I guess an extra color in the patch means a lot......

[rymflaherty]

I've been checking the 5 star sales as I've been curious to see how the secondary market responds to the singles.
Anyone else catch the early Bradford sales...quite a difference in these two #'d 40

$1,100 Best Offer
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sam-Bradford-Rams-T ... 4aa8e93c2c

$542.00 Best Offer
http://cgi.ebay.com/Five-5-Star-SAM-BRA ... 41571b9b57

Wouldn't call the patch in the higher sale "amazing"....it has the third color blue and probably a nicer auto (fits better on the card).....but I probably would not have guessed it would get double. Or maybe the first seller simply sold too soon. Either way - thought it was interesting......and it will be interesting to see where others fall - if it is closer to $1,000 - than it's great for the product. If it closer to $500 - not so much.


One other thing I found interesting - Saw another Bradford sale - a base looking auto #'d 100. Noticed both that card and the patch/auto's I listed have the "RC" logo. Is that the "norm" now?
As you'd think one would be the "true rc" if we're making that distinction......and they looked to be two different cards. If anyone knew more about that I'd be interested in knowing if the patch/auto's are a parallel (even though they don't look it) or which is part of the base set, etc.

 

[mstng99tim]

I guess I'm just weird, but I don't care what is a "true rc", if it's a card during that players rookie year for cards, to me, that's a rc.

Baseball cards facked everything up and it trickled down to all sports with the "true rc" mentality.

 

[CollectorsCorner]

I care what a true rc is

 

[mstng99tim]

I care what a true rc is

As a businessman or as a collector...or both?

 

[CollectorsCorner]

Both. Though true rc's sell better than parallels for me in football

 

[masonphillip]

The colors do mean a lot...but they sold via best offers - more conducive to crazy sales than auctions are....so you have to take that into account too.

 

[Card Magnet]

I guess I'm just weird, but I don't care what is a "true rc", if it's a card during that players rookie year for cards, to me, that's a rc.

Baseball cards facked everything up and it trickled down to all sports with the "true rc" mentality.

I agree. If the guy is drafted in 2009, all cards from 2009 releases are rookies, period.

 

[JoshHamilton]

I guess I'm just weird, but I don't care what is a "true rc", if it's a card during that players rookie year for cards, to me, that's a rc.

Baseball cards facked everything up and it trickled down to all sports with the "true rc" mentality.

Rookie cards stopped being relevant when companies started producing 25 products every year. In the '50's, when there was only Topps and Bowman, rookie cards mattered. There were only 1-2 to choose from. They meant something. I'm sorry, but there's really no difference between one of the 382 '97 Jake Plummer cards and one of the 410 '98 Jake Plummer cards. If the Snake had only 6 '97 cards, that'd mean something.

And don't get me started on Beckett's retarded "RC" rules. They aren't gospel. They're a couple of fatass nerds who made up the rules 25 years ago.

The funniest example of how dumb Beckett and RC rules are happened a few years ago with '06 National Treasures. The auto/patch rookies /99 are inserts, but the auto/patch rookies /49 are RC's....because DLP announced those were the base RC's, even though Beckett always relies on their own set-in-stone definition, and rarely listens to what the companies say

Makes perfect sense

 

[rymflaherty]

Since everyone was commenting on the rookie card stuff....figured I'd throw out my .02.

I get considering all parallels as RC's......I think most collector's do the same. Especially when in many sets there are autograph parallels or refractor, mirror parallels that are more valuable than the base of the card which may be considered the "true RC".

That said - I'm not sure I often would think of the other sub-sets as "rc's". For instance, in past Exquisite or SPA releases there is clearly the rookie patch/auto (and a couple parallels) that are universally known as the "rc"......yet in both sets there are usually a couple sub-sets that may include the rookies - for the most part they do not carry the same value and don't seem to hold the same distinction.

 

[Gellman]

The only time a true RC should matter is when its a base card. Since football functions mostly on GU and AUTO, unlike baseball, it doesnt really matter.

Personally, I want to stick my hand in a blender every time someone starts arguing about true RCs. Its literally the most worthless discussion ever. You buy what you want to buy, ill buy what I want to buy. If it looks cool, I dont really care what "designation" it has. Coolness factor drives value for me more than anything. If you look at trends, that is probably the way things are headed, rather than some stupid value based derivative of a disconnected company in texas and their hat drawn prices.

 

[jbrown]

For those who care, the PAtch auto is #170 in the set, thus the true rc. The auto card #/100 has insert numbering like AUTO-SB. Hope this helps

 

[ricefan77]

I'm skeptical of that 1100 sale, never can tell if buyer decided not to pay or if it was his buddy trying to drive up the perceived value of the card. No idea. I sold a Colt Mcoy 5 star auto /100 last night that i listed at .99, it sold for like $66, it looks like last night the same card sold for $180 best offer. That's a huge difference, it wasn't jersey # or anything. Ebay auctions and buyers have been getting more erratic lately. i also sold a mark sanchez redemption booklet for $210, i was going to list is at 99.99 BIN/BO, but started it at .99 and let it go. I don't understand why someone would pay that much for a card that's not a rookie. There will be thousands of mark sanchez auto booklets made over the coming years and there will be no differentiation between them. Only his rookie year cards will matter, yet this card sold for more than his rookies sell for. yay for me i guess.

 

[rymflaherty]

For those who care, the PAtch auto is #170 in the set, thus the true rc. The auto card #/100 has insert numbering like AUTO-SB. Hope this helps

Thanks.

 

[jubei777]

going back to the original topic, after looking at the amount of "patch" auto rc's in the 5* set, it seems like over half have just jersey pieces inserted. i'll assume that any two color patches will carry a premium over one color patches or plain jersey pieces.

on a side note, is nobody breaking the product or keeping the hits? it seems like there's a ridiculously small amount of rookie auto's out on ebay compared to what i was expecting.

 

[jbrown]

going back to the original topic, after looking at the amount of "patch" auto rc's in the 5* set, it seems like over half have just jersey pieces inserted. i'll assume that any two color patches will carry a premium over one color patches or plain jersey pieces.

on a side note, is nobody breaking the product or keeping the hits? it seems like there's a ridiculously small amount of rookie auto's out on ebay compared to what i was expecting.

Opened my second case today and absolutely took a bath! Hit a dual tag patch auto #/4. Too bad it was Dwyer & Demarious Thomas