How would you handle this moronic ebayer? updated 6/17

[HPC]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

The mid-size box that you could fit about 20 BGS slabs in is $9.95.


The point of the DSR is whether or not the S&H you agreed to pay is reasonable,
based on what kind of packaging/postage the card arrives in.

Can you even send anything USPS priority mail for less than $4.95? I think that is the price for the VCR tape size box (which is big enough for a BGS slab). The next size priority mail is the mid size flat box and $10.35 (why he would use this I have no idea). Add $1.65 for insurance, $.70 for delivery confirmation. That is $12.70. Add in cost of packing peanuts and tape or bubble wrap, that will get you to around $14.

I shipped two slabs in a bubble mailer for less than $2 with delivery confirmation last week, I didn't need an armoured truck to deliver the things. It went from Conn to Cali in 3 days.

But that is not priority shipping. That is USPS first class mail. My point is, I dont think you can ship anything priority mail for less than $4.95. If the card arrived to you in the packaging I listed, would $13-14 be justified? If he used the mid size box (for some stupid reason), sent it priority, added insurance and DC, would you still destroy his DSRs?

The hi-lighted part is the most important

"the shipping and handling YOU AGREED TO PAY"

...if you dont want to pay it, dont buy it, it's simple.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

The mid-size box that you could fit about 20 BGS slabs in is $9.95.


The point of the DSR is whether or not the S&H you agreed to pay is reasonable,
based on what kind of packaging/postage the card arrives in.

Can you even send anything USPS priority mail for less than $4.95? I think that is the price for the VCR tape size box (which is big enough for a BGS slab). The next size priority mail is the mid size flat box and $10.35 (why he would use this I have no idea). Add $1.65 for insurance, $.70 for delivery confirmation. That is $12.70. Add in cost of packing peanuts and tape or bubble wrap, that will get you to around $14.

I shipped two slabs in a bubble mailer for less than $2 with delivery confirmation last week, I didn't need an armoured truck to deliver the things. It went from Conn to Cali in 3 days.

But that is not priority shipping. That is USPS first class mail. My point is, I dont think you can ship anything priority mail for less than $4.95. If the card arrived to you in the packaging I listed, would $13-14 be justified? If he used the mid size box (for some stupid reason), sent it priority, added insurance and DC, would you still destroy his DSRs?

The hi-lighted part is the most important

"the shipping and handling YOU AGREED TO PAY"

...if you dont want to pay it, dont buy it, it's simple.

The DSR is not:
"Did you agree to pay the shipping fees listed:
5 star - Agree very much
4 star - Agree strongly
3 star - Agree
2 star - Agree somewhat
1 star - Agree very little"

It's how reasonable are the fees. This is what people are missing. You want a good rating, give good service.

 

[muskiesfan]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Tomlinson- That's how I use eBay. That's only my opinion though. I look at it like this, the majority of sellers are people trying to make a living or collectors trying to make money to buy cards for their collection. So if the shipping is too high, rather than purchase the item and ding their DSR, I just move on to a card that has a better shipping cost. Dinging people's DSR could potentially prevent them from being able to save money when listing. As long as the transaction meets the criteria that I go by, I see no reason to leave anything less than 20 stars.

I'm not saying everyone should do it like that, I just think when buying, it is the buyer's responsibility to check the terms of sale that are laid out by the seller. The easiest way to combat grossly overpriced shipping is for people not to bid on those auctions, ever.

Now, I leave less than 5 stars when I receive a damaged card, I receive in a PWE, or a card I purchased domestically is not received within a 2 week time period (unless the seller stated otherwise or has contacted me and explained the delay). So I do use the star system. I just don't ding DSRs if I agree to overpay on shipping.

 

[hive17]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

What would you rate him on his DSR if you get $13.29 worth of mailing supplies and shipping?

Thats actually kinda interesting. Does he mention if it comes in a box, with bubble wrap, peanuts etc? Anything that would make it possiblt that the supplies with the s/h could come out to 13.29?

If he overnighted the thing in an armored truck I will leave 5 stars.


I can tell you how many times I have left less than 5 stars for a PWE...........0

Nope, sorry, I have to disagree with you here. If the item shows up with postage near the s/h charge and one could reasonable factor in supplies, then there is nothing unreasonable about the s/h charge. Is that an insanely stupid and non-cost-effective way to ship the item? yep. But it is what was charged and then delivered.

It could maybe be argued that the s/h charges that ANYONE pays on eBay EVER are basically buying something site-unseen; but you shouldn't get to decide ahead of time that you're going to frack up his stars until you see that he has cheated you out of your fee. It's not right, and it smacks of your frustration at the situation being taken out on the seller because you can get away with it.

This is just my opinion, but I felt that when eBay instituted these stars for shipping and whatnot, that they were meant to be decided AFTER the entire transaction (bidding, buying, shipping and receiving) has been complete. You evaluate the transaction AFTER it's done and leave stars/feedback as warrented. You are not at that point (have you even received a stone-cold answer that you'll have to pay these s/h fees? you're not being clear about that); once the item gets there and you got taken for $10 b/c he shipped it for $3-something, then you can make a move. Hell, drop a neg on him at that point, I'd support that. But until you don't get what you CONTRACTUALLY AGREED TO PAY FOR, you are in no position to hurt this seller; lame as he may be.

I would be doing the seller a favor giving them 1 star if they paid $10 for shipping it to me. Then they will re-evaluate their shipping practices and say "what am I doing wrong?" and re-allign with the rest of the world, or they will go out of business, it is as simple as that.

If you don't believe me start charging $13 for delivery, deliver the thing overnight for $20 with $10 with of packing supplies and see how many people leave you 5 stars.


The word you are forgetting is "R E A S O N A B L E " ~ Did the seller make you spend $10 unnecessarily....yes....is that 'reasonable'.....nope.

No, the favor you did him was contacting him and asking about the situation.

And I don't disagree with you that if I charged $15 for s/h, paid that much to ship an item, that people would **** up my ratings. But all that proves is that the vast majority of "people" on eBay are as wrong as you are in this situation. It's simple: price up front, price agreed upon, service delivered, you pay.

Let me give you a different example: I ask you for a bid to shingle my house. You give me a bid that includes supplies and time/labor. I accept, even though it's a little high b/c I want YOU to do it for some reason. Then you show up with a hammer and nails instead of a nailgun. Your bid price on "time" is high b/c you're roofing wrong IMO. I tell you that you should have a nail gun and I want you to knock a days worth of labor off the agreed-upon price. See how far an arguement like that gets you off of eBay.

 

[HPC]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

The mid-size box that you could fit about 20 BGS slabs in is $9.95.


The point of the DSR is whether or not the S&H you agreed to pay is reasonable,
based on what kind of packaging/postage the card arrives in.

[quote="porkNbeans":i70fgrc9]Can you even send anything USPS priority mail for less than $4.95? I think that is the price for the VCR tape size box (which is big enough for a BGS slab). The next size priority mail is the mid size flat box and $10.35 (why he would use this I have no idea). Add $1.65 for insurance, $.70 for delivery confirmation. That is $12.70. Add in cost of packing peanuts and tape or bubble wrap, that will get you to around $14.

I shipped two slabs in a bubble mailer for less than $2 with delivery confirmation last week, I didn't need an armoured truck to deliver the things. It went from Conn to Cali in 3 days.

But that is not priority shipping. That is USPS first class mail. My point is, I dont think you can ship anything priority mail for less than $4.95. If the card arrived to you in the packaging I listed, would $13-14 be justified? If he used the mid size box (for some stupid reason), sent it priority, added insurance and DC, would you still destroy his DSRs?

The hi-lighted part is the most important

"the shipping and handling YOU AGREED TO PAY"

...if you dont want to pay it, dont buy it, it's simple.

The DSR is not:
"Did you agree to pay the shipping fees listed:
5 star - Agree very much
4 star - Agree strongly
3 star - Agree
2 star - Agree somewhat
1 star - Agree very little"

It's how reasonable are the fees. This is what people are missing. You want a good rating, give good service.[/quote:i70fgrc9]

I understand that, however

A) he doesnt even have the card yet, so he doesnt know how reasonable the service was. For all we know (unless I missed it somewhere) the seller could be using UPS or FedEX. But even then, it wouldnt satisfy, as it would need to be delivered in an armored truck driven by Jimmy Hoffa.

B) he has said he does not want to pay the 13 bucks to have it shipped, and is trying to make the seller lower the price.

 

[JVC]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

I find it funny how there's a 5 page thread about a hypothetical situation since the seller hasn't yet responded to the buyer's request to lower or explain the shipping charge.

 

[MojoDan]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

I find it funny how there's a 5 page thread about a hypothetical situation since the seller hasn't yet responded to the buyer's request to lower or explain the shipping charge.

Maybe a poll with 4-5 options is the way to go here? Simple 1 click answers...

 

[nyc3]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

This auction didnt happen to have ended yesterday did it? If so you really jumped the gun with this topic.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Here's a question for the OP and all those who leave low DSRs for shipping after agreeing to the terms. Did you know you were going to leave the low DSR BEFORE you bid?

Can anyone answer this, or what?

 

[EricInCT]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Here's a question for the OP and all those who leave low DSRs for shipping after agreeing to the terms. Did you know you were going to leave the low DSR BEFORE you bid?

Can anyone answer this, or what?

So I received an answer from the seller "deal with it, that's the price".

He has some stellar feedback in his future

 

[Kutzy]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Here's a question for the OP and all those who leave low DSRs for shipping after agreeing to the terms. Did you know you were going to leave the low DSR BEFORE you bid?

Can anyone answer this, or what?

So I received an answer from the seller "deal with it, that's the price".

He has some stellar feedback in his future

Just turn it in to ebay for avoiding ebay fees.

 

[hive17]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Here's a question for the OP and all those who leave low DSRs for shipping after agreeing to the terms. Did you know you were going to leave the low DSR BEFORE you bid?

Can anyone answer this, or what?

I can't imagine anyone would do that. And if they did and admitted to it, they would get flamed off this board.

I submit that ANYONE in the situation that the OP is in is only there b/c they were too quick witha BIN or didn't read the terms of the auction before bidding. What you're asking sort of implies that they read the auction, made the decision you're asking about, then bid. I'd be surprised if the two instances weren't mutually exclusive regrading any normal person on eBay.

 

[ChasHawk]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

That being the case, if you don't get $13 worth of packing/postage, you are well within your rights to ding the DSR. If the opposite is true, then you are obliged to leave 5 stars. As for communication, that's a different story.

 

[hive17]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Here's a question for the OP and all those who leave low DSRs for shipping after agreeing to the terms. Did you know you were going to leave the low DSR BEFORE you bid?

Can anyone answer this, or what?

So I received an answer from the seller "deal with it, that's the price".

He has some stellar feedback in his future

Just turn it in to ebay for avoiding ebay fees.

Agreed, but only AFTER you don't see $13 worth of postage and shipping supplies.

 

[nyc3]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Here's a question for the OP and all those who leave low DSRs for shipping after agreeing to the terms. Did you know you were going to leave the low DSR BEFORE you bid?

Can anyone answer this, or what?

So I received an answer from the seller "deal with it, that's the price".

He has some stellar feedback in his future

well with that response you are really left no choice. Got to love the nerve of some people.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Here's a question for the OP and all those who leave low DSRs for shipping after agreeing to the terms. Did you know you were going to leave the low DSR BEFORE you bid?

Can anyone answer this, or what?

So I received an answer from the seller "deal with it, that's the price".

He has some stellar feedback in his future

Well, it seems he is deserving of a low DSR because his customer service is terrible. You still didn't answer the question.

 

[Musial Collector]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

**** am I glad I stayed out of this one. :lol:

 

[muskiesfan]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

The point that everyone is missing is that the seller could use $15 worth of shipping supplies and the OP is still going to ding his DSR.

From the beginning of the thread he has said he was going to do it, even before he heard back from the seller. The OP should have read the auction and contacted the seller with any questions he had prior to bidding on and winning the auction. Instead, no matter what he does (short of an armored truck, give me a damn break), the OP is going to ding his DSR.

I fail to see how so many people are siding with the OP on this when he is 100% in the wrong. Thankfully, I hardly sell on eBay.

 

[tide12champrings]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

Jesus Rocks!

 

[HPC]

Re: How would you handle this moronic ebayer?

The point that everyone is missing is that the seller could use $15 worth of shipping supplies and the OP is still going to ding his DSR.

From the beginning of the thread he has said he was going to do it, even before he heard back from the seller. The OP should have read the auction and contacted the seller with any questions he had prior to bidding on and winning the auction. Instead, no matter what he does (short of an armored truck, give me a damn break), the OP is going to ding his DSR.

I fail to see how so many people are siding with the OP on this when he is 100% in the wrong. Thankfully, I hardly sell on eBay.

No, I agree and see your point.

He's uses eBays new feedback system to his advantage because he likes to "crush DSRs"