I know it's early but early predictions for NL MVP??

[Lancemountain]

[quote="kdailey4315":2cvssv4t][quote="aw00d05":2cvssv4t]Pujols is so far ahead that if he doesn't get hurt nobody else will be close. Wright is doing great for average but terrible power-wise.

Ibanez has numbers identical to Pujols. He's not that far ahead.

And he's missed how many games??

That doesn't matter. His numbers are almost identical to Pujols. That was my only point.

Protected by one of the most amazing lineups in baseball.

Protected by one of the most amazing lineups in baseball.

What are you talking about? Seriously?

He's not protected his protecting!

He's batting 5th, and has all year.

Being protected is batting between Utley and Howard.

He's batting after Howard protecting him and batting before Werth/Victorino/slumping Rollins/Feliz

Protected my arse.





IMO, the MVP is not an award given out to a future hall of famer because he's having a (another) great year like Pujols. Pujols is a better player, no dispute.

Without Ibanez, the Phillies would not be at the top of the NL east. He has had great power and that has seemed to always come in clutch situations. THAT, makes him the most valuable player to a team in the National League, the NL MVP.[/quote:2cvssv4t]

Would the Cardinals be competing for 1st place without Pujols? Without Pujols, the Cardinals are trash, without Ibanez the Phillies are the defending World Series champions, minus Burrell.[/quote:2cvssv4t]


My point is, if Pujols is the MVP, then get the Cards in first place. Because that's what Ibanez is doing right now, making his team a first place team. I won't bring up the fact that; the NL Central is weaker, and thus, if Pujols was more valuable to his respective team, they would, in fact, be in first right now. Not "competing."

IMHO

 

[craiger122003]

Pujols sorry
Ibanez has had at least some production behind i will take werth over any of the other cardinals 8 he has had some sort of threat behind him all year plus pitchers in the NL are still getting to know him
El Hombre has been here all along and is still doing his thing by himself

 

[KOBEARODLT]

[quote="aw00d05":27oxbg8c][quote="kdailey4315":27oxbg8c][quote="aw00d05":27oxbg8c]Pujols is so far ahead that if he doesn't get hurt nobody else will be close. Wright is doing great for average but terrible power-wise.

Ibanez has numbers identical to Pujols. He's not that far ahead.

And he's missed how many games??

That doesn't matter. His numbers are almost identical to Pujols. That was my only point.

Protected by one of the most amazing lineups in baseball.

Protected by one of the most amazing lineups in baseball.

What are you talking about? Seriously?

He's not protected his protecting!

He's batting 5th, and has all year.

Being protected is batting between Utley and Howard.

He's batting after Howard protecting him and batting before Werth/Victorino/slumping Rollins/Feliz

Protected my arse.





IMO, the MVP is not an award given out to a future hall of famer because he's having a (another) great year like Pujols. Pujols is a better player, no dispute.

Without Ibanez, the Phillies would not be at the top of the NL east. He has had great power and that has seemed to always come in clutch situations. THAT, makes him the most valuable player to a team in the National League, the NL MVP.[/quote:27oxbg8c]

Would the Cardinals be competing for 1st place without Pujols? Without Pujols, the Cardinals are trash, without Ibanez the Phillies are the defending World Series champions, minus Burrell.[/quote:27oxbg8c]


My point is, if Pujols is the MVP, then get the Cards in first place. Because that's what Ibanez is doing right now, making his team a first place team. I won't bring up the fact that; the NL Central is weaker, and thus, if Pujols was more valuable to his respective team, they would, in fact, be in first right now. Not "competing."

IMHO[/quote:27oxbg8c]

ibanez has an all star team surrounding him compared to pujols which is another reason i hate the reasoning of "he should get mvp because his teams in first"

 

[Brett Keith]

[quote="aw00d05":2pwqpwq2][quote="kdailey4315":2pwqpwq2][quote="aw00d05":2pwqpwq2]Pujols is so far ahead that if he doesn't get hurt nobody else will be close. Wright is doing great for average but terrible power-wise.

Ibanez has numbers identical to Pujols. He's not that far ahead.

And he's missed how many games??

That doesn't matter. His numbers are almost identical to Pujols. That was my only point.

Protected by one of the most amazing lineups in baseball.

Protected by one of the most amazing lineups in baseball.

What are you talking about? Seriously?

He's not protected his protecting!

He's batting 5th, and has all year.

Being protected is batting between Utley and Howard.

He's batting after Howard protecting him and batting before Werth/Victorino/slumping Rollins/Feliz

Protected my arse.





IMO, the MVP is not an award given out to a future hall of famer because he's having a (another) great year like Pujols. Pujols is a better player, no dispute.

Without Ibanez, the Phillies would not be at the top of the NL east. He has had great power and that has seemed to always come in clutch situations. THAT, makes him the most valuable player to a team in the National League, the NL MVP.[/quote:2pwqpwq2]

Would the Cardinals be competing for 1st place without Pujols? Without Pujols, the Cardinals are trash, without Ibanez the Phillies are the defending World Series champions, minus Burrell.[/quote:2pwqpwq2]


My point is, if Pujols is the MVP, then get the Cards in first place. Because that's what Ibanez is doing right now, making his team a first place team. I won't bring up the fact that; the NL Central is weaker, and thus, if Pujols was more valuable to his respective team, they would, in fact, be in first right now. Not "competing."

IMHO[/quote:2pwqpwq2]

So if the Cardinals reach 1st place your argument is moot? The MVP is an individual award, the award you get for your team finishing first is a pennant.

 

[Lancemountain]

[quote="Brett Keith":1hpj9s3w]

[quote="aw00d05":1hpj9s3w][quote="kdailey4315":1hpj9s3w][quote="aw00d05":1hpj9s3w]Pujols is so far ahead that if he doesn't get hurt nobody else will be close. Wright is doing great for average but terrible power-wise.

Ibanez has numbers identical to Pujols. He's not that far ahead.

And he's missed how many games??

That doesn't matter. His numbers are almost identical to Pujols. That was my only point.

Protected by one of the most amazing lineups in baseball.

Protected by one of the most amazing lineups in baseball.

What are you talking about? Seriously?

He's not protected his protecting!

He's batting 5th, and has all year.

Being protected is batting between Utley and Howard.

He's batting after Howard protecting him and batting before Werth/Victorino/slumping Rollins/Feliz

Protected my arse.





IMO, the MVP is not an award given out to a future hall of famer because he's having a (another) great year like Pujols. Pujols is a better player, no dispute.

Without Ibanez, the Phillies would not be at the top of the NL east. He has had great power and that has seemed to always come in clutch situations. THAT, makes him the most valuable player to a team in the National League, the NL MVP.[/quote:1hpj9s3w]

Would the Cardinals be competing for 1st place without Pujols? Without Pujols, the Cardinals are trash, without Ibanez the Phillies are the defending World Series champions, minus Burrell.[/quote:1hpj9s3w]


My point is, if Pujols is the MVP, then get the Cards in first place. Because that's what Ibanez is doing right now, making his team a first place team. I won't bring up the fact that; the NL Central is weaker, and thus, if Pujols was more valuable to his respective team, they would, in fact, be in first right now. Not "competing."

IMHO[/quote:1hpj9s3w]

So if the Cardinals reach 1st place your argument is moot? The MVP is an individual award, the award you get for your team finishing first is a pennant.[/quote:1hpj9s3w]


No, not at all. Please don't take my praise of Ibanez out of context. What I am saying is the MVP, the most valuable player to team makes the team better than it's worth.

Ibanez is making what should be a .500 club a 36-25 club. In a tougher division.

My point is he's is not being protected, but actually protecting that all star lineup everyone seems hell bent on using as a strike against him. Thus an exceptional asset and bat that has helped his team reach 1st place in the division.

What if Burrell was still a Phillie? Where would they be? What if they still lost Burrell and kept Jenkins and had a Victorino/Werth/Jenkins OF?

Pujols is playing like Pujols and it's awesome baseball. Ibanez is playing baseball that is more valuable to his team.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

[quote="Brett Keith":1w2nrv6y]

[quote="kdailey4315":1w2nrv6y][quote="aw00d05":1w2nrv6y][quote="kdailey4315":1w2nrv6y][quote="aw00d05":1w2nrv6y]Pujols is so far ahead that if he doesn't get hurt nobody else will be close. Wright is doing great for average but terrible power-wise.

Ibanez has numbers identical to Pujols. He's not that far ahead.

And he's missed how many games??

That doesn't matter. His numbers are almost identical to Pujols. That was my only point.

Protected by one of the most amazing lineups in baseball.

Protected by one of the most amazing lineups in baseball.

What are you talking about? Seriously?

He's not protected his protecting!

He's batting 5th, and has all year.

Being protected is batting between Utley and Howard.

He's batting after Howard protecting him and batting before Werth/Victorino/slumping Rollins/Feliz

Protected my arse.





IMO, the MVP is not an award given out to a future hall of famer because he's having a (another) great year like Pujols. Pujols is a better player, no dispute.

Without Ibanez, the Phillies would not be at the top of the NL east. He has had great power and that has seemed to always come in clutch situations. THAT, makes him the most valuable player to a team in the National League, the NL MVP.[/quote:1w2nrv6y]

Would the Cardinals be competing for 1st place without Pujols? Without Pujols, the Cardinals are trash, without Ibanez the Phillies are the defending World Series champions, minus Burrell.[/quote:1w2nrv6y]


My point is, if Pujols is the MVP, then get the Cards in first place. Because that's what Ibanez is doing right now, making his team a first place team. I won't bring up the fact that; the NL Central is weaker, and thus, if Pujols was more valuable to his respective team, they would, in fact, be in first right now. Not "competing."

IMHO[/quote:1w2nrv6y]

So if the Cardinals reach 1st place your argument is moot? The MVP is an individual award, the award you get for your team finishing first is a pennant.[/quote:1w2nrv6y]


No, not at all. Please don't take my praise of Ibanez out of context. What I am saying is the MVP, the most valuable player to team makes the team better than it's worth.

Ibanez is making what should be a .500 club a 36-25 club. In a tougher division.

My point is he's is not being protected, but actually protecting that all star lineup everyone seems hell bent on using as a strike against him. Thus an exceptional asset and bat that has helped his team reach 1st place in the division.

What if Burrell was still a Phillie? Where would they be? What if they still lost Burrell and kept Jenkins and had a Victorino/Werth/Jenkins OF?

Pujols is playing like Pujols and it's awesome baseball. Ibanez is playing baseball that is more valuable to his team.[/quote:1w2nrv6y]

couldnt disagree with you more, how in the world is ibanez playing baseball that is more valuable to his team...if it wasnt for pujols the cardinals wouldnt even be close to were they are now, and without ibanez phillies are not a 500 club im sorry, they didnt have ibanez last year and well....we all know what happened

 

[Lancemountain]

[quote="Brett Keith":3v6cnwrr]

[quote="ProspectorsAdvantage":3v6cnwrr][quote="kdailey4315":3v6cnwrr][quote="aw00d05":3v6cnwrr][quote="kdailey4315":3v6cnwrr][quote="aw00d05":3v6cnwrr]Pujols is so far ahead that if he doesn't get hurt nobody else will be close. Wright is doing great for average but terrible power-wise.

Ibanez has numbers identical to Pujols. He's not that far ahead.

And he's missed how many games??

That doesn't matter. His numbers are almost identical to Pujols. That was my only point.

Protected by one of the most amazing lineups in baseball.

Protected by one of the most amazing lineups in baseball.

What are you talking about? Seriously?

He's not protected his protecting!

He's batting 5th, and has all year.

Being protected is batting between Utley and Howard.

He's batting after Howard protecting him and batting before Werth/Victorino/slumping Rollins/Feliz

Protected my arse.





IMO, the MVP is not an award given out to a future hall of famer because he's having a (another) great year like Pujols. Pujols is a better player, no dispute.

Without Ibanez, the Phillies would not be at the top of the NL east. He has had great power and that has seemed to always come in clutch situations. THAT, makes him the most valuable player to a team in the National League, the NL MVP.[/quote:3v6cnwrr]

Would the Cardinals be competing for 1st place without Pujols? Without Pujols, the Cardinals are trash, without Ibanez the Phillies are the defending World Series champions, minus Burrell.[/quote:3v6cnwrr]


My point is, if Pujols is the MVP, then get the Cards in first place. Because that's what Ibanez is doing right now, making his team a first place team. I won't bring up the fact that; the NL Central is weaker, and thus, if Pujols was more valuable to his respective team, they would, in fact, be in first right now. Not "competing."

IMHO[/quote:3v6cnwrr]

So if the Cardinals reach 1st place your argument is moot? The MVP is an individual award, the award you get for your team finishing first is a pennant.[/quote:3v6cnwrr]


No, not at all. Please don't take my praise of Ibanez out of context. What I am saying is the MVP, the most valuable player to team makes the team better than it's worth.

Ibanez is making what should be a .500 club a 36-25 club. In a tougher division.

My point is he's is not being protected, but actually protecting that all star lineup everyone seems hell bent on using as a strike against him. Thus an exceptional asset and bat that has helped his team reach 1st place in the division.

What if Burrell was still a Phillie? Where would they be? What if they still lost Burrell and kept Jenkins and had a Victorino/Werth/Jenkins OF?

Pujols is playing like Pujols and it's awesome baseball. Ibanez is playing baseball that is more valuable to his team.[/quote:3v6cnwrr]

couldnt disagree with you more, how in the world is ibanez playing baseball that is more valuable to his team...if it wasnt for pujols the cardinals wouldnt even be close to were they are now, and without ibanez phillies are not a 500 club im sorry, they didnt have ibanez last year and well....we all know what happened[/quote:3v6cnwrr]



We do know what happened But, I would be remiss to throw out the opinion that without another Mets September disaster and a little luck going their way, they don't win the WS. I do not think the 08 Phillies were the best MLB team in 08. But they won :shock: :arrow: So I'm thankful for that

Ibanez is responsible, solely, for about 10 wins IMO, which would put the Phillies at about .500

 

[Lancemountain]

Damn that last post was a Vortex!

:lol:

 

[wolfmanalfredo]

Damn that last post was a Vortex!

:lol:

If by vortex you mean best post ever, then you're right!













...I didn't read the post so hopefully this applies here

 

[lordsepic]

Pujols is so far ahead that if he doesn't get hurt nobody else will be close. Wright is doing great for average but terrible power-wise.

Ibanez has numbers identical to Pujols. He's not that far ahead.

he is very far ahead... Ibanez will start to simmer very soon

Pujols 26 more walks 20 less strikeouts... on base is 60 points higher... not to mention he is on his usual pace... Ibanez is 37 and it hitting almost 40 points higher than he has in 8 years... it won't last...Pujols is on a tear and is 10 points below his career average and responsible for many wins

 

[trevordchi]

[quote="aw00d05":ztht11i3][quote="kdailey4315":ztht11i3][quote="aw00d05":ztht11i3]Pujols is so far ahead that if he doesn't get hurt nobody else will be close. Wright is doing great for average but terrible power-wise.

Ibanez has numbers identical to Pujols. He's not that far ahead.

And he's missed how many games??

That doesn't matter. His numbers are almost identical to Pujols. That was my only point.

Protected by one of the most amazing lineups in baseball.

Protected by one of the most amazing lineups in baseball.

What are you talking about? Seriously?

He's not protected his protecting!

He's batting 5th, and has all year.

Being protected is batting between Utley and Howard.

He's batting after Howard protecting him and batting before Werth/Victorino/slumping Rollins/Feliz

Protected my arse.





IMO, the MVP is not an award given out to a future hall of famer because he's having a (another) great year like Pujols. Pujols is a better player, no dispute.

Without Ibanez, the Phillies would not be at the top of the NL east. He has had great power and that has seemed to always come in clutch situations. THAT, makes him the most valuable player to a team in the National League, the NL MVP.[/quote:ztht11i3]

Would the Cardinals be competing for 1st place without Pujols? Without Pujols, the Cardinals are trash, without Ibanez the Phillies are the defending World Series champions, minus Burrell.[/quote:ztht11i3]


My point is, if Pujols is the MVP, then get the Cards in first place. Because that's what Ibanez is doing right now, making his team a first place team. I won't bring up the fact that; the NL Central is weaker, and thus, if Pujols was more valuable to his respective team, they would, in fact, be in first right now. Not "competing."

IMHO[/quote:ztht11i3]


You're tripping if you really think the NL Central is weak. The Astros are in last place and they are only 3 games under .500. 6 teams and the WORST is 3 games under .500. That is NOT a weak division.

My guess is that none of the above win (or Pooholes). No way Ibanez keeps it up for a whole year.

 

[rookieaddict]

Pujols goes out on the field everyday with a pitcher, Yadier Molina, and six guys who should still be in AAA.

 

[Uofo2212]

Pujols easily........Wright will surpass Ibanez by the end of the season.