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::facepalm::beefycheddar said:
Peyton Manning FTW!
elmalo said:
You say you are tired of hearing about velocity, I am tired of people saying Tim Lincecum is so good because of his delivery, or his strikeouts, or whatever. I think Lincecum is a great pitcher; however, I said I would take Kershaw over Lincecum and I have yet to read a response to my question. So is anybody can answer my question or are you guys going to keep obsessing over Lincecum?[/quote:26k8u8i3]
I responded, and I said I would take Lincecum. Im not going to waste my time showing you his every little stat compared to Kershaw. I think he is a better pitcher. Plain and simple.[/quote:26k8u8i3]
Right, but when I said I take Kershaw over Lincecum and responded with proof, you guys just got mad and said Lincecum is better. Whatever, though, you have your opinions, and I have mine.
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dutchj16 said:
You say you are tired of hearing about velocity, I am tired of people saying Tim Lincecum is so good because of his delivery, or his strikeouts, or whatever. I think Lincecum is a great pitcher; however, I said I would take Kershaw over Lincecum and I have yet to read a response to my question. So is anybody can answer my question or are you guys going to keep obsessing over Lincecum?[/quote:xprkvb3y]
I responded, and I said I would take Lincecum. Im not going to waste my time showing you his every little stat compared to Kershaw. I think he is a better pitcher. Plain and simple.[/quote:xprkvb3y]
Right, but when I said I take Kershaw over Lincecum and responded with proof, you guys just got mad and said Lincecum is better. Whatever, though, you have your opinions, and I have mine.[/quote:xprkvb3y]
Was Kershaw the best pitcher in the league during his first 2 full seasons? I think not! Plus you can't just look at one year, most players have an off year, look at Roy Halladay. I already pointed this out to you.
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dutchj16 said:
Lincecum's first 2 complete seasons were better than Kershaw's. Give it a rest. Kershaw is a great pitcher just not as good as Lincecum. All this talk about Lincecum's bad season is a joke. He had one bad month. If he doesn't have that bad month he's 19-7 and in the Cy Young discussion for the 3rd straight season. How many Cy Young awards Kershaw have? You're more obsessed with Lincecum's velocity and his "bad year" than anyone. You bring him up more than we do.
Yes ARod is a lot better than him. ARod had a down year this year and still had better stats. There is no comparison there. Beltre had a better year this year, but that is just this year.[/quote:1rpzs2mg]elmalo said:
How on earth has Arod been a lot better than him? Last year Arod hit 5 points higher than him and 3 home runs less. But then you would argue that he played in only 124 games versus Longoria's 157. I respond to that by saying Longoria had 27 more doubles than him and won a gold glove. To this year, Arod does have 8 more home runs. But Longoria is hitting 24 points higher and 17 more doubles. Not to mention, Arod has Cano hitting behind him and plays in that joke of a baseball park. Longoria had the choice of Pena, Joyce, Dan Johnson, or Baldelli hitting behind him this year and plays in a closed stadium where the baseball certainly doesn't fly. You also forget that Longoria is only 25 now, played this year at the age of 24, and Arod is 35. So again, how has Arod been better than Longoria?
kdailey4315 said:
Ok guys this is the last thing I am going to say. First off, if I am the one who is so obsessed how come you guys always seem to respond so quickly. Second of all, I just stated that we have our opinions, let that be that. Yet you guys flip out anytime someone mentions that your "ace" isn't as good as everybody says he is. The thread is for who would you rather start a franchise with, I take Kershaw over Lincecum any day. You argue Lincecum had a better first two years than Kershaw, yet this is true, but do I really have to remind you that at the age of 22, Lincecum wasn't even in the majors yet.
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Why are you bringing in age? What does that have to do with anything? Lincecum is a better pitcher, Kershaw is more of a thrower...dutchj16 said:
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Ok one more time then. The thread was for who would you rather have to start a franchise with. I would rather have Kershaw since he is 4 years younger and in my opinion just as if not almost as good as Lincecum. Yes, Kershaw has struggled with command yet he still had a sub 3.00 ERA for the second year in a row and he cut down on the walks this year. Walks is the only thing stopping him from being a top 5 pitcher in all of baseball in my opinion. So is he more of a thrower because he throws harder than Lincecum?
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Yes ARod is a lot better than him. ARod had a down year this year and still had better stats. There is no comparison there. Beltre had a better year this year, but that is just this year.[/quote:87l1lnbm]dutchj16 said:
How on earth has Arod been a lot better than him? Last year Arod hit 5 points higher than him and 3 home runs less. But then you would argue that he played in only 124 games versus Longoria's 157. I respond to that by saying Longoria had 27 more doubles than him and won a gold glove. To this year, Arod does have 8 more home runs. But Longoria is hitting 24 points higher and 17 more doubles. Not to mention, Arod has Cano hitting behind him and plays in that joke of a baseball park. Longoria had the choice of Pena, Joyce, Dan Johnson, or Baldelli hitting behind him this year and plays in a closed stadium where the baseball certainly doesn't fly. You also forget that Longoria is only 25 now, played this year at the age of 24, and Arod is 35. So again, how has Arod been better than Longoria?[/quote:87l1lnbm]
i dont normally agree with anything elmalo says but to be honest i dont see how longoria was better than arod this year...i mean like you said arod had 8 more hr's, 21 more rbi's and played in 14 less games... they have the same slugging and longoria had a better BA and OBP, one other thing about arod is that he is the most clutch hitter in the league...and the age thing really has no meaning in this argument, now if the question was who would you rather have for the future..obviously longoria since hes ten years younger but just taking one given year arod was better imo.
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Yes ARod is a lot better than him. ARod had a down year this year and still had better stats. There is no comparison there. Beltre had a better year this year, but that is just this year.[/quote:atn74x0d]KOBEARODLT said:
How on earth has Arod been a lot better than him? Last year Arod hit 5 points higher than him and 3 home runs less. But then you would argue that he played in only 124 games versus Longoria's 157. I respond to that by saying Longoria had 27 more doubles than him and won a gold glove. To this year, Arod does have 8 more home runs. But Longoria is hitting 24 points higher and 17 more doubles. Not to mention, Arod has Cano hitting behind him and plays in that joke of a baseball park. Longoria had the choice of Pena, Joyce, Dan Johnson, or Baldelli hitting behind him this year and plays in a closed stadium where the baseball certainly doesn't fly. You also forget that Longoria is only 25 now, played this year at the age of 24, and Arod is 35. So again, how has Arod been better than Longoria?[/quote:atn74x0d]
i dont normally agree with anything elmalo says but to be honest i dont see how longoria was better than arod this year...i mean like you said arod had 8 more hr's, 21 more rbi's and played in 14 less games... they have the same slugging and longoria had a better BA and OBP, one other thing about arod is that he is the most clutch hitter in the league...and the age thing really has no meaning in this argument, now if the question was who would you rather have for the future..obviously longoria since hes ten years younger but just taking one given year arod was better imo.[/quote:atn74x0d]
I too would take Longoria over ARod for the future. But if I needed one right now it would be ARod. Who also had a guy hitting infront of him with a hundred RBI's, so that takes away from his totals. As far as that park, Ive seen arod hit some bombs there.
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No, because he hasn't learned how to pitch yet, he hasn't learned finesse.dutchj16 said:
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For my pitcher I would pick the one and only Felix Hernandez.
Position player, Hanley Ramirez.
I think these two players have an excellent combination of youth and ability.
I think Robinson Cano is a pretty great choice. He's young and keeps getting better each season, who knows how good he'll be at the peak. I also think picking these NL pitchers is funny because, well, they pitch in the NL. :lol:
Position player, Hanley Ramirez.
I think these two players have an excellent combination of youth and ability.
I think Robinson Cano is a pretty great choice. He's young and keeps getting better each season, who knows how good he'll be at the peak. I also think picking these NL pitchers is funny because, well, they pitch in the NL. :lol:
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