I assume this kid will be #1 pick in 2010 or 2011??

[beefycheddar]

[quote="beefycheddar":2sxns17i]The ceiling on this card entirely depends on how many sets UD puts him in by the end of the year. If he goes in every set like Strasburg was then it will go down like Strasburg's timelines.

I would have to disagree with this. Harper, unlike Strasburg, will not be drafted for another two years and so unless he makes the 2009 USA team as well, these cards will be it for him until 2011 arrives. In addition, Harper has but 3 different cards in this product, whereas Strasburg is all over it. And even if Harper does make the 09 USA team, remember that the 08 USA product's print run is only 1/3rd that of previous years, and I have it on good word that UD won't be replicating this format in next year's USA boxed sets, due to the lack of enthusiasm for the higher SRP.

Yeah they are changing it, but what happens if he makes it and they know he was the biggest card in this set so they go crazy with him in actual packed out products? He comes out with an on card or something like the Ultimate's in the next few years and I think the sticker autograph will not be as chased. This set is considered a 2009 release correct? There is a lot of time in the year to get him in another set for UD. If they are smart and want a card that will really be chased, they would put him in as much as they can.

No actually, this was considered a 2008 product.

Then what is the set that was already 2008 considered?

2007.

See, many people liked to call it 2008 because that's the year it came out, but it was clearly labeled as 2007.[/quote:2sxns17i]

But what about the cards that came out before them in 2008 Upper Deck Series II? Those are a year later release but came out first from the same company? The whole year of release things from companies needs to be changed. I understand if this is the 08 Team, but it should be an 09 Release.

 

[J.O.]

he is abnormally big, strong, and old looking for a 16-year-old

 

[beefycheddar]

he is abnormally big, strong, and old looking for a 16-year-old

It happens, Lebron was as mature body wise as Jordan, at the end of his career, in HS.

 

[All The Hype]

he is abnormally big, strong, and old looking for a 16-year-old

It happens, Lebron was as mature body wise as Jordan, at the end of his career, in HS.

Yeah not too uncommon. I personally was 6'5" back when I was a sophomore in high school (Now 6'6" and done growing)

 

[Brett Keith]

The ceiling on this card entirely depends on how many sets UD puts him in by the end of the year. If he goes in every set like Strasburg was then it will go down like Strasburg's timelines.

Traditionally Upper Deck has not put the 16U players in packed out products, and this past year would have been a good year to do it if they can, as they recognized Harper was special by taking him off of a multiplayer card and gave him his own card in the set. So assuming UD sticks to this, the earliest Harper could have another card would be the next box set, because Harper is 16 until the end of the year, so he isn't eligible for the 18U team playing this summer. That's assuming he does decide to play again this year, which isn't a given. So then 2010 would be when he'd be eligible for the 18U team, and if he plays will most likely be in most, if not all, of the products featuring Team USA. This would also be the year he'd be eligible for selection the Aflac game, which ofcourse means, Aflac cards! So at worst he'll have some cards in the next box set coming out early next year, then an Aflac card, then appearances in late season UD products, the next box set, then cards whenever he signs late in 2011. So there should be atleast one year between appearances for Harper, as much as a year and half+ if he doesn't play for the 16U team this summer.

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

The ceiling on this card entirely depends on how many sets UD puts him in by the end of the year. If he goes in every set like Strasburg was then it will go down like Strasburg's timelines.

I would have to disagree with this. Harper, unlike Strasburg, will not be drafted for another two years and so unless he makes the 2009 USA team as well, these cards will be it for him until 2011 arrives. In addition, Harper has but 3 different cards in this product, whereas Strasburg is all over it. And even if Harper does make the 09 USA team, remember that the 08 USA product's print run is only 1/3rd that of previous years, and I have it on good word that UD won't be replicating this format in next year's USA boxed sets, due to the lack of enthusiasm for the higher SRP.

Yeah they are changing it, but what happens if he makes it and they know he was the biggest card in this set so they go crazy with him in actual packed out products? He comes out with an on card or something like the Ultimate's in the next few years and I think the sticker autograph will not be as chased. This set is considered a 2009 release correct? There is a lot of time in the year to get him in another set for UD. If they are smart and want a card that will really be chased, they would put him in as much as they can.

I'm fully agreeing with you on this which is why I've stayed away from the Bryce cards thus far (sure you can make a flip before the next product's are produced, but there will be a decrease in the SV's on this card once the "flood" of Bryce auto's start).

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

The ceiling on this card entirely depends on how many sets UD puts him in by the end of the year. If he goes in every set like Strasburg was then it will go down like Strasburg's timelines.

I would have to disagree with this. Harper, unlike Strasburg, will not be drafted for another two years and so unless he makes the 2009 USA team as well, these cards will be it for him until 2011 arrives. In addition, Harper has but 3 different cards in this product, whereas Strasburg is all over it. And even if Harper does make the 09 USA team, remember that the 08 USA product's print run is only 1/3rd that of previous years, and I have it on good word that UD won't be replicating this format in next year's USA boxed sets, due to the lack of enthusiasm for the higher SRP.

Yeah they are changing it, but what happens if he makes it and they know he was the biggest card in this set so they go crazy with him in actual packed out products? He comes out with an on card or something like the Ultimate's in the next few years and I think the sticker autograph will not be as chased. This set is considered a 2009 release correct? There is a lot of time in the year to get him in another set for UD. If they are smart and want a card that will really be chased, they would put him in as much as they can.

No actually, this was considered a 2008 product.

I've never heard of this being "considered" an 08 product. The USA set that came before this one (w/Hosmer, Smoak, Alvarez, etc) do have 2007 on the back of "On-Card" Auto's because that is when they were produced- because they had to be made earlier to allow the time needed to send out & get signed on-card (the On-card's are listed on the back as 07 but the other card's & "trapped" auto's in the set have 2008 on the back). Therefore making these set's 2008. I would love it if these were "considered" by the hobby & Beckett as 2007, but I know the hobby has them as 2008 (not sure about what Beckett has them listed as, I don't have a subscription & haven't carded to look at the nearest Wal-Mart). So, the B.Harper is then a 2009 as that is in the following year's set. Just my take on things given what I've observed from my dealing's in 2008's USA card's.

 

[card-treasury]

That kid swings like a machine.

Power like Jason Stokes had.

 

[Jaypers]

Power like Jason Stokes had.

Please don't jinx him already.

 

[aw00d05]

The ceiling on this card entirely depends on how many sets UD puts him in by the end of the year. If he goes in every set like Strasburg was then it will go down like Strasburg's timelines.

Traditionally Upper Deck has not put the 16U players in packed out products, and this past year would have been a good year to do it if they can, as they recognized Harper was special by taking him off of a multiplayer card and gave him his own card in the set. So assuming UD sticks to this, the earliest Harper could have another card would be the next box set, because Harper is 16 until the end of the year, so he isn't eligible for the 18U team playing this summer. That's assuming he does decide to play again this year, which isn't a given. So then 2010 would be when he'd be eligible for the 18U team, and if he plays will most likely be in most, if not all, of the products featuring Team USA. This would also be the year he'd be eligible for selection the Aflac game, which ofcourse means, Aflac cards! So at worst he'll have some cards in the next box set coming out early next year, then an Aflac card, then appearances in late season UD products, the next box set, then cards whenever he signs late in 2011. So there should be atleast one year between appearances for Harper, as much as a year and half+ if he doesn't play for the 16U team this summer.

He can play 18U next year, Matt Purke played on it his Junior year and so did Mychal Givens.

 

[Jose Reyes Collector]

I just played against him and his team in a scrimmage last weekend. They didn't have him catching. He played 3B for the first 5 innings and then RF for the next 4. From what I've been hearing they are putting him out in the field more and don't have him catching as much. He didn't have a great day at the plate against us, but he put a bunch of great swings on the ball. He did end up hitting a frozen rope triple in the right-center gap, though.

 

[aw00d05]

I just played against him and his team in a scrimmage last weekend. They didn't have him catching. He played 3B for the first 5 innings and then RF for the next 4. From what I've been hearing they are putting him out in the field more and don't have him catching as much. He didn't have a great day at the plate against us, but he put a bunch of great swings on the ball. He did end up hitting a frozen rope triple in the right-center gap, though.

His swing looks so smooth, looks alot like Josh Hamilton to me.

 

[Jose Reyes Collector]

Yeah he doesn't get cheated at the plate. He takes his hacks and swings hard but it's smooth.

 

[Brett Keith]

The ceiling on this card entirely depends on how many sets UD puts him in by the end of the year. If he goes in every set like Strasburg was then it will go down like Strasburg's timelines.

Traditionally Upper Deck has not put the 16U players in packed out products, and this past year would have been a good year to do it if they can, as they recognized Harper was special by taking him off of a multiplayer card and gave him his own card in the set. So assuming UD sticks to this, the earliest Harper could have another card would be the next box set, because Harper is 16 until the end of the year, so he isn't eligible for the 18U team playing this summer. That's assuming he does decide to play again this year, which isn't a given. So then 2010 would be when he'd be eligible for the 18U team, and if he plays will most likely be in most, if not all, of the products featuring Team USA. This would also be the year he'd be eligible for selection the Aflac game, which ofcourse means, Aflac cards! So at worst he'll have some cards in the next box set coming out early next year, then an Aflac card, then appearances in late season UD products, the next box set, then cards whenever he signs late in 2011. So there should be atleast one year between appearances for Harper, as much as a year and half+ if he doesn't play for the 16U team this summer.

He can play 18U next year, Matt Purke played on it his Junior year and so did Mychal Givens.

I know, that's what I said. He can play in 2010.

 

[aw00d05]

[quote="Brett Keith":3slxhorx]

The ceiling on this card entirely depends on how many sets UD puts him in by the end of the year. If he goes in every set like Strasburg was then it will go down like Strasburg's timelines.

Traditionally Upper Deck has not put the 16U players in packed out products, and this past year would have been a good year to do it if they can, as they recognized Harper was special by taking him off of a multiplayer card and gave him his own card in the set. So assuming UD sticks to this, the earliest Harper could have another card would be the next box set, because Harper is 16 until the end of the year, so he isn't eligible for the 18U team playing this summer. That's assuming he does decide to play again this year, which isn't a given. So then 2010 would be when he'd be eligible for the 18U team, and if he plays will most likely be in most, if not all, of the products featuring Team USA. This would also be the year he'd be eligible for selection the Aflac game, which ofcourse means, Aflac cards! So at worst he'll have some cards in the next box set coming out early next year, then an Aflac card, then appearances in late season UD products, the next box set, then cards whenever he signs late in 2011. So there should be atleast one year between appearances for Harper, as much as a year and half+ if he doesn't play for the 16U team this summer.

He can play 18U next year, Matt Purke played on it his Junior year and so did Mychal Givens.

What's your point? He's a sophmore and not 17 until after the 18U team is selected and done playing.[/quote:3slxhorx]
It doesn't matter how old you are to get on the 18U, as long as you're good enough, and alot of people think he's the best HS hitter in the country 2009-2011.

 

[whityscards]

damn that kid can swing the bat, 502 feet in Tropicana Field? Insane! Also has a gun for an arm....to bad we have to wait couple more years till this kid gets drafted.

 

[Brett Keith]

[quote="Brett Keith":kfq2rx47]

The ceiling on this card entirely depends on how many sets UD puts him in by the end of the year. If he goes in every set like Strasburg was then it will go down like Strasburg's timelines.

Traditionally Upper Deck has not put the 16U players in packed out products, and this past year would have been a good year to do it if they can, as they recognized Harper was special by taking him off of a multiplayer card and gave him his own card in the set. So assuming UD sticks to this, the earliest Harper could have another card would be the next box set, because Harper is 16 until the end of the year, so he isn't eligible for the 18U team playing this summer. That's assuming he does decide to play again this year, which isn't a given. So then 2010 would be when he'd be eligible for the 18U team, and if he plays will most likely be in most, if not all, of the products featuring Team USA. This would also be the year he'd be eligible for selection the Aflac game, which ofcourse means, Aflac cards! So at worst he'll have some cards in the next box set coming out early next year, then an Aflac card, then appearances in late season UD products, the next box set, then cards whenever he signs late in 2011. So there should be atleast one year between appearances for Harper, as much as a year and half+ if he doesn't play for the 16U team this summer.

He can play 18U next year, Matt Purke played on it his Junior year and so did Mychal Givens.

What's your point? He's a sophmore and not 17 until after the 18U team is selected and done playing.

It doesn't matter how old you are to get on the 18U, as long as you're good enough, and alot of people think he's the best HS hitter in the country 2009-2011.[/quote:kfq2rx47]

Upon further investigation, it seems we're both wrong. I'm wrong about him being ineligible, you're wrong about the qualifications to make the team.

Q: How are players selected for the USA Baseball 18U National Team?

18U National Team: 1991 & 1992 Birthdates
Selection Vehicle (location): NTIS (Cary, N.C.) & Tournament of Stars (Cary, N.C.)
Dates: June 22-29, 2009
Contact E-mail (to nominate a player): Rick Riccobono

In order to try out for the 18U National Team, players must be nominated, selected and then compete in USA Baseball's annual Tournament of Stars (TOS) presented by Major League Baseball. The TOS is comprised of 144 players representing eight organizations (AABC, American Legion, Babe Ruth, Dixie, NABF, PONY, RBI and USA Baseball). Each participating organization, along with Ray Darwin, 18U National Team Director, hand-picks the players who will represent their respective organization in the TOS. Players are selected primarily on the recommendations of pro scouts, high school coaches and college recruiters.

During this week-long event, USA Baseball's Task Force (scouts) continuously evaluate each one of the 144 players and at week's end will select the best 34 players to attend the 18U National Team Trials. At the 18U Trials, those 34 players will participate in practices and intrasquad "Red vs. Blue" games to compete for one of the 18 roster spots on the final 18U National Team. In 2009, the 18U National Team will compete in COPABE's Pan Am "AAA" Junior Championships (site and dates TBD).

Harper was born in late 1992 I believe. So unless there is a cutoff they don't mention, he will be eligible. Still not a given he'll play though, as sometimes players choose not to play multiple years.

 

[NECpilgrims8]

That kid swings like a machine.

Power like Jason Stokes had.

Thanks for the laugh! HAHA, awesomeness.

Oh, and thanks for the add.

 

[aw00d05]

[quote="Brett Keith":20zntbow]

[quote="Brett Keith":20zntbow]

The ceiling on this card entirely depends on how many sets UD puts him in by the end of the year. If he goes in every set like Strasburg was then it will go down like Strasburg's timelines.

Traditionally Upper Deck has not put the 16U players in packed out products, and this past year would have been a good year to do it if they can, as they recognized Harper was special by taking him off of a multiplayer card and gave him his own card in the set. So assuming UD sticks to this, the earliest Harper could have another card would be the next box set, because Harper is 16 until the end of the year, so he isn't eligible for the 18U team playing this summer. That's assuming he does decide to play again this year, which isn't a given. So then 2010 would be when he'd be eligible for the 18U team, and if he plays will most likely be in most, if not all, of the products featuring Team USA. This would also be the year he'd be eligible for selection the Aflac game, which ofcourse means, Aflac cards! So at worst he'll have some cards in the next box set coming out early next year, then an Aflac card, then appearances in late season UD products, the next box set, then cards whenever he signs late in 2011. So there should be atleast one year between appearances for Harper, as much as a year and half+ if he doesn't play for the 16U team this summer.

He can play 18U next year, Matt Purke played on it his Junior year and so did Mychal Givens.

What's your point? He's a sophmore and not 17 until after the 18U team is selected and done playing.

It doesn't matter how old you are to get on the 18U, as long as you're good enough, and alot of people think he's the best HS hitter in the country 2009-2011.[/quote:20zntbow]

Upon further investigation, it seems we're both wrong. I'm wrong about him being ineligible, you're wrong about the qualifications to make the team.

Q: How are players selected for the USA Baseball 18U National Team?

18U National Team: 1991 & 1992 Birthdates
Selection Vehicle (location): NTIS (Cary, N.C.) & Tournament of Stars (Cary, N.C.)
Dates: June 22-29, 2009
Contact E-mail (to nominate a player): Rick Riccobono

In order to try out for the 18U National Team, players must be nominated, selected and then compete in USA Baseball's annual Tournament of Stars (TOS) presented by Major League Baseball. The TOS is comprised of 144 players representing eight organizations (AABC, American Legion, Babe Ruth, Dixie, NABF, PONY, RBI and USA Baseball). Each participating organization, along with Ray Darwin, 18U National Team Director, hand-picks the players who will represent their respective organization in the TOS. Players are selected primarily on the recommendations of pro scouts, high school coaches and college recruiters.

During this week-long event, USA Baseball's Task Force (scouts) continuously evaluate each one of the 144 players and at week's end will select the best 34 players to attend the 18U National Team Trials. At the 18U Trials, those 34 players will participate in practices and intrasquad "Red vs. Blue" games to compete for one of the 18 roster spots on the final 18U National Team. In 2009, the 18U National Team will compete in COPABE's Pan Am "AAA" Junior Championships (site and dates TBD).

Harper was born in late 1992 I believe. So unless there is a cutoff they don't mention, he will be eligible. Still not a given he'll play though, as sometimes players choose not to play multiple years.[/quote:20zntbow]
Yeah alot of kids only do 1 year (Mychal Givens) and decide to stick with select even though USA will help them more towards being a better pro.

 

[Brett Keith]

[quote="Brett Keith":28finsjs]

[quote="Brett Keith":28finsjs]

The ceiling on this card entirely depends on how many sets UD puts him in by the end of the year. If he goes in every set like Strasburg was then it will go down like Strasburg's timelines.

Traditionally Upper Deck has not put the 16U players in packed out products, and this past year would have been a good year to do it if they can, as they recognized Harper was special by taking him off of a multiplayer card and gave him his own card in the set. So assuming UD sticks to this, the earliest Harper could have another card would be the next box set, because Harper is 16 until the end of the year, so he isn't eligible for the 18U team playing this summer. That's assuming he does decide to play again this year, which isn't a given. So then 2010 would be when he'd be eligible for the 18U team, and if he plays will most likely be in most, if not all, of the products featuring Team USA. This would also be the year he'd be eligible for selection the Aflac game, which ofcourse means, Aflac cards! So at worst he'll have some cards in the next box set coming out early next year, then an Aflac card, then appearances in late season UD products, the next box set, then cards whenever he signs late in 2011. So there should be atleast one year between appearances for Harper, as much as a year and half+ if he doesn't play for the 16U team this summer.

He can play 18U next year, Matt Purke played on it his Junior year and so did Mychal Givens.

What's your point? He's a sophmore and not 17 until after the 18U team is selected and done playing.

It doesn't matter how old you are to get on the 18U, as long as you're good enough, and alot of people think he's the best HS hitter in the country 2009-2011.

Upon further investigation, it seems we're both wrong. I'm wrong about him being ineligible, you're wrong about the qualifications to make the team.

Q: How are players selected for the USA Baseball 18U National Team?

18U National Team: 1991 & 1992 Birthdates
Selection Vehicle (location): NTIS (Cary, N.C.) & Tournament of Stars (Cary, N.C.)
Dates: June 22-29, 2009
Contact E-mail (to nominate a player): Rick Riccobono

In order to try out for the 18U National Team, players must be nominated, selected and then compete in USA Baseball's annual Tournament of Stars (TOS) presented by Major League Baseball. The TOS is comprised of 144 players representing eight organizations (AABC, American Legion, Babe Ruth, Dixie, NABF, PONY, RBI and USA Baseball). Each participating organization, along with Ray Darwin, 18U National Team Director, hand-picks the players who will represent their respective organization in the TOS. Players are selected primarily on the recommendations of pro scouts, high school coaches and college recruiters.

During this week-long event, USA Baseball's Task Force (scouts) continuously evaluate each one of the 144 players and at week's end will select the best 34 players to attend the 18U National Team Trials. At the 18U Trials, those 34 players will participate in practices and intrasquad "Red vs. Blue" games to compete for one of the 18 roster spots on the final 18U National Team. In 2009, the 18U National Team will compete in COPABE's Pan Am "AAA" Junior Championships (site and dates TBD).

Harper was born in late 1992 I believe. So unless there is a cutoff they don't mention, he will be eligible. Still not a given he'll play though, as sometimes players choose not to play multiple years.[/quote:28finsjs]
Yeah alot of kids only do 1 year (Mychal Givens) and decide to stick with select even though USA will help them more towards being a better pro.[/quote:28finsjs]

Givens played on the '06 16U and '07 18U teams, but I believe both the guys in my sig played only one year. I'm hoping(for selfish reasons) for Harper to skip this year, then maybe play his junior year. I won't be too sad if he just skips both years though.