I can tell you how many times I have left less than 5 stars for a PWE...........0

Nope, sorry, I have to disagree with you here. If the item shows up with postage near the s/h charge and one could reasonable factor in supplies, then there is nothing unreasonable about the s/h charge. Is that an insanely stupid and non-cost-effective way to ship the item? yep. But it is what was charged and then delivered.

It could maybe be argued that the s/h charges that ANYONE pays on eBay EVER are basically buying something site-unseen; but you shouldn't get to decide ahead of time that you're going to frack up his stars until you see that he has cheated you out of your fee. It's not right, and it smacks of your frustration at the situation being taken out on the seller because you can get away with it.

This is just my opinion, but I felt that when eBay instituted these stars for shipping and whatnot, that they were meant to be decided AFTER the entire transaction (bidding, buying, shipping and receiving) has been complete. You evaluate the transaction AFTER it's done and leave stars/feedback as warrented. You are not at that point (have you even received a stone-cold answer that you'll have to pay these s/h fees? you're not being clear about that); once the item gets there and you got taken for $10 b/c he shipped it for $3-something, then you can make a move. Hell, drop a neg on him at that point, I'd support that. But until you don't get what you CONTRACTUALLY AGREED TO PAY FOR, you are in no position to hurt this seller; lame as he may be.

I would be doing the seller a favor giving them 1 star if they paid $10 for shipping it to me. Then they will re-evaluate their shipping practices and say "what am I doing wrong?" and re-allign with the rest of the world, or they will go out of business, it is as simple as that.

If you don't believe me start charging $13 for delivery, deliver the thing overnight for $20 with $10 with of packing supplies and see how many people leave you 5 stars.


The word you are forgetting is "R E A S O N A B L E " ~ Did the seller make you spend $10 unnecessarily....yes....is that 'reasonable'.....nope.